Warsway

Just came back from an extended hiatus.

I've been spending my time learning the new (to me) incarnate system, getting my level shifts etc., but I'm almost ready to get back into PVP like the old days. The only toon i have close to ready is my Ill/rad troller.

Are they still formidable?

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See, that still doesn't answer my question.

If the "puppy" exploit was "so last year", then why the hysteria over it being closed down?

This thread alone has 250+ posts--and there are at least four threads on the Suggestions board--most of them whining by cheaters and exploiters that this one particular exploit got shut down.

As I said before, this level of hysteria, this volume of whining, would not happen if there were a reasonable alternative. People would move on to one of the other methods of cheating instead of screeching like harpies that this exploit got shut down.

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Exaggerate much?

lmao

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Go to your 4rth Chat Tab. Open it up....Edit it to only include broadcast and request. Never look at it.....unless you are in the market.

Sorry I can't censor the world for you. Others have the right to look for a team and transmit on those two channels. Sorry you are forced to share, but it is a MMORPG after all so either accept sharing or stop playing.

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How can something this clear, that makes this much sense, get missed by so many people?

No doubt it will, I would bet money this thread will go around the circle again. Poster #1 will post what idiots powerlevelers are, he will get owned in a logical argument by poster #2, poster #3 will make a generalization about poster #2 while not even having any clue about his habits/tendencies, poster #4 will point it out and reinforce the irrefutable logic of "minding your own business" and "playing your own game".

*sigh*

I don't know about you guys, but I'm done wasting my time in this thread.

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And get free xp for nothing in the process. I would like to do that too. Statesman, can you design the game so I can just log in and automatically get xp? That would make the game more fun, (right???) while eliminating all the hassle of forming a team and actually walking to the mission!

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To each his own. If I want to skip 2-3 lvls here and there, come back from house chores, etc. to see I have leveled once or twice, and then get excited about a new power I can get, that's my choice, my fun. OHH the joy.

By the way, smarta$$, I still have to form a team and "walk" to the mission.

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This part of your post doesn't help your argument.

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You apparently missed my argument, or the point of it, because the drivel you are spewing has nothing to do with the points I was trying to make. (Excuse me if I articulated them poorly.)

Just to sum it up and give you a refresher, try this....

1. I don't care how you play.
2. I don't care that they changed the wolf mission, I herd other things as well, and I happen to still have a wolf mission on one toon that I can still run all I want without a timer.
3. I am trying to explain that changes like this aren't going to stop pl'ing EVER. Only stopping sk'ing and forcing people to team with only 2-3 lvls above or below will.
4. No one should tell anyone else how to play, even the game devs. Once it comes off the shelf and I have bought it, it is now MINE. Of course, there is always that element of "courtesy". I am not one of the dreaded "broadcasters" that seem to annoy everyone so. Remember, courtesy is a two way street. I do my thing quietly out of everyone else's way.
5. Keeping pl'ers in missions is the smartest way to keep them out of public, if you make it tougher to herd in missions, people will be in the streets. Not to vindictively piss you off, but because they have nowhere else to go.

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So how are you seeing how your powers work if you are standing in the corner of a mish or doing your laundry?

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Who said pl'ing is ALL I do? Sometimes I play my lowbies, sometimes I help friends, sometimes I solo. Stop making generalizations, because you don't know me, my habits, or what other pl'ers are thinking/saying/doing.


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Some people posting here seem to think that the fun in the game is only in levelling.

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So what if they do? Why do you care? You will turn out to be one of those old ladies/old farts spying on neighbors with nothing else to do. Get your own life, stop worrying about everyone else.


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This may be why Statesman classifies herding as "unfun". His classification is debateable, but it seems to me that the process of wolf herding is only fun after it's done and you have new powers, but is no fun during, when you are just standing around, and this may be at the root of him thinking it's not fun to herd.

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I have plenty of fun sitting in a herding mission. I chat with SG mates and friends, I plan my build, I alt+tab out and read stupid posts by busybodies, and sometimes I do laundry. I have a good time. So don't tell me I don't. Again, it's not the only thing I do. Not even 1/4 of my time is spent there (killing or sitting).

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Yeah, I do the trade-off thing for my SG mates too. I don't see why you seem to think this helps your argument.


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I have an idea, why don't you tell me what my argument was? You seem to be very good at putting things in other people's mouths so far. Let's get a summary of my argument from YOUR point of view.

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If you've found better stuff to herd, why are you so broken up about this?

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Again you misunderstand. Most of us on the other side of the fence are just trying to tell you why that change is stupid, any herder has more than one trick in his/her bag.

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So you want others to mind their own business, but you have no qualms whatsoever about invading their business and hurting them? Very illuminating.

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You miss the point, if you mind your business in the first place, no one will have to street-herd. I will play the way I play either way. If you whiners force people like me into the streets, I laugh because you will have brought it upon yourselves, the irony of it is very amusing.


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This doesn't prove that you shouldn't be able to PL, just that the "mind your own business" and "I pay my money" arguments don't hold water.

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I'm sorry you see the world that way. It's unfortunate. Maybe you would like to go tell Donald Trump or Bill Gates that they have ruined society because they figured out a different way of doing things and took things out of balance. Maybe you would agree that they should distribute their moneys to lower class folks so that we are all the same.

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Don't get me wrong, I got my lvl 50 all the way up with no PL, and now I powerlevel my alts.

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lmao. Then you condemn everyone else for it. Nice. If you believed a shred of the horse**** you typed, you would be an upstanding member of the community and be a good example to the newbies/lowbies by stopping your CHEATING immediately.

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I plan to keep powerlevelling my alts with my SG until the rules change.

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And you tell me I defeated MY own argument? WOW


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What I don't get is people thinking this is a legitimate way of playing the game and that they DESERVE and DEMAND their opportunity to break or change the rules of the game to their liking.

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What rules were broken? We did a mission over and over. No different than the rest of the game. We just found a way to do it faster.

You get a little long-winded at the end of your post there, and so am I, so I'll try to make this short.

Life is unfair. Some people do things different. You can't demand everyone do things the same or give up their preferred methods to please everyone else. You can't demand a crying baby shut up in a restaurant, you can't demand someone chew their popcorn quieter in a theatre. Buck up and realize that other people do their thing too, and you won't stop them. Patience and tolerance are not only necessary in our society, but also MMORPG's too.

I find it amusing to watch you beat up on pl'ing through the first half of your post, then proceed to justify your own pl'ing towards the end. I feel like I just wasted 1/2 hour of my life even responding.

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This is not meant as a personal attack, but ... why bother?

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Why does anyone bother telling us how we should be playing? You admit yourself you've never really experienced the late game.

I'll tell you why I bother. I have played all the way up natural, and I have done my share of pl'ing too. My ultimate goal is to try every power set on every AT with every combo, to see which is most enjoyable and effective for me. Killing hellions over and over and watching my character run (slowly) back and forth to contacts, missions, etc. is no longer "fun" for me. I prefer to skip at least til I get a travel power. Been there done that, probably 15-20 times or more.

Stop trying to tell me that I'm an idiot or I don't care about content etc., or whatever your holier-than-thou argument is, I don't care how you play, why do you care how I do?

Look, this game is all about repetition. Doesn't matter if you are herding wolves or street sweeping, hazard zones or door missions. You are going to do the same thing over and over. Rewards in this game are new powers and levels. The excitement of planning and choosing new powers AND THEN SEEING HOW THEY WORK is my fun. I want the option of doing it how I wish, not how statesman says so.

I like the option of grouping with friends and standing around and BSing while getting exp, it can be a social thing. Or maybe I want to get in the herding mission, stand in a safe place, and go throw a load of laundry in. Make dinner.

Maybe the next night *I* will be the one doing the herding/killing for other friends. We enjoy it.

And to whoever above was complaining about how the roles have reversed and the pl'ers are now the whiners. We are just trying to tell you we won't stop. Most of us have found better persons/places/things to herd anyway. When all else fails, we will herd in the streets. You think a few tells and broadcasts bug you? haha

Don't [censored] in your own watering hole.

Mind your own business people.

I will never understand why some people insist on everyone else doing things their way.

I would be willing to bet some of the "wolf mission whiners" are the same people who would insist on everyone driving hybrid cars, no more SUVs, insist on taking guns away, they don't agree they can be "fun" or useful, or insist on banning smoking from bars or private clubs, even though they may never even go there and anyone who does is perfectly aware of the dangers.

Let people do their thing, and you do yours.

One poster wants to paint the pl'ing community with a pretty wide brush. I would just remind you that there are a wide range of reasons why people do what they do, and a wide spectrum of people who do them.

I hate to beat a dead horse, it's been repeated often here, but it won't stop. Any changes similar to this are only going to inconvenience the casual gamers.

I don't know what advice I could give the poor souls who put themselves through aggravation because of the way someone else plays their game. You can't change people or force them to like your playstyle, I don't care WHAT you do. Maybe try these.....
1. Join a supergroup that is only into the things YOU are into.
2. As suggested above, edit your chat tab and take out broadcast and /tells, only seeing team messages and SG chat.
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3. Next time you see a /tell or broadcast for it, give yourself a giggle and shake your head and think to yourself "what are they thinking?" But then shut up about it.

Hmm, anyone wanna herd some bums?