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*pauses and then looks again at Darkjedi's signature*

Hold on a mo... Doug Shuler?

Serra Angel?
The Zodiac Conspiracy?

NO BLOODY WAY!

Michelle
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Samuraiko/Dark_Respite

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Yep. He's sold more artwork than all of us combined, people collect more of his artwork than all of ours combined, and as someone who's SEEN FIRSTHAND what the publishing industry is like for artists, it's totally ironic that some "art drawer" has chosen his work to pull a Simon Cowell routine on.

Would you like a bigger backhoe for that hole you're digging for yourself, there, DZ? Cos, you know, this ranks right up there with telling Elton John that he can't sing very well.

It's Just. Not. Done.

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.. well Elton John really cant sing that well...

anyway, heehee.. was fun while it lasted .. it was kinna like an Ewok telling a Wookie how to hold his plasma-bow the right way.

oops.. forgot ta post twice in a row.. *whew*

*runs off*


P.S. maybe show more boobs, I dont think the white queens powers function properly unless the maximum amount of fan-service flesh is showing at the time

Ive always considered the white queen to be the downhome looking one... its the DARK QUEEN I would take for a more ..err.. patrician nose?...

personally I think it looks great, like a collectable card pack.

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now that thats out of the way...

"ARRGGHHH!!!" *grabs a chair and throws it across the room, then pee's on the floor and rips his hair out*...

ahhh.. well..I think ive matched the amount of troll flame comments on the thread so far.. so I dont feel left at now.. thank you...

err.. I think ive covered everything..

*wiggles into thread*...

are you using the newist girl or the old one?.. err.. and did she come with morph sets in the poses tab??

(* im stuck on trying to figure out morph sets, and how they work *)

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wtf are you talking about?

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What? You don't understand Tartyrtalk?



Sweet, tops another page.

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Tartyr gets his own language and I don't? I see how it is.

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im like Yoda on the short school bus

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But its Lipe from Fe[u]lipe[u] brah D:

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ack.. well calling me "brah" just cuz I like to run around holding womens breast up is a bit much dont you think... I consider it a free public service after all... err... ok.. im gonna just say Lipe then....

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I currently only have ye good ole Photoshop; and zero technique on how to do coloring with it. I got a friend who actually did some awesome coloring using some tool out there, and I might ask him to color the... sucker.

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. .. err... well the word suck was still stuck in my mind at the time, and believe me, your art DOSE NOT SUCK, really its just a matter of practice at this point.. but I would still like to see how you proportion the male and female figures out... and really "sucker" and "suck" are two different things...

suck would be like...
--- "wow, its three dollers for a can of soda at Disney world.. that SUCKS"

sucker would be like..
---"wow, Linsy Lohan is hot, I would really like to SUCKER"


... as for photoshop.. I would say just use the paintbucket tool and the burn and dodge tool to start out.. ..err.. and layers.. err.. OK I guess you really do need ta learn the program... but its worth it in the long run.

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..as do you.

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As do I what? Grammer check in aisle 5 please.

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..as do you.
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..personally, I would like ta see a female and male drawing of your stuff Lips ( im just gonna call you lips.. im horrid at number names ) .. yah know,, you might wanna just start coloring some of the suckers...

what programs or tools are you using???

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NEVER EVER EVER EVER listen to people that says your art sucks when you show it to them.. no matter how good of an artist you THINK they are, or even if they have a doctorate in art history (( and unless there medical doctorate in there some place.. DONT call them doctor.. its just sad ))

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If someone has gone to the effort of earning a doctorate, their title is doctor unless they are a university professor. Nobody is going to force you to address them that way, it is your god given right to sound ignorant if you choose to do so.



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..as do you.


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If you want to get better, you listen to negative criticism of your work. If someone says your drawing sucks, especially a more accomplished artist, it probably DOES suck.


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saying someone elses drawing sucks is not a critique.. its a blatent insult with no helpful comments or suggestions .. period.


...now moving on to more important things...

its a very nice drawing lips82... might wanna see your old work though also.

yes.. tracing is like training wheels


as far as not being able to draw well.... ive always thought of drawing as 5 percent talent, and 95 percent perseverance...

theres TONS .. literally TONS of people that can make drawings that could equal or exceed even the best published artists out there... ( there is probably someone working at the local Mcdonalds that could out draw most of the guys at image ) the difference is those people have the talent but not the dedication to finish what they start or even ta go the extra mile.

someone who cant draw that well, yet STILL finishes drawings and completes works on time, will eventually get better. Those that can draw well, yet dont finish drawings or slack off tend either to not improve with time or just fall to the roadside.

...err.. anyway hope this thread help you.. and one last note:

NEVER EVER EVER EVER listen to people that says your art sucks when you show it to them.. no matter how good of an artist you THINK they are, or even if they have a doctorate in art history (( and unless there medical doctorate in there some place.. DONT call them doctor.. its just sad )) .. NO self respecting artist is gonna critique your work with insult comments like " that sucks" .. that being said, there are some that will critique it with lines like " that arm needs more muscle mass.. fingers need more definition.. ect " .. those are good critiques and should be MINORLY listened too.. but whatever happens.. always take critiques as minor suggestions that you may or may not use.. its to easy to have someone crush your enthusiasm by giving a complex critique that makes you feel two feet tall in comparison... I would say wear a thick skin when you ask others to crit your work and take from them the best advice and leave all insults and veiled remarks at the side of the road with all the other trash.

anyway.. hope this helps

..err.. well im bound and determined ta get this logically worded out... so basically.. tracing the image EXACTLY and tracing the WHOLE image is not good... you wont learn anything.. now that being said.. tracing PARTS of an image and using that part to see how the image is made by placing guides OVER the image PART you just traced, is very VERY helpful... IMHO

..ok well.. think of the tracing paper as not so much the drawing .. but more as how your mind should see the drawing.. kind of like looking at a blueprint before you even touch the area your about to make a building on...

take that old spawn comic book and cover it with the tracing paper and trace over the lines used in making the cape or a jacket... dont trace the whole image .. just parts of to get the feel of it...

well hey... trace the general outline of any Jim Lee drawn character and THEN draw guidelines over it... see how the characters' always a certain amount of heads tall... or that if you trace an eye and move the paper.. that the eyes are normaly one eye wight between the two...

see.. your not copying Jim Lee's art because your not tracing the whole picture .. your just tracing parts of it to see how that artist goes about lining up and making his work in a general sense... your art work will never look exactly like theres because your not the same person... however.. seeing how they use light and dark and shadding in an image is very informative..

so in the end, its not like your copying Jim Lee.. it more like your just licking him.. kinda getting a taste of the whole Lee package.. letting your tongue slush over the lines and angles he uses to show dept and perspective.. how he uses so few lines to convey so much... allowing your saliva to fill in the void of understanding the basic elements of an image by dissecting it into small parts....

ahh THATS the word I was looking for .. DISSECTION.. trace a bit of the image or drawing and then dissect it back to its basic shapes by building guidelines over it .. turn the whole thing into a simple ruff draft showing just the guidelines of the character.

infact take a playboy mag and trace the girls and then draw guidelines over them to see how there bodys break down into simple shapes...


..basically.. when your done with the tracing paper, it should look like absoluty nothing what so ever...

also for a simpler excersise.. try tracing a perfect circle and keep tracing it round and round and round and see how long you can keep it up till the circle becomes an oval or worse..

and everyones gonna hate me for this.. but trace a whole image EXACTLY. ( I know I just said don't do it.. but do it anyway ) .. only trace the image UPSIDE DOWN, its a great way to let your mind think of the shapes of an image rather then how your mind normally thinks images should look like

...err.. I STILL dont think I explained that right though.. :*(

..all I see in the poses window tab are.. well.. poses... none of them are changing the sliders that are displayed... im thinking I have to buy something that dose muscle morphs or increases bust size on models, separately... is that right???

..I personally feel that no two people draw the same way..err..

ick.. did I open a can of worms with my comments?...

*trys to close drawer*

..guess when I said " tracing " I meant tracing, tracing... and then some... the tracing paper would look like one ball of graphite... repition of shapes by using underlying artwork to help build up muscles and learn spacial degrees ..ect ect... didnt mean to trace the image.. well,.. yes trace.. but then trace over the tracing and then trace over that tracing.. on the same paper.. over and over and over again till your wrists get used ta the effort... kinna like drawing a perfect circle over and over again... err.. dunno how to explain it...

ARRRGGHH.. that drawer just spoke to me!!!!!
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great.. now where am I gonna put my socks now :*(

err.. if your looking for personal preferances or tips... I would say..

1. dont draw where your bed is.. its to tempting to take a "quick" nap between pencil breaks.. and oversleep for hours..

2. I find a nice quiet room with my favorite music helps (* course theirs no quiet rooms around by me, but I hope to find one and put music in it.. *)

3. personally... blue girded paper works well for me... its nicer to look at then the dreaded "blank paper" page.

4. DONT put wet painted artwork in your computer scanner

5. use referance shoots or get images from all the artists you love and use them for referances...

6. if your TOTALLY out of practice.. I would suggest getting a thick pad of tracing paper and tracing artists or art work you like... over and over and over and over again till your hand cramps up or your fingers start bleeding, till your drawing the shapes in your sleep.

7. find one style and stick to it .. dont jump around different styles (* im at fault for doing this *)

8. learn pencil first,,, then learn ink.. then learn color.. dont try to learn all at one time...

9. become a tutorial hoe (* its pretty much were im at now *) and do any tutorial or buy any book you can get your hands on and practice it over and over again...

10. draw what you DONT like or arnt good at first ... or for most people.. draw lots of hands and feet and other body parts you dont like.. then focus on the stuff you do like later.

11. NEVER trust a penguin with a radio

12. try to learn how to use guidelines in drawing a lot... like making simple shapes or stick figures for starting the drawing, then building UP from there.. dont start at one point like an eyeball or other body part and work outward from there.

13. keep a clean working area.. and make sure your soda cans arent in the area to spill on your artwork.

14. keep dates and times on your art work when its done so you can have a full progressive flow to see your improvements.

.. and thats all I can think of for now.. hope that helps

....and whats the differance between poser 7 and poser pro???? ...hmm....

I just got poser 7 installed.. but I thought all characters came with things like morphs for breast and waist size and sliders that let you turn fingers into claws .. apparently not...

my last poser experience was poser 4 pro, and that came with every bell and whistle extra addin there was at the time... special morphs for "the girl" ...ect...

so any poser guru's out there that know of any poser addins that would simplify poser 7's interface?.. or if you EVEN use any poser addins...

somehow I imagine poser more like a waffle.. its not really good till you get the syrup and other topings on

yay.. I did too... (* took 7 hours ta download though *)... now all I have ta do is try to get all the stuff from daz to show up in poser.. SOB

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Still waiting for two out of pieces from Ryan Stegman, but considering he got picked up by Marvel and is working on Hulk (and has done Grimm Fairy Tales) I'm going to wait patiently (and expectantly) for those as well.

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ahh well.. as long as Marvel pays him up-front.. im sure he will met all his deadlines *j/k*

I say make TOTALLY sure its marked in the shopping cart at the price and then get it before the lazy webmaster updates the pages

I didnt read that part... but it still lets me buy that version if I want too.... for the reduced price...

and its set as the current "BIG DEAL" ... just click on the button on the top left of the page that says "view the current BIG DEAL" and it should show you the poser 6 product...

I halfway purchased poser 6 at the lower price ( under 30 bucks for posers not bad ).. but after using the horrid daz3d.. I decided ta get poser 7.. under 100 bucks is still around my price range for poser..

..the problem is... when it goes back ta regular price... this threads gonna sound kinna goofy

...hmm.. so people using foxfire will say ... "what error?? "

and people using internet explorer will say .. "arrgghh.. it errored again!!!"

..get foxfire.. its sooo much better and no bill gates looking over your shoulder

...ohh and thanks for the "awwww" .. .. even though I scaned it from the grid paper without modifying it.. I still think it looks good... plus the papers over a foot long.. probably the biggest sheet of paper ive drawn on sense ive had to staple more sheets of paper to the origianl one to finish the drawing...and I like the "I love my daddy" logo on the little kids outfit... it makes it look like a "precious moments" figurine

..errr... to tell the truth.. I dunno if this helps anyone.. or if im allowed ta post it here... but I know a few people were wondering about poser and would probably feel bad if they missed the big sale and then had ta buy it full price later

dunno if anyone wants to try poser.. but its marked down to 60 percent off at the store now.. dunno how long or why..


http://www.contentparadise.com/us/us..._product_25804


and poser 6 is 80 percent off
http://www.contentparadise.com/us/us..._product_46483