RocketLegend

you could ask them? sure they could lie, but I'm always willing to let people know what they are up against.

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this post was so beautiful I had to quote it from the general discussion forum:

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...CoH isn't that bad of course but I got this game because it WASN'T that bad, it was a breath of fresh air from the loot whores, crafting sinks, and uber leetness of "I have a +5 shiny sword and you don't!" That is very reason why i avoid WoW and EQ2 like the black death.

So when I find out that the 45+ game is EQ in tights with Hami raids nonstop for the best goodies, i'm more then a little pissed, before you even start taking PvP implications into consideration.

If you want that BS fine and dandy, but keep your phat lewtz out of coh and away from me. Down with loot in any form I say, it's corrupting what's a great game.

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well i think the post is garbage because idealistically i enjoy the stuff he doesn't. fact is he doesn't HAVE to be part of it. he can ignore it and just fight folks he knows arent Ham-hanced.

or you can choose your opponents carefully.

I dunno about you, but as a lover of strategy games, the hamidon is much more fun for me than playing alts, sweeping, or missions. Maybe its not everyones cup of tea, and heck, is basically yesterdays news (it has become so easy to do, even the mito clearing) but still - its some of the best CoH has to offer. at least before liberty spoonfed everyone a strategy to beat it.

then don't fight those who you know are raiding hamidon. problem solved. stop crying because you aren't the most powerful hero out there.

and trust me, there is nothing common or unheroic about taking down the hamidon. even if you have honed it into a science.

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So to play in PvP vs. hamidon equipped heroes (which I have now seen posts talking about 6 slotting Hamidon enhancers), I have to 6 slot

Elude
FF, Evasion, FS
Agile, Dodge, Lucky
Weave

That's 8 powers and 40 slots I have to put into Defense (not counting the 8 inherent ones) giving me about (drumroll) +173% def, 148% vs. AOE? By my math, it is 64% from SR toggles/passives, 25% from Weave, and 84% from Elude. (4 recharges on perma Elude, 2 for def; 5 def for all toggles, 1 End redux, 6 Def for all passives).

3 Hamidon dual accuracy/damage will get you +150% Acc, Dam.

That leaves me 13 slots to assign to all attacks at level 45, assuming 5 go to Hasten. 2 attacks 6 slotted, 1 3 slotted.

All because Hamidon can be farmed. Yeah that seems balanced to me.

Would the Twilight Avengers rather have Ochimo MA/SR (who can't afford to take Phase Shift)? Or Calibos, my Kinetic/Dark defender? Like I said, the nature of the Hamidon raid means that any non-SG member is going to be solely evaluated on their benefit to the raid, and SR does not benefit Hamidon raids nearly as well as regen.

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well TA doesn't take non-SG members on raids, so you would have to apply and be accepted. But we would be cool with either AT. I do agree that there should probably be a +50% defence Hami-O to counter the accuracy H-Os... maybe a strait Def/End enhancement would be enough to balance out the number crunching. (or you can bring along a drak or radiation defender to debuff their accuracy, but i digress)

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My SG is only 25 people strong, and we dont want to get too much bigger

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TA routinely does it with around 21 toons. without nemesis staves, utilizing all ATs. I would suggest that you guys just aren't exploring your options.

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Looks like to me that the easy solution for States and crew now is to program into the arena rules interface the ability to shutdown HOs, then noone need complain that they only lost because the other guy has all HOs installed..

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And I see no problem at all with this. If the Hami users want "a challenge" as they say, then why not put yourself in the same class as the your competition.

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By extension, the scenario you propose means the only equitable solution is to remove all enhancements from everyone in the matches. Your Training, DO's, or SO's...gone. Their HO's...gone. Fortunately the Dev's realize this is not the answer because it removes the uniqueness each player worked so hard for.

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No offense intended, and I do see where you are coming from, however, intentional nor no, you may have been stretching the example a little wee tiny smidge of a bit too far. You can log on with the appropriate level, walk/run/fly/Teleport/Superjump/swim to the nearest enhancer store, can you not?

With TO/DO/SO's, ALL players in the game have access to them, provided they have met the proper Security Level.

For example...do all level 12's have access to DO's? Yes, the store is right there.

For example...do all level 22's have access to SO's? Yes, the store is right there.

For example...do all 45+'s have access to HO's?

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Twilight avengers usually has at least 2 SR scrappers at most of their raids. All ATs are usefull. ALL of them.

And there are Hami def buff HOs... two of them I believe. one targetted for popable defences, one targetted for toggle defence. Sure theres a hard cap for PvE at 95% defence, but whose to say you can't spec out your defences above the cap to counterbalance those that max out their accuracy?

Basically it comes back down to weahter you have what it takes to take down the hamidon.