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Quote:Actually, there are only 2 powers that give recharge boosts, one having a really long recharge.Originally Posted by Shubbie
Time seems a lacking set for MM's
Pets dont get a bonus from +rech and Time is so heavily vested in +rech.
Seems... not to work.
The main benefit of Time Manipulation is actually the debuffs it puts on enemies, reducing their damage and recharge.
It also has some -to-hit, though not much, and some defense buffs that the pets certainly benefit from.
I can see it being useful, at least later on.
I finally decided to try it with Demons because of their ice attacks slowing enemies, their resistance, their enemy damage debuffs and their melee range favoring.
If that doesn't work so well then I'll go back to robots, but, if that sucks too, I'll go back to bots/ff or try demons/ff and just leave Time Manipulation to another archetype.
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Quote:1) I finally got the patch downloaded to be able to see for myself.Originally Posted by Reppu
You can view detailed power information yourself in-game at character creation via. toggling it on while browsing your first power selection. There's other ways to do this, too.
That said, Time is a melee-based set and... honestly it's still a little underwhelming. Nothing's changed really from Open Beta to Live, and well, eh?
That said, Demons have the natural melee instinct to compliment Time being a melee-based set well, but Bots have the superior defensive synergy. It's up in the air, but ultimately it doesn't really matter.
2) I'm still unsure which pets to go with. They do have synergy with the Protector Bot bubbles, but not much else for bots, especially with the knockback and range they have.
The other pets have always been rather weak, in my opinion, compared to bots, except maybe demons.
I would even consider other pets, but it's still a tough choice. -
Ok then.
Can anyone post detailed info numbers for mastermind versions of Farsight, Time's Juncture and Distortion Field?
Which is the better pet set to pair with Time Manipulation, Robots or Demons? -
Don't forget about HOs/SHOs for your builds. They save slots and give you a lot of benefit, especially on a mastermind.
Here is an example build with demons/ff:
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How is Time Manipulation for masterminds?
Anybody got mastermind numbers(since I am still downloading the update slowly) for the most important powers: Time's Juncture, Farsight, Distortion Field?
Which do you think, or have you seen, is better with Time Manipulation? Robots or Demons? -
Quote:You're adding wrong. You don't need sets or incarnate boosts to soft-cap the pets and yourself with a robots/force field build, at least when you take maneuvers.Originally Posted by plainguy
Defense cap wise I am defense cap with protectors bots base 7.5% bubble. But with double bubble The pets are still short by 2% or so. I needed Nerve Radial Paragon to bump up my defenses so my bubbles will now completely defense cap my pets.
1) Dispersion Bubble + Insulation Shield + Deflection Shield + Maneuvers = 31.447% defense to all positions in your build.
2) The Protectors Bots cast one bubble each, giving 7.5%(easily 10% enhanced and max 12%) defense each, which stack. That comes out to an easy 20% more defense.
That is over 51% defense, well over the 45% soft-cap for all content except incarnate trials. (Although, the Protector Bots can't bubble themselves so they have 10% less so yes they are a little lower.)
Of course, your character will not benefit from the ally-only bubbles so you will have about 16% less defense, but you have weave to compensate some.
Still, your bots will easily all be either well above soft-cap or close to soft-cap while your character will be pushing 40% defense as well.
The Protector Bots should not be gaining aggro either so they should be fine with a little less.
You can always use Force Bubble to keep most enemies away.
You don't need to be the tank for your pets which would make your own defense matter less.
Honestly, I've never considered tanking worth the risk when my pets easily do a good enough job themselves with surviving aggro. I just send them to fight and keep them buffed.
Hell, if you're doing the tanking for them then their defense doesn't even matter since it won't apply except for occasional AoE damage if they are in range.
Edit:
Actually, you haven't slotted Deflection Shield and Insulation Shield enough.
You can gain 2.5% more defense for your pets if you slotted them to 60% enhancement of defense buffs.
You also can slot an Edict of the Master Defense Bonus to give your pets 5% more defense when they are close to you.
Edit 2:
You took the laser rifle attacks?
You should probably skip one of those for Assault form the Leadership pool. That will help your ability to take tough enemies down. Your pets are your best source of damage, especially for robots, but it is perhaps just a preference choice. It's hard to measure the dps difference that could be. -
Quote:Actually, the whole argument started with people saying:Originally Posted by Arcanaville
If you think that's the first example of people recognizing that Praetoria has always been a choice between the lesser of two evils, your exposing a gap in your understanding of the discussion. Only a few people are claiming the resistance is "good" just because Cole is "evil." However, in Praetoria you get to make that choice between being on the resistance or serving Cole. In Primal Earth your choice is between opposing Cole or not. Whether you choose to serve the resistance or not is a completely separate question, and it has nothing to do with whether you judge Cole's actions morally justified.
"The Resistance are heroes and Loyalists are villains."
Just look for the earlier Golden Girl posts for one example.
I'm not the one who started the argument with a flawed "absolutist view", and I am not the one who is mistaken in what the argument was about.
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Here is the build. It's all SOs and not how I want it exactly yet. It's also in a slightly older version of Mids, but all info is still accurate aside from endurance costs of powers that are now lower.
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Quote:Oh, I see what you are talking about.Originally Posted by plainguy
I will definitely look at what I got when I get home. I know someone was short defense cap wise. Maybe you can post your build and show me where I went wrong.
It's the mastermind himself who is hard to soft-cap, without IOs. The reason is because the bots/ff mastermind won't be able to use the two ally-only shields on himself.
Still, you get rather close to the soft-cap thanks to the bubble the Protector Bots put on you(one for each bot up to a total of about 20% more defense) and your own 25% defense with fully SOed dispersion bubble, stealth, maneuvers and hover.
You'll be set, especially since you have mez protection.
BUT, I never was a "tankermind". I let the pets hold aggro with their more than ample defenses.
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Quote:AVs have the triangles, GMs just have high mez protection but I don't think they have the 50 magnitude of the triangles.Originally Posted by plainguy
You know I was thinking of GM when posting.. I had issues with Scrapyard which did the same as you babbage. I believe its that whole triangle thing of being up and down.. Whats it called again ?
You will be short I believe a few points in one positional type defense. Again I need to look it up on my other machine.
Robots/Force Field soft-caps all positional defenses equally. I won't be short defense at all. The only issue may be damage, but robots put out quite a bit of that against normal enemies so maybe they have enough for a GM. Though, I have never attempted to solo a GM yet with a mastermind.
Actually, i take that back.
I did have my pets tanking and soloing Jack In Irons in Talos Island during last year's Halloween event, but I was on a team that had not gotten there yet so I didn't get to see if I actually could solo him the whole way.
He didn't obliterate my pets though, despite them running into melee. :P (dumb pets) -
Quote:Originally Posted by Yogi_Bare
Not quite what I was pointing out (was just showing some parallels between the citizenry under authoritarian rule and citizenry under democratic rule); comparable 'freedom(s)' under differing systems.
Wasn't really touching base on Cole, but I will at this point; since there was discussion on systems being evil (diverging from the people that head them being evil).
We're assuming Cole is in control. He may or may not be. Maybe the Well is in control. It's possible that he's just an overpowered figurehead and his Praetors are really running the show (which is what it really appears like to me, atm. IMO). There could be something that hasn't been revealed yet.
But for the sake of argument, lets assume that Cole is the undisputed head honcho.
If Cole, as an individual, is evil enough to corrupt the system he's using to be likewise; then so can a democratic system be corrupted to allow control to be maintained by a group representing a similar evil (instead of an individual). The method of removal concerning these evils; whether its by force or vote is somewhat irrelevant being that in either case... the evil can be 'removed' (or at least, exchanged).
I would even venture to say that the main relevance it would hold is how we would classify our removal of Cole; as a Primal or as a Praetorian. Good or Evil? Are we taking into account the risks that come with his removal (at this point in the active story) or are we just fighting Fire with Fire burning everyone in the process (collateral damage)? Or both...
As stated earlier, I don't think think this is Good vs. Evil anymore; its Evil vs. Evil. The conversation is leaning towards which Evil is preferable (Chaotic or Lawful). It may be more difficult for those who primarily dwell blueside to see that angle... but some redsiders already know the conflict for what it is; a basic power struggle to gain control at some capacity.
At least a portion of our evil (Primal) isn't fighting their evil for the betterment of both societies (except to satisfy limited game mechanics and storytelling - there's a spoiler hidden in there); its doing so, so it can fill the void once that challenge to their seat of power is removed.
The other portion of our evil (also Primal) is fighting their evil so that our evil can be allowed to run its chaotic course (because if they were really serious about preventing evil, they would have to start modeling their actions (here and there) after the evil they're supposed to be fighting).
Heck, if it weren't for our selfish desire to stay alive; we wouldn't even acknowledge his regime and the poor victims that reside under it.
[***at this point, my brain is fried... if you still want to continue this; then catch me after the boards come back up tomorrow
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Finally, somebody understands the whole idea of "the lesser of two evils" and "moral gray" and Praetoria actually being a choice between two factions instead of right and wrong.
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Quote:nope. I have played it through, all except the majority of the Crusader arc. I read about that one on the wiki.Originally Posted by Starsman
I think (and am not a mind reader so may be wrong) T_Immortalus has not played the content to see the actual in game representation of Emperor Cole. If you base yourself only on the marketing campaign for Going Rogue (and had it held up to the actual in game content) he would be right, after all. Marketing attempted to make him be appreciable as either, a tyrant or a savior.
I saw Neuron as evil, Anti-matter as impatient, Dominatrix as crazy evil and Mother Mayhem as crazy evil and Emperor Cole as "a leader" and vigilante.
Honestly, everyone around Cole is a lot more evil than he ever appears.
Sure, you can blame him for that, but the game makes it look like he doesn't know everything that goes on, thus plausible deniability.
Yes, it looks like he arranged for a conspiracy to let him plausibly deny things, but I have no proof. Therefore, I'm not jumping on the "assumption train headed for conclusion cliff". -
Quote:I'm still playing, as obviously I have a subscription to be able to post here.Originally Posted by chartube13
Just ignore the T_
He admitted in another thread he quit playing CoH a long time ago. His arguments are nothing but troll behavior. He knows barely anything about the two worlds. What he does know is second hand knowledge has he doesn't play the game anymore.
So, which of us doesn't know the facts? I think that would be you who doesn't even seem to know how these forums work. -
Quote:You take things out of context much too quickly. You missed the next part where I said "they hated everybody that wasn't with them".Originally Posted by Golden Girl
These are some pretty stunning politcal insights here - got anymore for us to, uh "enjoy"
I haven't played First Ward story yet, but I am prepared to be shown the true good path and turn against Cole for a better leader, or myself as that better leader(it could happen in the story).Quote:Originally Posted by Golden Girl
And the game has everyone help the dissenters overthrow the government.
I just haven't seen anything to point me definitively to which side is better up to level 20 on the live servers, nor the incarnate trials which are just defending from an invading army and arguably in response to a previous invasion from the defending side.
I am prepared to side with the Resistance. They just have to do better things than the Loyalists do in a measurable sense.
They need to be "the better people" and I will support them then. -
Quote:I'm just saying the definition you posted was highly subjective and not a true objective definition.Originally Posted by Arcanaville
Of all the places to pick as the field of debate with me, few are worse than the dictionary.
It may as well have had a picture of Stalin saying "there, he was a dictator" and given no reasons why or how he was a dictator, just lumped all his actions together under the term.
Hell, we're all dictators whenever we tell someone "do this" or "do that" or are having a secretary write something down for us(called "dictation" though far from evil).
The definition needs to be as precise as possible or it is wrong.
Dictators do not need to be evil, but dictators can be evil, which is why you get the phrase "evil dictator".
Obviously, I caused confusion among everyone here, especially Golden Girl, and I apologize. I tried to be absolutely clear, but apparently that was a mistake. -
Quote:The Protector Bots bubbles stack. A bots/ff toon gets pets well beyond the soft-cap after slotting with only SOs. It's one reason I enjoy Force Field so much.Originally Posted by plainguy
Which brings you to Robots which is nice since the protector bots offer the bubble you need to obtain defense cap all around. Actually you might be a bit short by a few points. I think Cardiac alpha offers the defense buff.
Also, you don't need debuffs to take down an AV. I've done it on my willpower super strength tanker before.
Actually, I easily soloed Mother Mayhem, in the old arc in PI, and almost soloed Babbage(he kept healing back from 5% health to half health slowly for some reason and couldn't finish him off) with only generic level 30 IOs. He was poorly slotted compared to what he could have been.
You just got to put out enough dps and survive the thrashing. -
Quote:I have killed a couple AVs before with Force Field, with Robots.Originally Posted by plainguy
You will not be able to kill a AV with FF. But the upside is they will not be able to kill you. I have tried several times and the best it ends up being is 1/2 way marker before you run out of temp debuffs ( envenom dagger ) to toss at the AV or GM. You just do not have enough potent sustainable debuffs.
Are you talking about Demons/Force Field?
AVs aren't exactly that tough always, and GMs are tougher still.
I was just wondering if Demons would be easier and kill more AVs than Robots probably could. -
Quote:Actually, they would fight anyone. The main symptom of any "anti-whatever" movement is that they usually are just pointing fingers at whatever scapegoat they can to try to justify their point of view.Originally Posted by Golden Girl
who even the red siders would want to fight
The Nazis didn't really hate the Jewish....they hated anybody that wasn't them. After all, even their leader who spouted everything about the "blond-haired and blue-eyed master race" was dark-haired and certainly not a member of his "master race". (Edit: Maybe his end goal was to eliminate dark-haired people so that he was instantly recognizable as the only surviving one, and remembered as such beyond the grave, in some twisted "deification" scheme. We will never know.)
This is why the Resistance has the Crusaders despite them doing horrible things.
"Any lie or despicable act to reach our goal is acceptable." "The ends justify the means."
Both sides in Praetoria are guilty of evil, and as much evil as the other.
The choice in Praetoria is not "Loyalist or Resistance" but "the government or the dissenters" AND "Wardens(good) or Crusaders(evil)" or "Responsibility(good) or Power(evil)".
That is how it is. It's morally gray because both sides have good and evil that you choose between, or do both. -
Quote:huh?Originally Posted by Golden Girl
Your point of view has been that of someone frustrated with being born a century too late, and on the wrong continent
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Quote:1) Devs can and are wrong sometimes.Originally Posted by Golden Girl
So when we'e told by the devs and characters in-game....
2) Devs can and do lie, to hide future content and plot twists or mislead players so that they "don't see it coming" and the plot twist (such as this story) has greater impact.
3) In game characters are "role-playing". They are speaking from a very limited(non-omniscient) point of view with their own biased motivations.
Ask a Loyalist and a Resistance member a question about Cole and you'll get two different answers.
Ask two Resistance members about Cole and you'll get 2 different answers.
Ask two Resistance members about Vanessa DeVore and you'll get 2 different answers, especially if one of them thought she was hot and was shot down trying to get in her pants or whatever other reason he would have to think even slightly different of her than the other person does.
Good storytellers write things in character, even if they are wrong form the omniscient point of view.
That is why I go by actual in game evidence.
In essence "pics or it didn't happen" (my turn to wink )
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Quote:1) "often racism"Originally Posted by Arcanaville
Well, I can definitely stop wondering about it:
Fascism: a governmental system led by a dictator having complete power, forcibly suppressing opposition and criticism, regimenting all industry, commerce, etc., and emphasizing an aggressive nationalism and often racism.
Obviously, that "definition"(used loosely in this case) is including things that are "often" true "but not always".
That is not an absolute definition then and actually depends on what example of the term you are referencing.
2) "forcibly suppressing opposition and criticism"
That is "an action" "performed by" some dictators(yes probably most past ones, but not required to be a dictator) and not a "this condition must be met to be a dictator" statement.
This is especially true of democratically elected dictators(yes this can exist and is the reason for the term "fascist dictator") because the type of government is not linked to how it came to be nor how the financial system operates nor anything except the minimal qualifications, such as "one person holding power" in a dictatorship.
This is how things like "socialism" get twisted and turned into fascism, like with Russia and how it wasn't actually socialist/communist when Stalin controlled everything and had control over property despite supposedly being socialist/communist.
Evil is a moral descriptor, not one irrevocably tied to any one physical system. Even democracies can be evil, which would happen if everyone in a country voted to go attack their neighbors to **** and pillage the land without provocation.
Also, the US is a democracy, and was in Praetoria, but the president has the privilege of declaring war and commanding the military(without a vote), as well as Praetoria's US president deciding all on his own to use nuclear weapons to fight the Devouring Earth despite it also being an action that condemned the people to death who were still not infected.
Praetoria was pretty "evil" even before Cole became president or Emperor, when he was just wandering the world as they thought he was dead.(according to canon)
All I'm saying is "use terms properly" and maybe you will see the objective point of view I have been talking about. -
Quote:Yes please.Originally Posted by TheJazMan
So will there be another way to get celestial armor since we can no longer get the tokens in advance? I really hope you guys put it in the store for 400 points like the other costume sets.
I'll be stopping subscribing, but I would certainly love to be able to buy the sets if I like them.
It would still be a huge VIP perk to get the VIP tier 9 rewards for free instead of in the store. -
Quote:I did try Thugs as my first ever mastermind, and zombies after that, but those pets are so dumb. They were still bugged a lot back when this happened, around issue 8 or so, which is why they were dumb.Originally Posted by Psylenz
There are many combos to argue for: Bots/Traps (debuffs better than FF), Necro/Dark and Necro/Storm are very solid. Thugs/Traps, Thugs/Poison (noxious gas on Bruiser is a formidable weapon). I had an SG-mate with Bots/Traps, so I haven't got around to that, but I will say Bots/Dark is also tough as nails.
Thugs and Zombies also have rather squishy pets compared to Robots.
I like less...."attention-hogging" secondaries as well. The pets require enough attention that it's a little hard to manage a bunch of clicks that have to be used every group of enemies.
I'll have to see about Time Manipulation since I love the concept and the powers look nice with a nice long duration and long recharge and mostly being ally-centric so they stick with you for multiple battles. -
Quote:The multi-month plans are cheaper though so they are a good idea.Originally Posted by enderbean
This was the only reason I switched to a multimonth plan. Guess I'll be switching back.
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Quote:Wow!Originally Posted by Arcanaville
I'm sort of beginning to see you as being evil. From my particular moral perspective, someone saying that fascist dictatorships are morally ambiguous is not standing in a grey area.
That has to be the dumbest thing I have ever seen you post.
Look up the definition of "fascist" and "dictatorship" and neither ever includes the word "evil" or the word "bad" or the other word "wrong".
It's just a different system of government.
Whether it is good or evil is dependent on what actions are taken AND the reasons for those actions because things such as giving a murderer the death penalty is not evil, as it prevents future murders from being done by that person and gives them exactly what they asked for by killing another person("treat others as you want to be treated", so he asked to be killed).
By the way Golden Girl, they did elect Cole, but that doesn't mean they need to reelect him.
(Edit: Our own US government didn't even have presidential term limits until after WW2 when Roosevelt(?) served 4 terms and the government itself - without the people asking for it, since they elected Roosevelt for those extra terms - decided to limit the terms all by themselves.)
Also, our own political leaders voluntarily step down in real life because they don't have a person army or superpowers to be able to hold the office like bad dictators of other countries do.
I bet at least some of them would like to stay in power and do whatever they want. I bet as a group they would do it if they thought they could get away with it. They already spend our money like it is going out of style and then tax us more when they can't budget well. They're behaving like a dictatorship already.
I'm tired of this argument. I'll just continue being a little wiser and objectively viewing things while you people "religiously" denounce him as absolute evil despite any of his actions that would be considered legal or heroic in our own real world that would make him a vigilante, not full villain.
Edit:
You people who think Cole brainwashed Duray into sending a Hamidon seed to Primal Earth so he could just turn around and make himself look like the good guy....
....Stop drinking the coolaid and reading the conspiracy theory newsletters that say aliens are in your ears.
You're so intent on "canon says this" and "canon says that" and yet you read this story and start making up reasons to write Cole off as the mastermind and evil without any prompting.
You're insaaaaaane(em crazyeyes).
At least wait until there is confirmation that your theory is right before claiming it is fact.