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My version of Dr. Strange is a Grav/Rad Controller, and is pretty decent, though slow. Lots of pool powers, too. I have often considered going with a Defender, probably including a Dark powerset, but haven't tried it. Either way, it's not going to be exactly right, but I think we agree there.

To clarify my tally, I counted those that said they disagreed as being diesagreeing, and those that agreed as agreeing.

Those that said they agreed, but within a certain range of levels, or under some conditions, I counted as agreeing because they're agreeing there's a problem with endurance, just under some specific circustances. I'm not trying to mislead or "lie." Those kinds of posts are offering agreement, though limited. Another way to look at it is whether people are agreeing or disagreeing with my suggestion that there be a reclibration. Either way, it is not my intent to misrepresent anyone's opinion. If I have done so I do sincerely apologize.

Those I couldn't discern an opinion from I didn't count. That included, Tyrannus, Mr. Body, that guy posting pictures and not saying anything, and so on. Those that merely defended me, but not my position, were not counted either.


I consider the forums to be the only sample I have available, and so I must regard it as representative to some degree. It may or may not be so, but I have little other resource available to me.

The tally doesn't inclue those that silently disagreed, but neither does it include those that silently agreed. The frame of reference is the population that posted in the thread over 10 pages.

While I would not think it a bad thing if everyone could be a "tankmage," that's not what I'm asking for, and that's not what this thread is about.

Well, after a little tally (ignoring distinctions such as level range), I count 26 people that agree that there may be an issue to look at, and 26 that disagree.

50%. Is that an insignificant number?

Sigh. I wasn't about to go into a detailed review of every character I have, there are a great many of them.

Do all of them have endurance issues all the time? For the most part, yes. My Claws/Regen Scrapper doesn't have nearly the trouble my Mace Tankers do. Does that mean there's no problem? Of course not, it means that power set is more endurance efficient, which may be part of the problem.

I'm speaking in generalities.

The thing is, it's not the builds. This is an experience I have across all of my characters. Yes, playstyle does figure into it, but it seems to me that one of the main factors eating into my enjoyment of the game is this problem of endurance.

Yes, I pace my attacks. Yes, I slot for endurance. Yes, I use Inspirations.

Pacing my attacks means I'm standing around getting pummelled when I could be fighting back, which isn't much fun. It's just frustrating.

I've slotted for endurance, yet I still have this issue to an excessive degree, in my opinion. To slot any more for endurance would diminish performance in other ways.

Inspirations run out.

As I say, it seems to be a pervasive problem. As Uberguy says, it's far from the only issue, and it may be more complex than I'm making out, but I think my suggestion that endurance use be recalibrated so it's less onerous would still improve the game experience for me, and for a lot of people who feel as I do.

(And as I say, the point of the thread was to see if there ARE a lot of people who feel as I do.)

The idea that something would be designed not to be fun is what baffles me. I can see the gathering quests in most MMOs being tedious, but I can also see them being entertaining so some people. It gets you out into the world, exploring and seeing new stuff. Anyway, kind of off topic.

Everyone has access to everything, but not equal access. You obviously offered the hockey analogy so you you could shoot it down. Straw Man. So, let's get back to CoH. Endurance use is not equal. Defenders use the same endurance for their Energy Blasts as Blasters, but do half the damage. Thus, they use twice the endurance defeating the same foes. That's not equality.

I haven't suggested anything radical. I haven't suggested changing anything except endurance.

Well, since I'm ignoring Talen, I can't tell if he's being constructive or just attacking me as usual.

Actually, SinisterDirge, I'm all or equality. Personally, I like a level playing field. I'd LOVE it if everyone had access to everything because everything was the same. If this were so, then it would be skill and cunning that would win. However, I'm not suggesting anything so radical, though you seem to be implying I am. All I've said is endurance should be recalibrated. From the reaction, you'd think I was suggesting destroying everything.

I play Hockey. I'm a goalie. I have exactly the same equipment and team composition going for me that my opponent does. It's down to skill. I'm not required to give up my stick and pads after facing the first 10 shots, and the other team doesn't get to have 20 players on the ice. That's the kind of thing I see in CoH.

The checkers analogy is similar. Both players have the same pieces with the same abilities. It's down to skill and cunning.

I've said before, it's not about my personal builds (plural, since I'm not referring to just one character or AT). Endurance use is excessive FOR EVERYONE. My opinion, of course. It does seem to me, however, that if everything were as rosy and dandy as you are making out, there wouldn't be any threads like this, by me or the many others who have made the same observation.

Of course, the real danger is the silent many that just quit without telling us they found it not fun gasping for breath all the time. The game can't afford to lose any more players, especially new ones.

Bill, Bill, Bill.
I've never been hostile toward you, and Ive always tried to be respectful in my discussions, yet you insist on being hostile and insulting. I don't understand that, you seem to have the ability to reason.

1. APPARENTLY, you have think you have some mystical insight into my thoughts. I thought I was clear, I find it tedious constantly fighting the endurance costs on my characters. THAT is what I don't find fun. It has nothing to do with whether I "get my way."
2. This is all you needed to say. If you're fine with it, great. That's your choice. I'm not, and I wanted to see who agreed and disagreed.
3. I'm trying to get more playability out of ALL the classes. I suppose in that sense, the thread is related to my other threads on similar topics. Calling me a liar is just hostile. You're simply trying to provoke me. There's a name for that.

I find it sad that people would encourage other players to quit. From what I've seen, the game needs to hang on to its players. I've seen a grand total of 5 other characters in the last couple of weeks, on several servers. We can't afford to lose anyone else.

Gavin, I have avoided suggesting actual numbers since I haven't done any of the math involved, but I think I would start by equalizing things across the ATs. Attack powers in particular should be using an amount of endurance relative to their damage output. More damage=more endurance. That way, lower damage characters don't start with the dual disadvantage of less damage and less endurance (since they use more doing the same overall damage). After that, a global increase of some degree. I don't think it needs to be drastic, your numbers may be fine.

Bill, simply dismissing anyone that disagrees with you is insulting and very poor argument. You do nothing to strengthen your position by simply attacking the posters instead of the posts.

I've made several characters based on comic heroes, but some just can't be done. I mean, Superman, Batman, Hulk and so on are pretty straightforward, but even then there are limits (such as Batman's vehicles and detective skills or Wolverine's senses). Others are darn near impossible (Iron Man leaps to mind...).

Basically, you can get heroes that bear a passing resemblance but they're never quite right.

Dechs, you're being facetious at my expense despite the fact that this subject been brought up many times by many others. I have not made any ridiculous claim that I want endurance removed or the power to do anything, and defeat any foe. That straw man won't burn, I'm afraid. All I've said is that endurance costs are excessive and need a recalibration.

BillZ, I don't care if I have your respect or tolerance if you refuse to have an open mind, and if you insist on denigrating me at every opportunity. You call me a liar and an idiot and expect me to treat your comments with any regard? The fact is, I do. I consider EVERYONE'S comments (that relate to the topic). It's too bad having respect and an open mind is so difficult for some people.

That said, you don't seem to disagree with my point, that endurance could use an recalibration, though you seem to be restricting it more to lower levels. Also, that you don't play nearly half the ATs because they're not fun suggests to me that there's a problem. Of course, you don't mention whether that's because of endurance issues.

Uberguy, that I've made SOME concept builds doesn't mean that's ALL I've made. I have many characters who are pretty vanilla, as far as builds go. The problem I have isn't that you can't compensate for the endurance issue, it's that doing so undercuts the entertainment value of the game too much. I mean, what's more fun, blasting the bad guys or NOT blasting the bad guys because you don't have enough endurance?

I have to bring up the personal slights a lot because so many people use them as their main method of "discussion." I mean, I've been called a liar and an idiot in this thread alone. I hate to have to do it, but I find it very difficult to let people insult me without comment.

I agree, the question of whether something should be done is really part of why I started this thread. It seems to me if people are dissatisfied with an aspect of the game, that it's diminishing their enjoyment of the game, then something should be done. As I say, I'm trying to see if that's the case. Obviously I think so. I'm just looking to see how many agree and how many disagree.

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