TimTheEnchanter

Feh, meant to say 'anyone', not 'everyone'. Either way, Anyway, I was posting it as a question, hoping someone who is thinking it chimes in.

I'm curious how everyone arrived at the conclusion that the entire basis for the idea that NCsoft is ignoring all offers and inquiries regarding the sale of CoH, all came from one ignored helpdesk ticket. That's just as ridiculous as the 80 mil rumor if it's origins are indeed what has been said about it here.

I see, so now you are the one who is authorized to dictate who has the moral high ground?

There is no point debating who is or is not facing reality, because the scope of human experience has so far only allowed us to scratch the surface of it. Nobody 'knows' what is or is not 'out there', and anyone else who goes around telling others they are a problem because their assumption of reality is wrong, is a complete hypocrite and is doing so under their own assumptions about reality.

I think you're about 10 pages behind the discussion now. The context of your argument has been absent from this conversation for days. The context of it, was using logic as an excuse for minimizing the accountability of business, for no other reason than, it's business. And in doing so, business is allowed to be amoral, regardless of how destructive it is. As long as it's legal, it doesn't matter if a game is shut down, a thousand people lose their jobs, or ten thousand lose their homes. Also, none of that discussion had anything to do with atheism.

For me, what is 'normal' is not relevant to what is good or bad. I'm only referring to the majority as "normal." What is accepted as "normal" is in a constant state of flux. Nowhere did I say anything about having a moral high-ground. That is probably just you assuming anyone who believes in something that is unprovable, is either a door-to-door missionary telling everyone they're Hell-bound, a Westboro Baptist, or a suicide bomber.

And here we have another example of the same generalization. Are you honestly telling me that belief in a god/afterlife means I advocate genocide, just because genocides have been caused by people who believe in a god/afterlife? That implication is absolutely absurd.

The problem is not and never has been belief in a higher power, or an afterlife. The problem has always been the dogmas that have been created based on those beliefs. And even then there are many cases where the violence that is being done in the name of a god is a complete mockery of the alleged word of that god. In the Bible, Jesus talked like a frigging pacifist and instructed his followers to love sinners and non-believers. But in the coming centuries, that did nothing to quell all the urges to wipe out every race of people who didn't agree to worship him.

I'm thinking mostly of the people who have the "Whoever dies with the most toys wins" line of thinking. There is this subtle game being played where everyone is trying to have more than everyone else. Yes scientifically, this is typically explained as a leftover shard of primitive humans trying to appease potential mates. But it continues long after all virility is gone from the human body, and long after a person is perfectly satisfied with their relationship status. There seems to be a subconscious thought that somehow when the game is over, we're all going to gather somewhere, check the scoreboard, and stroke our egos.

Really? Feel free to list a couple of the cultures here if you can remember them off the top of your head, because I'd love to learn more about them. Unless you're referring to 'afterlife' in a very literal sense. Reincarnation for instance, I wouldn't describe as an afterlife, because it doesn't require an alternate plane of existence where spirits of the dead persist and convene.

The way business works more or less guarantees that there not be proof. Anyone who has concrete evidence can only disclose it at the risk of being sued, or at the very least, destroying any progress they may have made at completing a sale. Even years later, they will still be forced to adhere to these standards. This is why in the rare cases in which you DO hear insider information, press sources always refer to them as "an individual who chooses to remain anonymous", which only gives skeptics more ammo with which to cry "fake." Which leaves us at a perpetual stalemate. You can either choose to take someone on their word, or conclude that they're lying. And there's not much you can do to shed light on who is more likely to be truthful. For a gaming company, NCsoft's business history is rather dirty. On the other hand, SaveCoH wants NCsoft to look bad. Weighing the limited information we have, all you can do is decide which is more likely.

Maybe NCsoft did something wrong, and maybe not. But SaveCoH trying to make it look wrong, does not change the odds of whether or not it IS wrong.

And he probably still thinks he's not a troll.

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If you're talking about the pr0n allegations against the game, I'm fully aware of it. I have non-CoH-related reasons for leaving that one alone though. The "pervert the world" movement has gone on unhindered for long enough. It's bad enough that 12-year old girls can't go into a Halloween store and pick out an outfit that doesn't have "slutty" slapped on as a title prefix. Now we have to put up with it in games too?

If there's any other anti-B&S campaign strategy that's going on, I'm not aware of it.

Some folks in here are way too obsessed with trying to prove everyone whose opinion they don't like has a mental disorder.

And: B&S is not a party. Not by that definition anyhow.

Is that really any more bizarre than anything that happened in Kingdom Hearts?

Wow... assuming this isn't BS, that's pretty impressive. I've heard of stone-cold people before, but they usually just sugar-coat everything with angst so they don't feel the other emotions.

So yeah, that would explain the lack of empathy for what others are feeling, especially if you've never felt any of that yourself. Did you ever, even when you were young? I'm guessing now at whether this is just a philosophical construct on your part or if you're just hard-wired that way. Because I think most people are wired in such a way that it would be impossible for them to sustain.

Even to just get annoyed at certain things and bury the emotions is generally unhealthy. Most who block emotions are more prone to heart disease and high blood pressure. This is why the term "venting" is used for getting rid of emotion. A machine with no way to vent will eventually damage or destroy itself, and so will most humans (and I'm talking about organ damage, not ramming one's head against the wall in frustration).

Same goes for the religious issue. Are there some who can live without a deity, or even an afterlife? Sure. But they aren't the norm. I believe otherwise, I fully accept the possibility that there may be nothing beyond this world. But if I were to let "nothing" become a concrete truth in my head, I'd probably go out of my skull and spend the rest of my life sedated by strong anti-depressants.

And if it's a case of wiring, and it probably is, expecting everyone else to just have no emotion because you have a super-power (and that IS a super-power) that allows you not to, is an utter waste of time. It'd be no different than Superman calling everyone else wimps because they can't break a car in half with their bare hands.

In general, a limited time-frame, especially one that makes you cease to exist, is a pretty big deterrent to striving for anything. Take a look at how people have generally reacted to having all their MMO work erased with a single pen stroke. Imagine what would happen if you trivialized this living Hell we go through everyday IRL? If you could somehow magically take away everyone's belief in an afterlife, the end result would probably be similar to what happened in Serenity.

Have to agree with this. I don't get nearly as annoyed with missionaries as some people, because I actually usually enjoy the open discussion with them when I have the opportunity. If I see them coming to the house and don't want be bothered, I put on my Sith robe and answer the door acting like I'm in a trance. They leave pretty quickly and I get a good chuckle. 8-)

But I can see why other people get annoyed by it. I'm sorry to say that atheistic missionaries (the ones on TV) tend to annoy me though. There's just something about the tone of the typical attitude that drives me up the wall. I think it's the popular use of words like foolish, immature, etc, that comes off as very arrogant. I don't get that as much from evangelists for some reason even when they start talking about Hell. However, from what I've heard from most atheists, they'd let well-enough alone if missionaries stopped shoving their beliefs in their faces. And that kind of toe-stomping is how we get to heated arguments like this that really aren't needed. We could easily have a world of believers and non-believers if the crusaders on both sides wouldn't feel the need to go around telling others that they're wrong based on what some doctrine or theorem says. It's the extremists who ruin the fun for everyone else and turn what should be a simple 'live & let live' philosophy into a warzone.

This is a very strange phenomenon on these forums. I've been in a LOT of uphill battles. Scratch that. Up 90-degree cliff battles. And I've never seen anything like this before. I've seen heckling, and I've seen people doubting, countless times before, in forums far more cutthroat than this one. But I've never once seen people who find it to be their benevolent duty to use ridicule for the purpose of "liberating" people from trying to beat the odds.

Now now, that can't be proven.

I only really have 2 major issues with organized religion.

#1. Don't kill (or violate other human rights) in a deity's name. Especially since one of the main modern ones whose name has been used to justify much of the killing, specifically said NOT to kill in his name.

#2. Stop assuming the second coming is tomorrow. Assume it isn't. That way you can stop treating the car (Earth) like you can dent it as many times as you want because you 'think' a semi is going to plow into it the next day.

This is why I think it is wrong to be so hard on the Titan "Kibun" discussion. If anything, that started as an attempt to understand the difference between U.S. and Korean cultures, and to find a way to communicate to them in their own language. Yes, the idea got abused. But the thinking behind it made sense. Some have chosen to declare it racism, or offensive in some way. But it seemed to me like profiling, which sadly, needs to be done in cases of diplomacy. Nobody grasps culture shock until it happens to them.

Just imagine if you will, an alien race showing up in orbit around Earth, with the full might of their military. By our logic, we'd probably panic and open fire. War ensues for years, and then later when the dust settles and members of both sides can stand being in the same room together for more than 5 minutes, we discover that these aliens have a dire hatred of deception. And instead of concealing the full strength of their forces like one would do during wartime, they displayed it to us in what to them is a benevolent manner as if to say, "Here we are, and this is what we have."

One thing I remember reading on one of those links in the Kibun thread was that Koreans don't like doing business with people they don't know. Typically they're somewhat xenophobic about it, unless an individual they ARE familiar with, introduces them to the stranger. Maybe this is accurate, maybe not. But it did give some insight into a possible reason for the apparent lack of communication between NCsoft and potential buyers.

I'm SO glad I no longer do contract web design, and this pandemic of perpetual indecision is exactly why.

There are too many cogs in a business to make that assumption. Both accounting and administration are facets of a functioning business. That doesn't mean knowing one of those jobs means you can do the other. In fact, I've seen plenty of businesses where it is extremely clear that nobody knows the simplest details required to do other jobs. This is why bosses are often described as having their heads up their own hind ends.

And, if we could somehow slow this all down into matrix bullet time, you've thrown a punch at someone, and while your fist is flying towards your foe, you turn to the audience and say, "Presumably, he'll either block or dodge the punch", as a way of discrediting him if he does what is logical.

I wouldn't necessarily use these sorts of things to judge someone's business capacity. I know of at least one super-rich businessman, who was given a bid to run a whole nation. That guy didn't understand why airplane windows don't open. Another one recently, who is even richer, in a 1-minute span, whined that the U.S. is no longer a democracy, and suggested that America attack Washington to force a reversal of a decision which was determined by the process that was created by a democracy.

Both are infinitely stupid things to say. But it doesn't seem to be hindering their ability to fill their wallets with a steam shovel.

We live in a very specialized age. People tend to know a LOT about a few things, and very little about everything else.

I'm specifically referring to the racism debate that has sprung up out of nowhere, where the accusers are now making sure that the accused remains a racist, no matter what.

I see we're still in tabloid territory, where reporters take one phrase and run a hundred miles with it.

Alright, maybe Plan Z will be a disaster. But for a disaster, you sure have already elevated them to celebrity status by holding them to the same standards that slander journalists hold politicians to.

The folks who are saying, "Hey look at that still. Obama must be checking out her butt!" need to try watching the full video.

Heheh, well for mechanics around here, I wouldn't think they actually believe replacing the transmission would solve the brake problem. For that, I refer to a modern proverb. "When a doctor tells you that you need surgery, you can't be sure if you're dying, or if he's just planning a vacation."

Indeed. Complete disregard for the size of the average person's web browser. 8-)

You need to discern the difference between crazy and dumb. Lack-of-sanity claims have been getting thrown around here WAY too much. At some point the entire Titan forum was even slapped with some Schizo label.

Crazy people are aware of reality but act as if it isn't there.

Asking about the selling price of CoH via a ticket isn't worthy of being called crazy. Ignorant, yes. But hardly "looney bin." Would you recommend someone for a padded room if they thought a brake failure on a car meant they had to replace the transmission? That's not crazy. It just means they don't understand how a car works.