The_Masque

From today's Patch Notes:

yeah I remember VoFT, that Weezle guy was a pretty cool dude.

Sex Machine has been renamed to "The Original S&M" DR(the VG) is still around, but I 'think' DR(the player) is taking a break.

This weekend I am out of town, and the weekend after is iffy, I am on call at work. I will be planning a "PvP" event for the following weekend (in 3 weeks).

I moved a few toons to Virtue so I will try to be there for this.

Also, hey Arky.

Sorry I missed your messages GP. I was on Vent with the other team leads and we were all sending out messages to those people who had signed up but hadn't shown yet. We also had to do some last minute switching around to make sure all the key holes were filled.

I didn't keep as close of an eye on the global channels as I should have, I was getting a lot of tells from people asking if there was room and I know one person got a little upset that they waited in pocket D but didn't get on a the raid. The unfortunate thing was that they were on a 42 and had not signed up so I said I would see if we had spots open but never told him that a 50 would have been better.

Great run tonight! Everyone did a really awesome job. I really want to thank everyone who showed up and spent time/merits to gather up the temps prior to the run, also Gris and Bambi for showing why they are some of the best "go to" players redside.

We got off to a slot start, we had about 8 people not show up, and were scrambling to fill the missing roles. Once we had the team organized things could not have gone better. All three teams took down the obelisks amazingly fast and the 2nd part of the trial went very smoothly as well.

I do want to apologize to people who were sending me tells asking to be on the CoP, there were a few who were too low of a level (minimum level is 35). A few others were waiting around to see if they could get on the CoP with level 40ish toons or Stalkers and at that point we were still trying to get rads/kins for the trial (we had 0 of each at one point). I also owe r0x an appology I told him he could join on a vigilente (I guess I was thinking rogue) and he missed out on this run, it really sucked too because he had put in a lot of leg work getting all three nukes, shivans and Amys.

I know these last two runs have been pretty draconian with myself asking for specific ATs, I promise that things loosen up on future runs. I just think that everyone who has lead these really wanted to make sure these runs were successful and with experience everyone who has participated will know what to expect for future runs.

Again, thanks to everyone who helped out, and sorry to those who missed out on this run.

I ran tips missions for about 2 hours day. I was able to complete 1 mission which was click 4 glowies and defeat a boss in about 2 minutes. However, I did run into a mission that spawned a few ambushes that I had to go running around to look for and I ended up having to kill most of the map to complete, it took me about 30 minutes.

So, I think quick times are obtainable but sustainable I still have my doubts.

BG is that you?!? I'm down for a ship raid I need merits!

Petition it, I was able to get back a purple from an email that I accidently hit spam on. They have been really good about getting stuff back for people who have lost items.

Global channels... thats another story.

Panzer:

When I was trying to brainstorm times I considered the fastest tf times I know of which are:
~17 ITF
~19 STF
~22 LGTF
Those numbers are clearly not sustainable over numerous runs so I bumped them up to:
~20 ITF
~25 STF
~25 LGTF

But still didn' t think that was very realisitic longterm so I went with the:

25 ITF
30 STF
30 LGTF.

You mentioned you clock your times, I would be curious as to what you have found for 5 mission day and the 6 mission day.



Flea-

I 100% agree that set up times need to be considered and this greatly affects the outcome of the math.

If we were to tack on 10 minutes per day to get everyone on the team and in-zone we are looking as a 220 min investment for 222 merits compared to the 176 mins for 2 A-merits.

I went back and forth about trying to figure a good way to include set up times, because in all honestly, there is set up time for A-merits as well. Some people are heading to DA and burning through mobs till they get their tip missons then running them and only hitting DA again if they run out of tips. Some people say they never run out of tips. Others have said they have gone as long as 90 minutes without getting a tip to drop. So I don't know how to place a timeframe for A-Merit set up, which lead me to not include R-Merit set up.

Having said that... I would think, base tp->TP to DA -> kill mobs ->Ozone->PI would be fairly quick as a set up, maybe on the order of ~10 minutes and then hopefully the person would get any further tips during the 5 missions.

I just think we need to collect more data to see how viable these are.


BTW, This is what I do:
Bronze Roll Tickets < level 30.
Purchase LoTG with R-Merits/Random Roll in the 35-39 range.
for A-Merits, I have no idea yet, I will probably save them up and get Glad Arm +3% def or Pan Chance for heal/end. I have a few characters who could benefit from those little buggers.

After talking to various people, I am going to stick with my original statement that A-Merits are useful for getting PvP-Os and Purples that you just can't find on the market, or are currently overpriced (they will drop).

I think running a mission in 5-6 minutes is possible but, running 10,15,25,100 missions over the course of a few weeks and still averaging 5-6 minutes is not realistic. I think people might be looking at time from zoning into a mission to clicking exit and think "wow that was only 5ish minutes" but they aren't taking into account the travel time from the last door (yes its minor but it does add up over 5 mission) 30 minutes does not include the Morality mission which would 'in theory' bump the 2nd days worth of farming up to 36ish minutes.

Farming A-Merits (realistically):
Day 1: 5 Missions at an average of 7.5 minutes+travel time to door of 0.5 minutes = 40 minutes.
Day 2: 6 Missions at an average of 7.5 minutes +travel time= 48 minutes.

Total time for 1 A-Merit: 88 minutes.

Day 3: 40 minutes
Day 4: 48 minutes

Total time for 2 A-Merits: 176 minutes which = 1 LoTG 7.5%.


This is considering that the person is 'ghosting' missions as fast as possible defeating the minimal amount of mobs necessary.

If that same person were to speed TFs:

STF: 37 merits, ~30 minutes.
ITF: 26 merits, ~25 minutes.
LGTF: 37 merits, ~30 minutes.
Khan: 20 merits, ~30 minutes. (poor merit/min payout)
I can't speak to speeding shard TFs but I am sure people can run those pretty fast as well.

We can see that doing:
Day 1: STF/LGTF= 1 hour and 74 merits.
Day 2: STF= 1/2 hour and 37 merits.
Day 3: LGTF/STF= 1 hour and 74 merits.
Day 4: LGTF= 1/2 hour and 37 merits.

Total Time: 180 minutes (a tad more then 176 for A-merit farming) but you end up with 222 R-merits, so thats a LoTG 7.5 + 22 extra merits (one random roll). In addition, running those TFs will result in a lot more inf/recipes/salvage/vanguard merits then running Tip missions.

TL,DR?

A-Merits are nice, probably most useful for purples/pvp-Os
R-Merits are nice, still probably the most useful way to purchase specific recipes.


We will have a better idea of how fast people are gathering these merits in a month maybe 2. Honestly, until then is all speculation.

Of course all of this is just my opinion and is 100% wrong.

Backup list:

Valdy
GP
Viv


Last run we ended up filling a few slots off the backup list so just because you aren't in yellow doesn't mean you will miss out.


Please try to get nukes (bio/chem), Shivans, Heavies, Temp powers that are nice (rez, backup radio, envenom daggers). The last warburg nuke is ok, its AoE damage so only if you really enjoy freeing techs do you need to get it.


Thanks all.

Please sign up even if we are full on what you want to bring the last CoP we ran we had 5 people forget/busy and had to fill their spots.

1) Brute/Scrapper/Tank- Adrenal Static
2) Brute/Scrapper/Tank - Korrelia
3) Brute/Scrapper/Tank - DC
4) Brute/Scrapper/Tank - Rez
5) Brute/Scrapper/Tank - Voodoo
6) Brute/Scrapper/Tank - Konda
7) Cold/FF- Necrotech
8) Cold/FF - Pimpstress Bambi
9) Cold/FF - Eternal Flames
10) Emp/Thermal/Pain Dom- Vanum
11) Emp/Thermal/Pain Dom- TW
12) Emp/Thermal/Pain Dom
13) Dom (perma would be nice) -r0x
14) Dom (perma would be nice) - Swatfire
15) Dom (perma would be nice) - Wac
16) Rad/Dark/Poison/Sonic (Def/Troller/Corr/MM)- Zerlina
17) Rad/Dark/Poison/Sonic (Def/Troller/Corr/MM)- 3D
18) Rad/Dark/Poison/Sonic (Def/Troller/Corr/MM)
19) NW/Fort with perma Mindlink or Cold/FF - Masque
20) NW/Fort with perma Mindlink or Cold/FF - olo
21) NW/Fort with perma Mindlink or Cold/FF
22) any - Battering Ram
23) any - Iguanandon
24) any - Gris

I'm totally PLing my post count.

Nah time just worked best for Gris, and I wouldn't even attempt this with out his group of people.

I would imagine if sucessful it would be a quick run, seems like the longer they go the great chance of failure. So, Im thinking 30ish minutes.

Nukes/shivans/Heavies/Envenom daggers are our friends.

Hey all, under the guidance of Gris and Bambi we are going to try to get this completed redside this Saturday.

Same as last time 24 spots:

1) Brute/Scrapper/Tank- Adrenal Static
2) Brute/Scrapper/Tank - Korrelia
3) Brute/Scrapper/Tank
4) Brute/Scrapper/Tank
5) Brute/Scrapper/Tank
6) Brute/Scrapper/Tank - Konda
7) Cold/FF- Necrotech
8) Cold/FF - Pimpstress Bambi
9) Cold/FF
10) Emp/Thermal/Pain Dom- Vanum
11) Emp/Thermal/Pain Dom
12) Emp/Thermal/Pain Dom
13) Dom (perma would be nice)
14) Dom (perma would be nice)
15) Dom (perma would be nice)
16) Rad/Dark/Poison/Sonic (Def/Troller/Corr/MM)- Zerlina
17) Rad/Dark/Poison/Sonic (Def/Troller/Corr/MM)- 3D
18) Rad/Dark/Poison/Sonic (Def/Troller/Corr/MM)
19) NW/Fort with perma Mindlink or Cold/FF - Masque
20) NW/Fort with perma Mindlink or Cold/FF - olo
21) NW/Fort with perma Mindlink or Cold/FF
22) any
23) any
24) any