TimTheEnchanter

Simple question here... do you despise hope?

I've already stated in this thread that I think the artistic content stands a much better chance at impeding the completion of Plan Z than the programming does. Physics isn't all that bad. And collisions... I don't even know if they plan on having them. Numerous MMO's don't bother with body collision. And they may or may not license an existing engine to take care of a lot of the busy work. But the body models, the costume pieces, animations, map assets, MOB/NPC's... oh my...

Which last clip are you talking about and in which video? I need something a little more specific.

Three times now.

And another tabloid move. You know exactly who I was talking about, and it wasn't the Titan folk.

Except you're not attacking Plan Z here. You're attacking the devs. There's nothing constructive about the name-calling. And tbh, even if the allegations of religious zealotry were accurate, that would still have no bearing on whether or not the project can succeed. Zealotry has given people the strength to win wars against insurmountable odds. And, for a non-profit project, what more can you expect people to do? If you're making a game, you either do it for profit, or you do it because you believe in it (or both if you're really lucky). In a non-profit scenario, faith is really the only thing that developers have to carry them through the insanely long, boring, and grueling process of making a functional game.

If you want to pick fights with folks from Titan who have been being jerks, there are far better threads suited for that. Certainly not this one. For whatever has been going on elsewhere that I've missed out on though, and anything I've said that was over-the-top, you have my apologies. But I at least TRY to keep my mud-slinging to a minimum. I'm pretty sure the most offensive thing I've regularly thrown around is "robot."

And in case anyone has been wondering, I'm not on the Plan Z team.

As one of the people who agrees with NCsoft's decision to get rid of a game that was profiting, you're only making yourself look like a hypocrite.

And all those millions are doing wonders for NC's stocks.

And continued to ignore it.

Thank you for your continued devotion to your tabloid reporting.

Calling ANY MMO a success in the amount of time GW2 has been out is for consumer zealots and corporate execs trying to lure in investors.

The OP asked what Plan Z is. The OP did not ask, "Are the people behind Plan Z mentally unstable nutjobs?" But 90% of this thread has been about the latter.

Don't go hitting people and then cry victim when they hit back.

And conveniently ignored my followup to that post. Further convincing me the metaphor was intentionally ignored so it could be used it to say that Titan is becoming a religious cult.

I think now is a good time to sit back for a moment, and think about SWTOR, a couple months after its massive sales.

Metaphors seem way too easily lost among the naysayers on this forum. Far more than any other forum I've ever been on, and this includes hot-headed political arguments. It perplexes me how or why this is happening.

Emotions clouding your judgement perhaps and giving you an intense desire to paint the unwavering as psychotic god-warriors on a self-righteous crusade to wipe out the infidels?

Need a non-religious example instead? Would you have responded any differently if I had used Columbus as an example? Or Copernicus? Countless pioneers have endured the kind of ridicule that is being dished out in this thread.

But no no, I'm not trying to say that Plan Z is as important as proving to the world that the Earth orbits the sun, or saving people from a flood. What I'm trying to say though, is that negative reinforcement from society seldom has ANYTHING to do with whether the idea is feasible or not. The guy who first thought up the idea of continental drift got just as much flak for it as the guy who jumped off a bridge flapping his arms with paper wings attached. That one idea was right and the other doomed to fail had zero impact on the living hell that society put those people through.

Social negative reinforcement is absolutely HORRID at telling an individual whether their idea is good or not. Ridicule is largely fueled not by whether the idea may be wrong or can't succeed, but only whether the idea it is different from the acceptable norm. That the ones doing the heckling are usually doing so merely for entertainment doesn't help either. Humans seem to automatically make a connection between 'different' and 'failure', despite the fact that doing something different is the only way that society can ever advance. Therefore, unless ridicule somehow departs from our society, or changes into something with more logical bias, 'insane faith' in oneself is needed to keep us moving forward.

I think you missed my point. The implication was that Mercedes Lackey was trying to cash in on the CoH campaign in an effort to sell books. Considering the size of the community, that just doesn't make sense. It might for a noob author trying to get established, but that is not Mercedes.

I'm not a professional programer by any means. But I know enough of it to understand how crazy it is. But it's no less or more 'impossible' than in your engineering scenarios. I've seen incredible feats done with just a single page of code. As for the coders being amateur, often the only difference between amateur and professional is, whether or not they're being paid. Not being paid makes everyone arrive at the conclusion that the person is automatically an idiot. So if you mean amateur in the way most do, it's a great discredit to not only them, but millions of people around the world. This was always the case, but even moreso in the current economy. Many of the ex PS employees have already proven themselves and haven't found work. And there are countless geniuses out there in their chosen fields of expertise who can't and will never be able to find work in those fields, because it simply isn't there. Maybe the word you're really looking for is novice. The word 'amateur' does not give anyone a real clue about an individual's abilities.

Do you have any idea how many pioneers went through that kind of ridicule?

More of Angry Citizen's non-logic.

"People should not try to accomplish anything that seems impossible, because if they fail, I will be there to make fun of them and will try to ensure that the emotional impact of the failure cuts deeply."

Unless I've missed something, there hasn't been any campaigning to get these forums to calm down about CoH closing because Plan Z will come in and save the day. The only people I've seen who are really getting their hopes up, are the ones who are working on it. Any mentions of the Plan Z that I've seen on these forums seem to be as afterthought "Well, there's always Plan Z..." and are being done by third parties, not by the actual development team.

Pfft. You're deluded by your own sense of self-righteousness. People being pie-in-the-sky-idiots, as you say, does not justify you being a complete donkey orifice. The best you could do would be to say, "Do you realize how hard it is... that thing you're trying to do?" But you're not doing that. You're not logical. You're not doing anything benevolent, or impeding attempts at progress for the sake of saving anyone from wasting their time. You're just being a bully. You simply use logic as a crutch to excuse your desire to do harm.

It's like Noah building an Ark while the townspeople stand around and spend all their time heckling.

We're talking about sheer numbers here. People laugh at CoH fans efforts to save the game because they are too few to be worth it for NCsoft to sell to. Why would it be any different for an author?

If the same thinking the naysayers apply to saving CoH were applied here though, that would be pointless. As certain people are so fond of pointing out, the CoH community is too small to be of any relevance.

I think content depth bigger chance at getting in the way of Plan Z than the programming end. Some pretty amazing engines have been made in a considerably short time. And maps can be made easily enough, and that's assuming that an engine doesn't get licensed. But to make a game that has the same customization? All the adjustable body features, costume parts, powers, etc. That is a LOT of modelling/texturing.

There's nothing unrealistic about that 'delusion' these days.

http://www.cinemablend.com/games/EA-...zon-40885.html

That crossed my mind, but I thought that if other companies were at the very least being told, "No", then maybe the response-times from NCsoft just aren't as good as some would prefer. NCsoft isn't exactly known for being well-organized, and has been described by former employees as downright chaotic. So I'm at least willing to give them the benefit of the doubt that they responded, and just took a ridiculously long time to do so. Extra time may need to be allotted for language translations as well.

In 2010, yeah. If something more recent has happened or things with the original surgery complicated themselves, I'm not aware of it happening.

Oh gosh, that must be 'fun.' I feel like I already know too much psychology (and it isn't much) to enjoy typical society much anymore, because it makes it all look like a hoax. I can easily guess where your disgust for emotions stems from now, since every time somebody does something despicable, all they usually say about it is, "I was <insert emotion here> when I did it."

By the way:

I think TonyV got close enough to NCsoft to earn himself an NDA of his own. He doesn't seem like the type to let people keep wasting their energy at Titan if he himself had given up. And if he knows anything, that probably means he can't tell us. And that also means he can't even tell us that he can't tell us.

TonyV would have to be silent about it even if all he got was a cold shoulder, which is probably what happened. So don't assume I'm thinking this because I'm hoping against hope. If I'm right, it doesn't make me think any differently of CoH's chances.

Moot point. Takes two emotional nut-jobs to tango.