Razor_Shultz

show me a link that says banes are build entirely for team play. BTW hi, let's forget about earlier, yes i was a little touchy, sorry.

ALL AT's should be able to solo effectively, if they can't, NCNC suck at catering to the needs of different types of players.

well then banes need a complete revamp.

why should i have to team to survive? that's the problem with banes, their soloability, any AT is remotely good in a team.

That's some good trial and error, but still has ANYONE found a solid playstyle that lets banes absolutely mow down a bunch of mobs whilst still standing/with a degree of safety?

I won't damn the devs 10 miles beyond hell, but please plixy plox buff them. Again, nice points made, and i actually never thought about the res to smashing/lethal and KB that mobs get 40+. Thanks for giving me something else to think about, i hope it was brought to the devs attention as well!.

I hope it won't get WORSE as i go 40+.

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what you also have to take into account is Assassin strike is unresisted whereas Executioner strike is resisted and since its smashing damage with a hint of toxic, 40+ is gonna be hell.

Regards

Spider

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nooooo...why do u have to make sense allthe tim :X

Banes better get a beasty ol' buffing then!

nah, but why are u trying to make me angry? internets are serius buziness we all know, and u seem to miss out the smiley i included in my post, in an attempt to make me sound like i was getting riled, (fail). all in good fun boy please don't come into my thread and turn it into some l337 riddled spamfest. thanks. But really, i should leave it like it is, otherwise im just gonna keep feeding the troll and giving him stuf to quote in his posts.
It's pretty evident by the fact you havn't said much related to the topic. *adds to ignore*

I appreciate it when people stay on topic, and don't troll into a forum trying to make attacks on age, (i'm in college, been there for 2 years) not a kid, from backseat moderators who feel high and mighty get off ur interwebz high horse and say something smart. kthx.

But since i don't spam, i'm going to add another thought with this, and that is yeah, 'fine' is what people are thinking about their damage, but it's their survuvability. The general consensus seems to be their survivability against hard hitting bosses is the problem.

Thanks again for all the intelligent posts in this topic.

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Asking them to respond is asking them to respond. Have a nice evening.

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I can read too, and yes i was asking them to respond, did i ever say i wasn't? no. Don't get pedantic with me boy, because i can outlast anyone when it comes to nit-picking their words

to shannon, i couldn't agree more. I don't like elitists, i am n00b friendly, and when we were n00bs we all endured much persecution, so they can expect the same. But i always do my best to help people, even though i rarely meet new players in villains.

Anyways, you've said alot of [censored] that makes great sense, and is clear to see, and i think ebon is also right about the fact banes have ubar range defense, but focus on melee. O.o

some nice points made people ^^

Don't backseat moderate. If the devs want to give me a slap on the wrist for being naughty, they are perfectly capable of it.

The title of this thread isn't 'positron answer NAO!' and i did believe i wasn't being unreasonably impolite.

And no, they don't regularly read the boards.

I don't mind being held accountable for what i do; i'm english, so slate away at me .

I do however, want some response from devs about what they're doing to buff up banes.

EDIT: Take a look at this topic on bane spiders from the US forums, it appears some americans are having the same thoughts as us, and are calling for a buffing! the topic has alot of reception as well!

http://boards.cityofvillains.com/showfla...=0#Post10786127

they might as well ignore the polite soft people, as well, see what i mean? the devs won't consider anything they say either, but yes i see ur point.

I;m not someone who madly swears and curses without good reason, or talks [censored] all the time, i just swear a lot is all :<

Anyways, back on topic, i wonder what buffs we could expect...just downloaded the patch on live, for when the issue gets put out i can play it right away...

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The reason agression is needed is because the devs simply won't take notice of peaceful disscusion. It's the same with pacifists; no one takes them seriously.

We need to swear and shout and make ourselves heard in this matter, because we're even MORE screwed simply because they'll ask the US players what they think, and leave the less important EU til last.

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Several devs have pointed out recently (and historically) that they do not listen to the shouting and aggression filled posts. Castle even put 50 forum users on ignore in one weekend when the US forums got a bit too...fruity. I would say well presented reasoned discussion (although it may not be as attention grabbing) is far more likely to get your views considered seriously.

That said, I do agree that our voices are not heard over here. I'm sure GhostRaptor is forwarding good points over, but its not the same exposure as a US poster can get towards the Devs. Users can even send PMs to Castle et al. On the other hand, even the US posters dont always get their voices heard. Denizens of the corruptor boards across the Atlantic had been pointing out that the cost of their traps was too high for well over a year, and it is only now being fixed.

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then lol @ devs. I think ur one of the mild mannered people, but i am however, an impatient, intolerant, agressive unpleasant and generally a mean person, you probably wouldn't like me if we met .

Most people in the world are either like me, or even bigger [censored] holes. It's hard to be nice :<.

The devs may say they don't take notice, but i bet they say that just to make people be nicer, yes i do say stuff about them, but praf, and syracause have been the ones providing good reasoned argument ^^

banes are melee oriented, i don't think i'll take many ranged powers other than mace blast; it's single target, which is how i prefer to fight, and im taking all my melee powers.

Their attacks are so good in terms of fun, and especially the bone crunching sound effects. Let me reiterate, banes are melee fighters, yet like so many have stated, their best defense is ranged.

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I admit that Banes are very squishy and that their attacks dont echo their defence in that they do alot of damage in melee but have more defence against ranged, that said I look forward to trying to work out a viable build like I did for my Stalker.

Its nice to finally have a challanging build since my Last main was a Claws/SR stalker, I mean Banes have so many things that set them apart and yes they are not balanced but as has been so popularly stated alot of things in this game arn't balanced, but are at that same token still fun.

I also wish that the ferocity would just end, why is everyone decending into venomous words when this is a Discussion about the potential plusses and minuses of an AT from an MMORPG, at the end of the day its only a game, there is no need to get angry and abusive over it.

just my two inf

Regards

Spider

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Ah the age old phrase it's only a game; used in an attempt to diminish the seriousness of a disscussion.

If i get into something, i see it through very seriously until the end, i don't care if it's a game. Call me petty but meh.

The reason agression is needed is because the devs simply won't take notice of peaceful disscusion. It's the same with pacifists; no one takes them seriously.

We need to swear and shout and make ourselves heard in this matter, because we're even MORE screwed simply because they'll ask the US players what they think, and leave the less important EU til last.

And i agree with stalkobot, it's their soloability (i like that word) that i'm worried about. pvping solo and more importantly pvping solo is my primary concearn. I hope the devs do figure out a suitable buff, i hope some of u guys are emailing ur suggestions to Nc NorCal about this. ^^

In that case. let's start afresh, if u like people who solo, i can bring myself to like u! U've made some great points, but to be honest, u can scream this, spoon feed this to me and every nub who plays the game, but the only people who NEED to hear it are those coward devs who just ware afraid to let some villain class be good. i mean EXCELLENT.

The devs will NEVER, NEVER move this game on creatively unless they create (not unfair) big, big changes to the speed and style of play, maybe not for the odler AT's which have been set in stone, but creating great roles for new ones.

Another thing, no game is balanced. I'm sure some people would love to see un-petted MM's doing the same damage as brutes, but there ya go. Not balanced or equal.

The game is defined by the difference and variety in the AT's, and yes the devs have been great in making sure they match up well against each other, but ae NOT equal.

For example, any blaster could crush a brute, but if a brute gets close, build up + pow = dead.

Devs need to find a way to make VEATs the first step into a hugely new and more creatively developed play style for villains, they [censored] up khelds, time to try again.

Making an AMAZING class might not seem the way to do it for some, but new AT's are what people cream themselves over.

U didn't see anyone saying 'omg there's gonna be new IO's in i13 zomg!' or crying because there wasn't any in i12.

Dammit devs, do ur jobs.

If ur talking about our 'stand up' comedy routine earlier, as u put it, i have no idea who u were, or are, but what praf said about u put u into a really bad light for me. If u REALLY do hate people who solo, then i stand by what i say.

However i like to consider myself an open minded person, and i don't know why u'd care about what other people say, or if u do, but good going on the comback.

I'm tew naab to know how to properly fix this, but it doesn't take a brain scientist or a rocket surgeon to work out that the nerf has hurt owie.

it's their ability to stand head to head with bosses and up is what im concearned more about, their damage should be upped too good sugestions ^^

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it would matter because being a good team buffer doesn't help when ur soloing relentless.

I'm sure even the incompetent devs at NC NorCal can make a build which works for people who want to team, AND those who don't.

Right now i'm not seeing much evidence of that.

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having mind link AND their scalar for manuevers would make them the best veat team buffer and raise their game up to at least the levels of the fortunata, NW and crab making it a defensive powerhouse both solo and teamed

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Sounds good to me ^^ I just want them to be as soloable as the other AT's. Considering they answer directly to lord recluse, i would have thought banes would be the best, not [censored].

it would matter because being a good team buffer doesn't help when ur soloing relentless.

I'm sure even the incompetent devs at NC NorCal can make a build which works for people who want to team, AND those who don't.

Right now i'm not seeing much evidence of that.

i'll take crabs for their ranged ownage, i WISH i had an account on the US forums to make my voice heard there.

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On most veats, most definately on a bane spider (as they seem to be lacking the most in teams, and solo), I would heavily consider stacking Assault with the power pool version, so that you have a high damage buff to you and your team, increasing at least team efficiency. If I stack nothing else on my VEAT it will be Assault, sod the end... lol

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i don't care about teams, i want banes to be able to solo, that's my complaint. I WILL NEVER say 'right, let's tailor my character to work well with 7 other peeps'

I want a solo build through and through. Anyone who can solo can team, it's just logic. If something is good by itself it can't be bad with others. True i may not offer more toggles or bonuses to my team, but hey why do i care, i'm there for inf, exp and to kill stuff.

i thought crabs were ranged? so how the hell am i supposed to kill stuff? -.- and bash is a good compliment to shatter and pulverize :O

i guess i'll concentrate on taking the defense

EDIT: died a 2nd time

I got destroyed by 1 boss (purple of course) i executioner striked him, placated, then pulverized him, but by that time he'd KB'd me 90 feet and was wailing on me, took me down in about 3 hits.

EDIT: was a lone boss btw, solo paper mission.

Right u are, the devs WILL ALWAYS bow down to heroes when they complain about something.

EDIT: placate nerfed to only 44 secs, its ok i guess, beter than 60 but its still not as good as 10 ^^