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Negative, it is a shame that silence (not posting) is the only option toward expecting accountable responses rather than banter and defensiveness. Blunt words have NEVER been popular, man. That is something I DO know.

This is the point - why does it stir so much aggression? "Just stop!" Get back to RAIDING and having fun with it.

Marut summarized it best - reflect on that.

And for the record, brutha - no-one is BETTER!

Let's chill!

Just Stop! OK? ...Really. Let's get back to fun - everyone can have their issues and misconceptions and whatever - WHO CARES! I certainly don't pay $14.99 times X accounts to have to deal with nonsense on boards. Just chill! Stop making things more than what they are or are intended to be. Jeez.

_back to fun!

_Game ON!

Peterbilt, I believe you may have the chronology of incidents mixed up a bit. My speaking up in any medium where incorrect information has been shared (in an event i've experienced personally) is not an attempt to incite drama. After addressing ONE poster, I was subjected to responding to others that were not mentioned in my initial note.

If you intend to address anyone it should be them - let it go. Nothing has been taken personally on my end - I cannot vouch for others.

Have a great raid everyone.

_All the best.

100% agree - lots of simple things are being taken out of context.

It wasn't an insult, Cherry. As I stated before: I'm really not getting why you're choosing to read into things so heavily in response to me in this thread. My comment about Kat's point was meant in general - you're not the ONLY raid leader who has ever failed. No matter who we are or how good we think we are at something - being prepared etc. applies. This includes myself.

U done now, hun?

I was responding to you - and hadn't addressed you directly before you chimed in on me. So, while you're at it - re-read the way you attempted to handle me in this thread. And reconsider.

You can always talk to me live if you have an issues. We've never had a direct communication issue or any drama between you and I. So, how about next instead of us posting we talk directly instead?

_keep it real.

It happens, No matter how experienced or great a raid leader may think they are - it happens, ya know?

Kat's got a point about leadership and it's important that a leader is well organized, prepared and delegates as appropriate. We fail sometimes and we learn from it - that's all part of the fun. At least, that's what i've enjoyed anytime a raid didn't go smoothly. It happens.

And it's ok.

_Game On!

A fair assumption, Cherry. But if we are going to base this zones' trial event on risk vs reward assumptions then consider that it's a larger event than other trials. It may be safe to factor that into our assumptions about why they awarded as many merits. I have never read anything from BaB suggesting that it should be MORE difficult to complete. Just that we aren't raiding as intended. It has been implied (or assumed) that the trial is actually easier to approach than we've perceived it to be with various strategies. Perhaps the trial should be worth more merits than currently awarded. When you think of it that way it adds some perspective.

What if we haven't? And is the statement threatening the norm somehow? Many are finding new ways to approach hamidon by tweaking existing strategies and completion times are shorter and shorter. Have you ever done something new - like reading and writing and at first it seemed hard to do. But as you mastered language arts and applied it - soon it became second nature. It became easier and easier. We're all learning and growing - but you're welcome to discount the statement as you wish.



I'd scratch my head to if I looked at something I didn't understand. Some raids in other formats have taken days and even weeks to plan just the same. It's a matter of getting people together to lead certain positions - people that you know will do a good job. And you want to ensure you have enough time outside of RL to communicate an approach they aren't used to. When you try to belittle the set up you fail to consider those important things. You're experienced, right? Ok, then let's act like it.

Many of us have done (on the fly) raids - it's not a new concept as you know. I support the effort of anyone willing to step up to bring the events forward in the community. Also, something you should know by now because I have support you several times. There is no "HAMI CODE' and you're being silly about my statements in reply to cobalt. Why is that? I challenge a statement he made - that's all it was and was nothing personal. So stop it!

And finally, I made no excuse for not running hamidon raids anymore. It's a pretty weak thing to ride on so you can let that go now. When i'm ready and my schedule allows i'll probably do some - maybe soon.

The Gulliver's Reign concept was a prototype strategy to build around - it allowed us to stand and draw the mito focus in various directions. The idea was to tweek it until we were able to approach hamidon with 14 people in the end.

6 tanks on yellows w/ emps backing them tied HAMIDON DOWN tight while a tank (taunt team) held hamidon directly (That's where 11 tanks came from) - 2 roving kin around the jellow allowed buffed emps to keep all yellow tank taunters standing easily against green, blue and primary yellow cons. IT WORKED! The thing to do next was simplify around that approach - that was the point of Gulliver's Reign (like Gulliver's travel where the human male was tied down by little people all around).

As with anything - you start with the larger idea and chip away at it until you only have what works. It was meant to incorporate the statement by devs that no set AT was necessary during hamidon raids. Unfortunately, for reasons i've mentioned (and reasons you are not privy to) I discontinued with the intention of getting back to it.

As C.L. pointed out (though, his date was off) I posted in my own forums for a Jan 23, 2010 raid. Tons of nonsense has happened since then and those plans changed. So, I will do them again - in my own time (Not yours) as my other priorities permit.

_Now relax.

It's a shame that you "feel" or rather, interpret my message in that way. It has nothing to do with what I stated and meant. You can run raids any way you wish - there are many possibilities as long as you have cooperation.

Again, run it any way you wish - my initial response was to Cob's claim that evac-less raids he's seen have failed. I was offering a correction to that. Stop reading into posts and drawing out the most dramatic references. It isn't necessary.

ok

Sounds good. *thumbs up.

I clearly remember that as well and don't recall you being privy to our private message session unless it was being fed to you directly via text or ventrilo. She and I discussed it - I asked questions and offered suggestions that I believed she was open to. If that was not the case then it's something she could have always told me and I would say nothing to help or give ideas in support.

Again, stop reading into things - Misconception breeds nonsense and gets people, who are removed from the factual details, get riled over nothing. I talk straight and can be blunt at times. So, it's ALWAYS better to ask me what I meant rather than assume my meaning if you take my post offensively in any way.

I agree with that, Amy.

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1. Never make assumptions about my constitution if you DO NOT know me well enough by now, hero. I DID NOT take offense to anything posted. I just have a habit of being blunt and keeping it real with you or anyone else. Respect It!

2. You are wrong, there were several others that use the blue boards that haven’t mentioned anything to defend what I said (other than enforcer – who knows). We had a raid on Oct 26th, 2008 @5pm and that marked an era around the last time I would lead a raid in a good while. I have very clear reasons for why that is.

Not a problem – As I mentioned above regarding “very clear reasons” for not continuing with Hamidon raids was because of that farce. It annoyed me to NO END and I had enough with DRAMA!

I had been fully invested in FILM SCHOOL and wasn’t about to compromise my spare time dealing with nonsense. If my experience, knowledge and experience in the community isn’t appreciated over the 5 to 6 years I’ve contributed then I wasn’t going to allow ANY of those moments to further impact my time. I would only run RAIDS (including motherships – that came later as a hot point) upon request. I tend to think outside the BOX (yea, I said it!) and I continually explore the words of Back Alley Brawler when he posted “raids are not being run as INTENDED.”

So, the approaches I use aren’t from anything I’ve read (even if they have been tried before) because I have always pushed for an easier solution that accommodates the precious time of members of our community. There WAS an attempt that was perceived as an alleged GRIEF! It involved members of the former “TEAM WEB” but it was later resolved as a misunderstanding.

I called that raid and apologized for wasting everyone’s time – that wasn’t the no exit success raid w/out shivans or nukes that I made reference too. In fact, as my boo pointed out to me – It was during a test raid using a PEACEBRINGER with capped HP and insane +regen support that failed because of lack of cooperation with something new minus the alleged griefing situation.

You ask a question you already know the answer to. I’ve said this before (to many across the server) – I approached my raids after tons of personal preparation (because I care about EVERY individual’s PERSONAL time dedicated to helping see it through!). Wasting time and support is NOT my deal – and, those that really know me understand and will attest to this. I did not lead more after the alleged grief session for that reason. In addition, FILM SCHOOL had become my utmost priority – but once I had a handle on my schedule I noticed the rise of the “cool kids nation” and those that followed a set way of doing things or following other servers w/out considering options outside of the box.

That’s the zone I dwell in, man. I’m serious when I say that. I’m still hung up on what Brawler (and whoever else) has said, we are not “approaching Hamidon as intended.”

There is an easier and more efficient way that does not include gimmicks and tricks or exploits. (NOTE: IF ANYONE READS INTO THE LAST STATEMENT AS I’M PUTTING DOWN ANYONE THAT USES SUCH THINGS FOR THEIR WIN – I’LL SAY PERSONALLY THAT THAT FRAME OF THOUGHT IS ALONG THE LINES OF IDIOCY – so, DO NOT. Imply that I mean anything other than WHAT I POST or SAY!).

Nor, was there any specific point meant in me saying it other than to say that I APPROACHED HAMIDON SUCCESSFULLY w/out those factors. I’ll add that I would like to encourage more to think along the lines of dominating this TRIAL w/out the use of anything other than what was intended to succeed.

Why? Because newer players would benefit from that experience and in-game knowledge, which, increases their play skill, efficiency and reliability overall = fun factor x10. THAT is my POINT!

It is NOT a sign of “SENSELESS EGO STROKING” our members and former raid leaders have often gone to other servers to check out how they were doing things – MARUT included. You do remember “MARUT” don’t you? Even though he and a good few others back in the day approached and tested Hamidon raids before the revision – he had been given the moniker “FATHER OF HAMIDON” on Champion Server.

Though, many supported and contributed to successful raid findings (which, were NOT AVAILABLE) by devs – MARUT and many others later on – including Criticalkat – carried on the service to the Champion population to encourage others to lead and compromised countless hours of their time to host HAMIDON RAIDS for the benefit of the community at large.

In fact, she (criticalkat) is the one who first hit me up and said, “so, when are you going to run a Hamidon raid” and because of the bug she planted in my ear I did organize Hamidon Raids for quite a while – and most successfully. I did encounter a couple of losses here and there but I retain a 97% WIN with Hamidon raids. EVEN MARUT has had his share of losses and that’s all part of the equation with expanding on new IDEAS and trying new things MOST people aren’t considering.


Celestial Lord
Actually, it was back in 2008 – 2009 October 26th. The problem with Gulliver’s Reign is that it involved an initial team setup comprising of:

11 tanks (with Ranged Taunt)
8 emps (2 of these must have all emp powers recall and REZ) + (All else must have ranged Healz/REz)
3 kin (1 of these needs recall) + (others need flight) + (all need sb/density)
2 scrappers (flight preferred)
1 Targeter (flight)
1 Bubbler (holds)
1 Arrow (holds)
1 Dark (defender)
1 4 Controllers w/ aoe healing/buffs/debuffs (holds)

I had to organize a week or more in advance in order to get the players I networked with, who had the AT’s and powers specs I outlined in order for it to be a success on Oct, 26,2008. My POINT was that IT WORKED! And it ROCKED!
But, once again, IT IS NOT (according to brawler) how the raid was intended to be run. And to this day! WE STILL have not (allegedly) run HAMIDON RAIDS as easily (but challenging) as they were designed). So, that’s something I’m exploring and trying to run on test server so that our time on LIVE isn’t wasted if I’m the leader of a Hamidon Raid.

I also want it GRIEF proof when I return to it again. It won’t be what I’ve seen others do lately unless they’ve figured out the “correct format” according to devs. You’ll just have to respect that concept, C.L.

Amygdala
Agreed – it certainly was NOT my point!

Right, the raids were designed so that ANY A.T. could be used. There STILL has NOT been a solid strategy on approaching this challenge efficiently. There are wins (I take NOTHING FROM THAT) but there is a BETTER and more EFFICIENT way for our time – it just has to be explored.

You’re correct, however, the principle strategies have not changed much. That’s part of the problem – I’m testing new ideas soon and it won’t be based on what other servers have done or what we are currently incorporating with the Hamidon Trial. As I mentioned above – FILM SCHOOL is my priority but I will lead again soon.

There is NO confusion. I WAS NOT implying that NUKES were being used all this while - you forget that I had been to a couple of your raids? C'mon!

My response and purpose were to merely indicate that contrary to what I have read there were evac-less (I call them No-Exit) raids that failed – it, in fact, has been done successfully and without the use of tricks, gimmicks, exploits of any kind.

I was made aware more recently that ANOTHER server (s) had done a version of no-exit for some time. You have to remember that I DO NOT frequent boards (because of drama) and I DO NOT borrow IDEAS – and I do NOT play another players game. I PLAY MINE! And I play to what is consistently fun, endurable and productive for the community at large.

That is the core of United Heroes Brigade and the founder thereof.

It’s really not so complicated – trust me.


This is something I wholeheartedly agree with and it was well communicated, Amy. I am an advocate for all that you have posted in this paragraph. You know this personally – or, you SHOULD by now. Nevertheless, let’s not be delusional in thinking that some HAVE NEVER posted accomplishments for attention or acknowledgement in ANY forum. It DOES happen.

My statement about NOT POSTING things for attention is a personal choice – I DO NOT care to be recognized for my contributions to the community on any server. Individual experience are more important as we impact the server as practitioners (people interacting/helping PEOPLE) and we HOPE the end result if FUN and good memories to share ACROSS THE BOARD.

Members of the Brigade, past and present (with any sense) can never deny that this is something I have preached for the past 5 years of the guilds' life in CoX. The integrity of the UHB reflects on my own personal values and those that remain part of it are ONLY those people that the motto (Honor Before Glory) resonates with.

Yes, we have many amazing contributors on Champion server that have offered countless hours of their personal time towards teaming opportunities, contests and more. I have always commended that effort and initiative but NEVER at the expense of sustaining more important events in their lives.

My point in saying that is – no matter what effects we contribute here in our mmorpg medium – we MUST consistently support the personal development in those we impact through this genre. So, they are inspired to be and do better for themselves and contribute to the society around them.

When it’s all said and DONE… When the end of cox is near, we should all be looking back and saying, “wow, what a ride! I never wasted any moment of my precious time in life because I’ve learned new things and found great aspiration and encouragement among friends I may never meet in my lifetime. And we should say – “it was worth every penny.”

Honor Before Glory!
@Leader of the Brigade

I have to DISAGREE with this statement cobalt! You were present when I ran my "Gulliver's Reign" strategy and the brigade held most of taunt (6 tanks) on yellow mitos with support (6 empaths) and roving kinetics (2 kin) - this was a no retreat strategy back when most were very accustomed to running back to the rocks and you said to me directly that you didn't see it working out - but were optimistic and curious to see how it went.

At the end you send me a tell congratulating me on the strategy and the win for Champion. I only did this twice on the server - the problem for me has always been that most outside of the "cool kids" box do not accept a better or alternative way of approach to these things as simple as they are.

There were many witnesses there (current blue board posters) including "pops" aka - agro vader and others. So, i'm not sure what failures you're making reference to on evac-less raids, brutha. The one I ran and tried to teach to others was a definite WIN! It wasn't a dragged on raid either (given that we had so many questioning the method).

- No nukes, shivans or any other gimmicks were used during "Gulliver's Reign." It's also something that I never posted because I don't care for attention - I just do things! And rep the community as the founder of the Brigade.

Again, unless i'm misunderstanding the statement above - it's a lie! You were there!

At no point in any conversation between Fel and I did I state or indicate that "UHB and AOW" will show blank and blank how it's done. I want that to be clear because there are several of you that just love to say we're cool behind the scenes then you go out and blow anything we've talked about into the stratosphere and say you're upset with me or I did you wrong. I'll be honest in saying that those are the kinda people that make me sick! I was asked a question: "have you done this before?" And I replied, "yes, but I do it (the raid) differently". I went on to describe my approach during that chat and again, at no point, did I suggest or put down our Tuesday's impromptu raid. In fact, I fully supported the process and even stated "i'm playing my position" and did so til the end. Any good leader understands when it's time to follow and I was happy to do so with respect to Cherry's lead.

The drama isn't necessary and I especially do not appreciate my handle being used to give credence to B.S. that shouldn't be going on in the first place. All of you should be invested in having a good time at all costs using this medium - As a war vet (for all you CNN watchers) I can tell you that there are greater tragedies in this world than this to harp on. But while you're here i'm sure we would all be happier if you do not waste our time with pettiness.

Chins up, Champions! Raids fail and there are always some challenges to grow from. And for those that haven't seen my no retreat raid I hope you'll grace us with your support and participation when I start them after the New Year. And to be clear, it's something I intended to do anyways and IS NOT part of any "OH, WE'RE GONNA SHOW THEM" drama type B.S. Those that know me already know that's not my style. The 'no exit' strategy (I call Gulliver's Reign) was done long before this with the assistance of Cobalt (Targeting), Force (lead tank team) and many other great community players. We'll do them again soon as a community.

Stay Blessed!

Hmmm...

Sweet... i'm gonna have to check that out as well.. thx Kya

You'll have to keep in mind that this is a suggestion, not a tiff or any excuse for someone to pick a fight. Perhaps it would be more beneficial to aim your question toward the devs instead of trying to invalidate my suggestion by questioning my technical experience with game design and animation. The devs would be the best source to respond as to, if, and what, challenges "they" face by filling in the ninja run animations. Do you know what goes into the animation process? If so, share - if your interest is in educating everyone. That would be great!

Not to mention, if you're superbly impressed as the power stands, imagine how you'd be wow'd when it's more fluid. I'm a DVFP student and I work with game animators. I understand that the ninja run animation tweak i'm suggesting can happen even though it wouldn't be high priority.

Hopefully they'll give it another look - i've subscribed to Cox day one (along with many other old school Cox supporters) and enjoy the product and the work the devs and designers have put into it. This suggestion is fair and reasonable.

-appreciated.