Scootertwo

<sits down with his popcorn>

Why did you kick my stunt double?

How can she have even a bad hold of it when she's not touching it? I wasn't even making a comment about whether or not she was gonna hit the girl.

You aren't the only one who can have OCR.

Really so there's no way possible that it could be something else.

Then I wonder what the girl in the bottom of this pic looked like just moments after the photo was taken.

or this guy

Now imagine the ball is more to his right and he has to shift his weight that direction to catch the ball. They aren't the same exact pose but close enough to shoot holes in your theory.

I never said that MI didn't fall over after the catch...the point was she made the catch, protecting the little girl.


In your opinion, I'm not saying it doesn't look like that, it clearly does. I'm just saying there are other possiblities.

No you don't have lower yourself slowly if it's not your intention to stay upright. Trust me as I said I spent time in my back yard attempting to mimic this on my own, I fell over every time.

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While this position does give good lateral (side to side) stability any little bump from the front or behind (much less a barrel) and you will fall... try it out if you are unsure.

See above comments about falling over.


Smartest thing you said in your critique.

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you have been given some excellent advice and good critiques by some very talented people both on here and DA, you should go back and read them all 5x

I have, I even have them committed to memory

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(even if it is unpleasant to you)

I appreciate technical critiques and they are not meant personally I do on a regular basis.

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By not taking the time to correctly read and understand their words I think honestly you are the one making the mistake my friend.

Honestly, now that you pointed it out I can't not see the body building pose.

Just as I expect and want to get critiques on anything I do, as a critiquer(?) you should expect your critiques to be critiqued.

I appreciate the constructive criticism from a technical stand point. Maybe it would have been received better if you had said:

"It looks likes she's doing a body building pose." (image of bodybuilder)

"If you don't want it to look like that maybe change the angles of her legs like this."

(image with red lines over it with the changes you would do.)

Approach determines response.

I look forward reading more critiques from you, in fact from other artists as well. Clutch PM'd me a website that does just that I think might go check it out.

I showed this to the Fiance`...her response I like the heart the background. >.>
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Thanks I will freely admit I rushed the back ground. I got done with the figures and thought it needed more.

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The Pose: Here is where it breaks down somewhat in my opinion. It does not look to me like Ms. Impossible is going to strike the child with the barrel because it is behind her head and she doesn't have a good hold of it..

Stop right there for a second.

1. the barrel isn't even to Miss Impossible (MI) yet, infact it's still in motion.

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however what I do see when I stand back and look at the piece is Professional Female Body Building Tournament. Her pose is a half split, double bicep front, with leg extended which is a classic pose used during competitions... it's essentially this. Everything right down to the finger splaying

2. I hadn't even seen anything like that. Or if I did i don't remember it. so assuming that I did is your mistake not mine.

I do alot of acting out different positions of the stuff I draw. So before pen touched tablet I was out in the back yard trying to find a really dramtic pose that looks like it's not posed but in motion. which leads me to

3.the hands along with the body pose I tried to figure out what my hand would like if I were to throw my arms to catch something behind my head after just landing on the ground. my hands looked similar to that in the mirror.

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While female bodybuilding can be a good source for reference pics of strong women you shouldn't copy the poses exactly or it will show. Don't shy away from changing stuff up a bit to make it better fit the look you are trying to achieve.

4. good advice now that I know there is such a thing as that.

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I would think unless Ms. Impossible was supremely confident she could deflect the barrel without even seeing it coming that she would be facing the threat she is intending to stop instead of facing the child.

5. the problem with that is MI doesn't have time to turn around and stop the barrel. this is essentially one panel in a series and I may one day finish the page. But allow me to explain the sequence of event moments beforethis image.

MI was fighting a large group of freaks in a back alley. before she can subdue one of the Swiper Tanks he takes off out of the alley hang a sharp right and starts to run down the street. MI dropps the last one still in the alley and starts to pursue the runaway, who is about 100-150 yards ahead of her, yelling after him to stop or he will just go to jail tired and broken. This genius not wanting to get caught grabs a barrel and delibrately hucks at the daycare to distract MI. She turns on the juice and intercepts the barrel before it hits a little girl.

What you see is MI entering the frame from our right moving at high speed to catch the barrel. I chose to have her catch it versus hitting it out of the way to prevent it from hitting anyone or anything else.

6.I'd love someone to redline it so it still has a sense of motion and a body position that doesn't (unintentionally) looks like a body builder pose.

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That would put her back to us and would read as more protective since she would also appear to be "defending the viewer" from the incoming object as well. Also you could get some really nice dramatic effect by casting the shadow of the incoming barrel across the little girl to show it would indeed strike her were it not for the save from Ms. Impossible.

Agreed but then how could you tell who it was?

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All around a good effort, keep at it Scooter.

Again thank you.

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P.S. I agree with Caemgen on the story bit. You will know you're onto something good when your images "read" correctly to people with little or no input from you.

If this was more than just a piece to try to figure out how to show a strong muscular woman that was still pretty and feminine. I would have done the entire page. i think that would have solved a lot of the "mis-reading"

Not true...I have two level 50's on justice and a half dozen not 50's..and before you say anything bith 50's were leveled on Justice. so