TwoHeadedBoy
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Quote:So what is the alternative? Intentionally not playing the most advantageous characters? So I should spend time and in game resources playing and developing characters and builds that I know for a fact will not perform as well as others? I see nothing logical about this.Originally Posted by Hopeling
Yeah, winning by playing only the most advantageous characters.
Congratulations; you took the biggest handicap the game will allow, and you won, whatever that means. Me, I'd call restricting yourself to a tiny subset of the game's possibilities in a game that is valued for its breadth of possibilities "losing". -
GG is demonstrating how infantile she is to a large enough extent that I just want her to keep going and further discredit any semblance of credibility she ever might have had.
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Quote:Seriously, grow up and drop the insults. Adults are talking.Originally Posted by Golden Girl
Not everyone is prepared to lower their standards - some people would rather aim for the stars than crawl around in a cel-shaded sewer.
Uh.. Yeah. Besides the other two. Sure.Quote:Originally Posted by Golden Girl
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Quote:Originally Posted by Evil_Legacy
I thought everyone is entitled to their opinion.
In situations like this, some people may be viewed as over optimistic and believing in a miracle by some. While some people may be viewed as...not sure of proper word...but wrong when they state they not as enthused or believe as much as said miracle happening.
It shouldnt have to be an "us vs. them". Or "Im right and you're wrong" situation.
There has been a lot of jumping on someone case for someone even just merely mentioning that COH just might not make it beyond Nov 30th. The sad parts that I think some people may not realize is that COH MIGHT not make it beyond Nov 30th. At the same time, it might just make it after Nov 30th. And stating side, whether it's based on optimistic hope, or "realistic" "it is not being saved", and neither one is toxic. It's not like NCSoft did not say they was planning on ending this game and Paragon studio so I think, realistically, they may stick to their word with the possibility that this may the last we see COX once Nov 30 rolls around. There is nothing toxic about stating what NCSoft posted, said, and might and or likely to happen or not likely to happen. It's just a different view and a different way of looking at the situation.
Insulting a game that a player may or may not end up running to in the end, is not a very good look especially when they been very welcoming to people who is looking for a super hero MMO game to play. For all the crap some of these players here talk about CO, and some of those same crap talkers about already transferred over to the same game that just a few months ago they was downing worse than a mangy dog, is not a good look. The CO community could have just sat back and laughed and said good riddance as a whole, but they didnt. I hope some of these truly toxic attitudes do not transfer over to CO or any other game and poison their well.
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Quote:What is terrible about intentionally playing the most advantageous character? That sounds like winning to me. Are you one of those people who picks the worst character in fighting games and then whines when they get the hell beaten out of them and blames character selection for it? And who said anything about "least restrictive circumstances?"Originally Posted by Hopeling
See, I'd have named "avoiding everything except the strongest powerset combinations, with the highest-end builds, under the least restrictive circumstances" as the mark of a terrible player, not a skilled one. But YMMV I guess.
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Quote:You're the thread jacker here dude.Originally Posted by Captain-Electric
"TwoHeadedBoy", if you want to talk, let's talk. If you want to help, then help.
But if you want to call this fight a lost cause, if you want to waste our time putting our effort down, then, well, you should actually probably just stop. You're wasting your time.
I think your effort is a wonderful, well-meaning gesture, but ultimately a waste of time. You don't have to agree with my perspective. I think you're free to keep trying, and I think it will be an exercise in futility. You don't have to agree with me. But you don't see me going into TonyV's thread saying this. I'm posting my opinions in my thread, as well as highlighting what's personally important to me. So I suggest that you do the same, instead of trying to shove your wee little #OccupyCOH rhetoric down my throat.
What I think could be ultimately beneficial to all of us is if we try to get our awesome former dev's hired at Cryptic, which is the logical destination for the COH community- With the added incentive of Golden Girl not being there. -
Quote:If my attitude was different, I wouldn't be me. Lots of people like me because of my attitude, thank you very much. And maybe this is just how I talk. Do you have a problem with my demeanor? You don't see me making fun of your demeanor. Who's the jerk now? Jerk.Originally Posted by rian_frostdrake
You come in with your attitude and wonder why you dont get good responses? You could be offering free 20 dollar bills, but with your attitude, who would bother with you? back up the 20% and 10% numbers please, thanks
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As much as I love arguing with some of you (none of whom are posting in this thread) did you really have to do this here?
Now this whole thread is about whether or not a rogue group making up about 20% of the active forum population which makes up about 10% of the in game population which makes up about 3% of NCSoft's profits can somehow save COH after all of its staff has been fired and has begun proactively seeking work elsewhere.
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Quote:un·e·quiv·o·cal/ˌəniˈkwivəkəl/Originally Posted by Arcanaville
Yes, unequivocal, from the latin un-equi-vocal meaning to speak from back end of horse.
Adjective: Leaving no doubt; unambiguous: "an unequivocal answer".
Arcanaville: Unable to tell a horse's *** from unambiguity since 9/20/12 at 12:34 AM! -
Quote:Originally Posted by Captain-Electric
Sure, here.
Actually, no. Listen.Quote:Originally Posted by Captain-Electric
But I'm not going to tell you to screw off. We need you beside us right now. Badly, desperately. Not because the weather's fine, not because we know what the odds are (besides knowing they've been stacked against us from the beginning, anyway), but because it's hopeless and terrible. The best communities pull through dark hours together or fail trying--together.
We can finish this conversation tomorrow, after you've had time to sleep on this and let your anger (or whatever it is you're feeling) subside. I can't get entangled in forum arguments and then turn around and say I take the SaveCoH effort seriously. This is a time-sensitive effort.
You're not doing anything but copying and pasting paragraphs that everyone involved in this discussion has already seen. Why do you insist on me repeating myself for the third time? I guess in order to converse with you, I need to follow your copy/paste format. Maybe redundancy is your vernacular.
*dramatic movie applause after dramatic movie speech, wee*Quote:Originally Posted by Captain-Electric
But I'm not going to tell you to screw off. We need you beside us right now. Badly, desperately. Not because the weather's fine, not because we know what the odds are (besides knowing they've been stacked against us from the beginning, anyway), but because it's hopeless and terrible. The best communities pull through dark hours together or fail trying--together.
Meanwhile, in the halls of logic...
Quote:Originally Posted by TwoHeadedBoy
So.. Negotiations are in process. With a company that laid off its dev staff already, that was working on an 8 year old game that made up, what, 3% of its profit? But it's ok, because some science fiction authors I've never heard of are sympathetic?
And so, because of that, we should be assuming that our dev's will be magically re-hired, after the company that swatted them away like flies, who has a long history of killing MMO's, will somehow magically enter negotiations to sell an MMO that is worth essentially nothing to them... And most importantly, that we as a community should just assume, that by some miracle, another company will choose to buy an MMO, and then pinpoint every single member of its staff... And that this entire elaborate process will happen before any of them get sub-par jobs elsewhere?
Really? This is the plan?
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Quote:I never said CO was doing financially better before COH was cancelled. I don't know if they're doing financially better. Before you accuse me of being 'factually incorrect,' you might start by checking what I've said. I said CO is doing better. Whether they're more profitable or not is immaterial- Their existence isn't being negated. Nothing makes a profit when it doesn't exist, and I'm pretty sure that whatever CO is making after Nov. 30th will be more than what COH is making after Nov. 30th. And even from now until then, since all payments on COH have been suspended. How much do you think COH is making now, when it won't even let me buy stuff or pay my sub fee...? Existing and continuing service is a pretty significant advantage.Originally Posted by rian_frostdrake
it is factually incorrect that Co was doing better financially because co was picked up by pwi . CO got lucky, coh has not..yet.
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Quote:lol, wut? It's factually incorrect that COH is closing and Champions Online isn't? Please... Tell me more.Originally Posted by rian_frostdrake
The statement was still factually incorrect. And you really aren't one to call out attitudes.(to thb, not cap)
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Quote:Alright. So.. The last part of your post isn't meshing with the first part. To what chorus should I be contributing? Are you angry because I'm singing off key?Originally Posted by Captain-Electric
This is some of the worst, most toxic garbage I've read by a single forum poster in my three years here. No one is ignoring you (well, now I'm sure some will be). There are a LOT of people trying to help get one important message across right now. The point isn't to be specially recognized for your voice, it's to add your voice to a chorus.
What was 'toxic' about anything I said? I would sincerely and legitimately like your input.
Because I just listed off all of the movements for COH that I've proactively, gone out of my way to support in my quote you just cited.
I'm currently supporting COH by proposing that we encourage another studio to hire our dev's.
And yet, you call me toxic?
For what, not thinking that it's practical to save COH?
Sorry, but that's just the truth of my opinion. I should be ostracized now, for being a realist? -
Quote:Originally Posted by rian_frostdrake
reign in yourself there cowboy, you know very well that CO was in a very similar situation when atari got rid of them last year. It is not about who is doing better, it is about who has a publisher that is willing to accept a game's performance. You know very well that had pwi not stepped in, co would be just as dead months ago.
I made that comment to hopefully instill some perspective in one individual (who the comment was solely addressing) with an uncalled for attitude problem. -
Quote:You're so freaking obnoxious, I swear to god. Let me speak candidly for a minute. You're insulting another game that is clearly doing better than this one, since it isn't being shut down. And their devs and players are being nice to us. I know that you have a big presence in our community, and it's the reason why I care when you act like a retard.Originally Posted by Golden Girl
CoH is worth the effort, trash like CO isn't - that's why we're still here.
You are not a good representative of the COH community. Here's why.
1.) We don't insult other communities and games that are nice to us when our game is closing. We aren't all douchebags like you.
2.) You don't offer anything of value to COH as a whole, and you never have. I never see you posting in forums that are actually relevant to gameplay. All I've ever seen you do is trash Villain content, post
faces and generally walk around like you own the place.
I'm a condescending jerk in my own right, but at least when I'm condescending, it's contextually relevant to something relating to the game. I'm a jerk when I talk about playstyles and build philosophies that I spend a lot of time on, not to mention the time I spend on collecting what I need for builds in game. You act like a queen without ever demonstrating any actual knowledge of game mechanics whatsoever. But you drew a comic once. And you're a girl. So that makes you special. -
Quote:Originally Posted by Golden Girl
Getting the devs' names right would probably be a good first step for your plan.
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Quote:Originally Posted by Captain-Electric
Your belittling comments here toward the SaveCoH effort are not going to steer either the community, the gaming press, celebrities or any industry veterans, former Paragon Studios devs or negotiators toward rallying behind you. This isn't me being a jerk. It's just me being frank (I have stuff to do). We'll get to "your idea". It's on the list.
There are reasons why the case of this MMO shutting down in particular is a big deal within and outside the industry.
I noticed you signed the petition, and put the word out on some Facebook pages. Great! But you're not done yet! Be sure to send an email to NCSoft, buy a mask and cape or print out a mask and send it to NCSoft, be sure to play the game, hit the Flashmobs and rallying events, keep an eye on the Titan Network's Calls to Action, watch the Events Calendar, write a handwritten, certified letter to NCSoft, and copy/paste any polite, reasonable letters/emails you've sent in comments sections beneath articles on news sites all around the web.
Haha, I don't want people to 'rally' behind me. And in case you haven't noticed, being lightheartedly alienating is kind of my shtick.
The worst part about being me is that when I say sincere stuff, people conveniently ignore me. I know "TonyV is doing lots of stuff." You could've just said that. Every COH player has seen those incessant, futile and well intentioned threads by now. Jeez.
I pointed out that I signed the petition. I pointed out that I liked the Facebook pages and even contributed a good amount of rally screenshots. I pointed out that I recommended the iCNN articles. I thought it was awesome that Felicia Day tweeted that it was sad to watch us as members of our community tried to save the game.
Look, I know you just want to somehow magically save COH. And I can see that lots of people still think that our game can be preserved. But it can't be, and that's just the truth of the matter. Best practical case scenario, TonyV and his team copy over enough data to make a private server. There will be no professional dev's. There will be no real progress. It will probably be copyright infringement that can be shut down at any time. Do you really want to invest time or money into something illegal? It won't be above board at all. -
Quote:That must be it! Good job, you figured it out. Please accept your prize with humility and move along.Originally Posted by Garent
I think you're mistaken due to being somewhat autistic. .
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Quote:What about the newer people who have still been doing an awesome job and weren't around for the Cryptic days? Arbiter Hawk is the perfect example.Originally Posted by shadow35
Yeah, definitely this. I mean, most of them were part of Cryptic at one time. I'm sure they know they're there if all else fails. But let's hope to God it doesn't come to that.
Sure they are! This is in no way an insult to their competence- It's a glowing recommendation.Quote:I think Paragon Studios are perfectly capable of speaking for themselves and knowing where they want to go or stay, to be honest. -
Quote:Originally Posted by Dr_Darkspeed
Actually, one of the side benefits of all the Save CoH stuff is: even if it doesn't work, the game itself is getting more exposure. Its been trending on Twitter, got stories on gaming siites etc... All of this raises the profile of the game, and thus, the people who worked on it. It might not be much, but it could just give them an edge when it comes to hiring. Out of two people, with the same qualifications, if one helped make a game where the playerbase cared enough to buy the devs dinner when they heard they were out of a job, you might just go for that one.
Oh I know. I'm all about that- I signed the petition, contributed a bunch of pictures to one of the Facebook pages, recommended the iCNN articles, etc. It's great to see the support for a game that I love on a sentimental level, but from a practical perspective, NCSoft is not going to sell COH. If it does, by some miracle, I severely doubt that whoever buys it will keep our Dev staff in tact or follow their vision. If it doesn't, "SaveCOH" will be embodied as a shoddy private server at the very best. None of these scenarios help our dev's. My idea does. -
Quote:Originally Posted by Dr_Darkspeed
Even if they did end up working for Cryptic (which I hope some of them end up doing, I hope they all end up with great jobs), there no gaurentee (in fact, its probably not likely given the apparent rate of updates for it) that they would be working on anything to do with CO. More likely Neverwinter (AKA Generic Fantasy MMO) or whatever Cryptic's other project is.
That's the case right now, sure, but with a large enough in-pour of migrating COH players, presumably after our servers down, the value of the Champions IP might increase considerably for them. -
Quote:Originally Posted by RosaQuartz
It's no more or less practical than... what are you trying to do? Get Cryptic to hire them to work on CO?
I'd rather see them work on a new project that I could someday maybe seeing myself playing.
Cryptic is a gaming studio that exists currently. They have a very similar IP. Their community manager has created a sticky thread for our players. BaB is a current Cryptic dev, and has posted on our forums saying that Cryptic is very sympathetic towards COH players and dev's alike.
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So.. Negotiations are in process. With a company that laid off its dev staff already, that was working on an 8 year old game that made up, what, 3% of its profit? But it's ok, because some science fiction authors I've never heard of are sympathetic?
And so, because of that, we should be assuming that our dev's will be magically re-hired, after the company that swatted them away like flies, who has a long history of killing MMO's, will somehow magically enter negotiations to sell an MMO that is worth essentially nothing to them... And most importantly, that we as a community should just assume, that by some miracle, another company will choose to buy an MMO, and then pinpoint every single member of its staff... And that this entire elaborate process will happen before any of them get sub-par jobs elsewhere?
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Quote:AF: Now paying a sub fee to read my 'discussions!'Originally Posted by Another_Fan
The discussion ? Ehh not so much. Watching how the sides are shaping up and the patterns of attack and defense, that's like looking at a grain of sand and seeing all the world* mirrored in it.
*Well at least all the issues that lead up to that steep decline in subs when the rest of the industry was growing.
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Yeah... Honestly, while I love you all as a community- Don't get me wrong- I do not consider the effort to 'save' COH to be the least bit practical.
I think the best productive and practical thing we can do is encourage Cryptic to hire our dev's before they all find other jobs. Probably to go work on generic fantasy MMO's, which would be a giant shame.