QuiJon

Then by that definition NO ONE needs purples. So either lets get rid of them all together or lets balance out the ability for ALL players of ALL playstyles to earn them equally.

Now also with the new SSK system, people might be playing thier 50s more often, and on exempt purples are the only IO sets that degrade when exempting. So right there is a viable reason why a player that is running normal game and mission content as intended would like to see a purple set in their build here and there.

I guess my point is that if purples grant buffing that is not needed to play the game, then NO ONE needs the buffs. SO the argument that they should be only there for the uber building farmers and not the standard player (trying to avoid casual, many people put in time like a farmer, but arent farming) is really moot. If only outrageous builds need them, and those builds far exceed what is needed to play the game, then infact purples are game breaking content and should be removed.

You know the uber player doenst need purple either. So that arguement goes right out the window. Purples are a plus, i agree. NO build needs them and in some cases i feel that the purple bonuses are not as nice as some of the standard IO sets. However they are in the game. There is no reason to make them something that only one class of player will ever see.

100 recipies is not easy. It would mean the game guarentees that 1 percent of your drops when you get to level 47 are purple drops. Not that they will be able to be used by you, or that they are what you want. It would not effect the natural drop rate of the recipies, would not slow down those that earn them more frequently then that. It would simply be something tangible like tickets or merits that can be looked forward to awarding from time to time.

I would imagine that most people dont earn much more then a couple hundred recipies going from level 30-50. So when you figure that purples cant even drop until your 47, I dont find that to be a drop rate that doesnt require HARD work. All it means is that your hard work will EVENTUALLY give you a reward. Why should a player that likes to run TFs or SFs or SG teams etc. hard work have less of a chance to earn a reward then the hard work of someone that takes one mission and spends hours a night doing nothingbut killing the same mobs over and over agian?

LOL i was thinking the exact same thing, but substitute 2 for 4.

How about just a purple unique that eliminates the supression from attacking completely. That would be a fun one to track the prices on the market for.

If there is still trick or treating can we please get it evened out. Just randomly make the chance of all the groups spawn equally, make all the kill badges the same number and just let it run. You spend more time waiting for that last ghost or whatever to spawn then you do earning the badges.

Which was kinda my point. Wether i have 2 accounts running or 1, my ability to farm and solo at +8 basicly increases my chances of getting a drop. Further increasing that is finding a mission that solos massive groups that can be dispatched easily. Say like that Nemsis base in the shard in the RWZ mission. Very fast to rinse and repeat.

Where a person with character built for more casual teaming, or atleast that are not going to be handling +8 mobs spawns is going to have a slower time getting drops. Or say someone running TFs will be sharing them more with teams etc etc.

What it does is make a "good way" to earn drops and a "hard way" to earn them. There really should be some system like a strike breaker that awards a drop no matter what at say every 100 recipies. This way it wont increase the probability of a drop, can reset so it wont effect the drops of those that are already earning them fast, but gives something that a casual player can count on without being forced into changing his habits or preffered method of play.

I actually wasnt even reffering to the market costs but the mechanic of getting a natural drop.

And frankly i as well dont know of a way to fix it and keep them rare, im just saying that the ability to earn one goes up depending on how you play. Those that are more prone to farming (and i am not saying i dont farm by any means) will have a higher chance to recieve one. Maybe not mathematicly on the perchance, but killing more things fast, will earn one faster based on getting more chances.

So if 2 players log in for 2 hours each. One runs mission, one farms the same mission over and over. One is geared toward more team play, one has a build set up specificly to farm a certian map or instance, the one that is farming is going to have more of a likely chance that in that same 2 hours they would earn a drop.

Now notice i said "EARN" a drop. I am not saying the drop is not earned, i am simply saying that the reward structure rewards some more often then others, simply off how they choose to spend their time. It would be nice if something could be aranged that equaled that out somewhat. Like a merit purchase for a random purple, or ticket purchase, or even just an equalizer like every so many X recipies if you havent earned a purple you automaticly get a random drop of one on your next recipie.

I dont kill myself for purples, and i certianly dont think the cost of them on the markets is worth it IMO. However I think especially in a game who's no. 1 strenght always was being casual friendly, something should be done to help casual players with rewards. And frankly more drops making it to the market couldnt hurt anyone really. Even those selling the recipies might make less per sale, but the cost of building their toons will go down also as the supply increases.

Give all your customs the standard attacks atleast. Then on your difficulty slider choose to not face bosses if alone. then even if your going to team, spawn the map alone set for 8 heroes, at whatever level your comfortable with, but i say atleast even. ALL the bosses become Lts. anyway. Then instead of just running blindly into mobs, use the terrian. Agro, find a corner that forces the ranged players into melee to get a target on you. It might take a few more minutes a run, but you will probably cap faster for tickets since Lts are worth about 3 times what a minion is worth.

Plus if i recall your not even 50 yet. So if your going to farm for tickets you might as well get some xp return for it. And Lts are definately better xp as well. Even if it takes 2-3 foot stomps instead of 1, the xp for a lt makes up for additional time spent.

Gonna send some ideas on PM,

However, if you drop any enemy groups attacks or defense bellow that of the 'standard' selection of powers, the entire enemy is worth nothing. Frankly minions and Lts. should not be that hard to kill. And being that you can select in the dificulty slider to avoid boss spawns, i see no reason to make a map that is going to make useless enemies for you to have to kill.

Foot stomp recharges relatively fast, as does burn, and if your account is over 12 months old you can get Sands Of Mu for a second aoe attack. And one that doesnt get debuffed during the rage down time as well. But with a rage cycle running i find still hits reliably well to be worth the end use.

Not deleting characters on the whole, but the OPer, atleast to me, sounded like she liked the characters or build choices, just deleted them on the basis that she didnt play them to their current level. Which sounded like maybe low 30s. I would be willing to guess that you spend about 75 percent of playing a character to 50 playing them from 32-50. That is when xp starts getting serious.

The poster IMO sounded like he/she was basicly saying that he/she was deleting the characters to basicly re-role some of them so they could be played legit throught he whole game. I find that stupid. I know that means i guess in retrospect of reading it. But I guess with my play likes/dislikes, i would commonly level a toon by "alternate" means up to atleast 22 or so anyway. I still find i have plenty of time to get to know the character, make a connection with playing it, earn my badges, earn my cape, aura, do STs etc. And with SSK and earning xp on exempt, its not like she couldnt go back and do anything she really felt she missed, and do it with 5 extra levels of powers.

Like i said i can respect its her toons to do what she wants, i personally, just find that even if i just dont like a character i dont delete it if i have room to role new toons. You never know. Just think how many people say they deleted dominators int he mid 20s-30s because they didnt like the damage and stuff, only to have those issues fixed and have to start over after issues were fix with domination changes.

LOL That last sentence has earned a response.

Ok i have a tanker that is fire/ss so i know your pain kinda. First off make custom mobs. My person choice is fire/regen. You can usally mix between standard and hard sets as you like and keep about 87 percent xp. Pick melee as the modifier and then fire melee. Make a boss, but if your running solo you can have him not spawn by simply leaving the no spawn bosses alone option on. But Minions and Lts up to +2-3 levels shouldnt be to hard for you tohandle if they are using all fire attacks.

Burn is a pain before you get the immb at level 41. So basicly use corners as much as possible. Burn causes fear, fear makes them run. But i find if you mix as match the agro of two groups, (mean agro one group and then another, keeping a mix of the mobs from each within your agro cap) then find a corner to get behind and out of line of sight. Your herd will follow you, and being that you are still keeping agro on members of each group, as you do damage and kill them off, i find that more come running to you as there is new room made under your agro cap. Its not perfect, but it seems to work for me ok. And keeping out of sight then requires the mobs to follow you so they cant stop and just fire from range.

i have found a map that is capping at 742 tickets for a large map, smaller map is capping higher i dont understand it and dont see a dev post about the change anywhere.

Set the mission and difficulty to as high as you want but keep "no bosses when alone" selected. Spawn the map alone, meaning go into the map, and actually run through it to trigger all the spawn points. The bosses will spawn as Lts since your alone. Then after its spawned invite your team, if your running iwth one.

Though its slower, ipretty muh find that i can run fighting lts and minions at +4s. The bosses i can handle fighting and def wise, they just start taking to long to kill.

BTW just because i dont want to give Donna the saticfaction of having a relevent post, this isnt adapting, i fought mostly only Lts before i16 also.

I dont it doesnt really help the over all problem alot, but depending on the level you might frankenslot some IOs into the attacks that are the most expensive.

There are a couple sets that have like acc/end and dam/end IOs that will help. I know i did this on a level 50 and only really lost about 1-2 percent on the overall power attributes. For instance, i had slotted damage IOs at 35, which buffed at 36 percent. Normally i would not really have changed those out unless doing full sets. But i put in a dam/end IO from some set, and i think an end/rech from another and then upgraded the common dam to a level 50. So now i have like 44 percent from that, and like 26x2 from the other IO sets. So i get like 96 percent damage buff rather then like 99 or something with all common IOs but i get 26 percent recharge and 26 percent end reduction on them also.

I say try something like that on a few of those more expensive powers and see if that helps some You dont have to give up to much to do it. And your really only trying to cover until your cosume or domination or whatever is recharged.

But you have farmed. I think the point would be better made if he simply had said that EVERYONE has something that is valued enough to them to have farmed for it. For you it was costume peices and helping your friends, which is commendable. For others it was hamidon hancer, purples, leveling, inluence/infamy, badges etc. When you really look at all the content that can be farmed most players have farmed something. You dont really kill 200 troll bosses in the narrow level range they are in without putting some thought to it.

Why do i have to. After all hardly none of your posts have offered any advice on adapting to anyone either. Infact most have just asked people to stay ontopic, which actually isnt on topic. I find this thread fun now. Thanks for creating it.

LOL well she did give that great advice im sure none of us knew about how a hard/hard mob gets 100 percent xp LOL

Ok wolf missions were not an exploit, you actually had to fight them. Dreck was not an exploit, you actually had to fight him. Family missions were not an exploit, and on and on. Yet they all got changed or axed some how. And you know they probably didnt find them off data mining. They datamined them because these forums filled up with posts like "doesnt anyone play anymore" or "all i can find is dreck teams" or"The begging in PIneeds to stop"

The devs dont have to time to data mine ever single mission being run in the game. Every level being made and how quickly its made. They do read the forums and when they do see several topics dealing with specific things, be it an exploit or not, then they research it. So go right ahead, post here how you make your missions, what enemy groups you use, how you get through the 8man spawns. Go right ahead and educate Donna, and the rest. And when the chatter becomes "Looking for a MA Hart mission" in atlas and everyone starts complaining again about the farmers using tactics like you, and that next issue nerfs something that is needed to do it, go ahead and tell us more cautious players we were wrong.

I already responded to your posts, and am no responding to others who are posting in the thread.

If you truely do expect people to post for your viewing the means by which they are overcoming the nerfs in i16, then your pretty mistaken. The true farmers in the game have played long enough to know that you dont go posting in open forums the ways by which you get the best results. Its the fastest way to another nerf.

As i said before, learn to play, practice making missions, practice against different toon makeups, you will find a sweet spot that is going to keep you happy. But if not for the off topic discussing your thread would be about 20 percent the size it is now, and would still have offered you none of the information you sought.

But fine lets keep it on topic then, Well Donna how have you adapted? How have youchanged your missions, what toons are you fighting, how do you fight them, how do you build you missiosn to max out your returns, what maps are you using? Oh thats right, the point of the thread was not for you to show us how you adapted but to simply gather info from others so that you could copy it.

You know im not really big on thinking this game is to complex. I think most people can understand the way it works, so i dont get hung up on that whole "level 50 not knowing where the train is" thing we have talked about. But you know, for somethings i do think that experience is key. I could tell you how to make a farm mission just like the ones i play. It wont mean you can play it. It wont mean you have a suitable toon to play it. So again, go play with the system for yourself and stop expecting others to figure out the world for you.

I dont consider chatter on the test server to be offical release notes. The first announcments of the MA that i recall from positron stated that leveling from 1-50 could be done off user content. Now it might not have mentioned rewards, but seriously, in an MMO that requires any type of gear, i wouldnt consider earning no rewards when you have reached level cap to be an acceptable alternative to standard content leveling. I do recall the complaints on the forums about custom mobs, i dont about lack of XP or rewards.




Ya and resistances help prevent damage, and def helps prevent damage, and status protection helps prevent being helpless, and radiation helps to prevent taking damage... so basicly your saying what? That if i ignored my powers that i could play at a higher risk level?



We play a game that takes place in a virtual world we are expected to see as being real. When out on the streets we are fighting crime or commiting crime in what is to be seen as the real world of COX. The MA is a virtual world within that virtual world. Akin to the Xmen Danger room. Hence real world is contact missions, virtual world is MA. But im pretty sure you understood the idea behind the comment and just couldnt think of another arguement for anything constructive.

First off, i tested it also. I asked for arcs of the medium variety, i got almost all story arc missions. Possible 2 that might have been deisgned as farms, or atleast would have been good farms maybe hidden in an arc.

And... Umm you said that farming was exploting right in the same post as a matter of fact. In the next quote bubble actually.
So basicly anything that increases levleing rate is exploitive gaming. Well dont farms do that? So anything that increases your tickets/hour is an exploit, again dont farms do that?
But let me highlight again....
And we continue...
I wouldnt, that was kinda my point. The missions you make are honestly not that special. Yes i played the arc in your signature. It was basic fair really. Get the traitor v. Archnos mobs... Click the blinking computer fight some custom energyblasters.....Rescue the ally and then let him fight the more rikti for you(oh and by the way your text says its a mission in a cave and its in a lab set map.) And then big surprise your contact turns on you and you have to go back rescue all the bosses you already fought and fight you contact.... Wow i have to say i dont see how my farm map is preventing anyone from finding such original content as they can find from just about any TF or SF or contact in the game.

Oh and to another extent, almost all your missions could very well be farmed easily with the right toons, and set to upper difficulties probably give higher then standard xp and tickets, so you should probably take own the arc.
See and i see it this way. The MA was going to get nerfed. We told the devs about these issues back in closed beta to issue 14. About the ability to make these maps, exploit having weak attacking enemies etc etc. They launched the issue anyway. And i find it hard to beleive they launched it not knowing that for a time people were going to abuse it. I find it easy to believe that much like this latest issue and finding a suitable ranking system for XP for custom critters that changing the system would delay the launch of the issue and they found that to be unacceptable.

Now as for the one rank groups, you fricken know that was gonna change. Even if the farmers had not embraced it, the players would still have realized that an MA mission was going to grant them more returns because you fought all Lts, or all Bosses. And just like now, people seek out missions with freaks in them why? (or used to) because they offered higher XP then other mobs. They used to seek out Family why? Because they offered standard XP with low risks. The conditions your complaining about were going to come to light and be changed be itnow or later.
Jesus this again "Level 50s that dont know where the train is...." Ya and we have 5 year vets in these forums that have never power leveled a toon asking about best builds for a new dominator, or brute. Seriously after 5 years they need help? Who the hell cares, either tell him where the train is or ignore him.

For IOs, i sold more IO peices on the markets after the MA went into business then ever before. Prior to the MA i usally deleted any common salvage i didnt need cause it wasnt worth therun to sell it. However the ONLY IOs i know of that went up in price were purples. Which were stupidly expensive anyway, and the only ones that couldnt be gotten through the MA. But what came DOWN in price were almost every other IO set peice that was in demand. LotG recharges were selling for 180 million prior to the MA release, they are around 100 million now. So lets see. You want a LotG.... Prior to the farming you would have spent 180 million on the piece, and maybe 1 million on salvage(i forget what rares it takes). But now your complaining that you can save 80 million on the recipie but you have to pay 2 times as much for the salvage? SERIOUSLY? This is your complaint?
First off I am not beholden to anyone else to make sure their life, game, time on this planet is fun. So its not thoughtlessness, its not my responsibility to begin with to not think about. But i would love to know how i have ruined your fun? I have already shown that missions to play are easily found. I have already shown that the effects on the market actually benefited more then they hurt, i have already said my belief is that there is no way that there werent intended changes to the MA long before it went live that farming or not were going to happen.

But since i am being blamed for it, then maybe i should contribute to your lack of fun. Im going to go run off right now, and make 5 more crappy storied missions with barely any content in them as they cannot be mistaken for farms. And then all 6 of my story slots will be full. Making it just that much harder for people to randomly find your arcs.

There now you can complain i ruin your game.

Look,, people arent going to play your fricken mission no matter if every farm was removed fromm the AE or not. There is no problem finding real missions, ifyour mission is being overlooked or ignored, maybeit just sucks balls and people quit it rather then finish it and are just trying to be nice by not having to rate it 1 star.

See that is just as likely a reason for why people are not finding or playing your mission as would be that they cant because of all the farms.

Oh and there was a discussion thread on farming as a sticky long beore the MA was ever put into the game. There have dev comments on farming players that openly admit to doing it, common misisons used for it that have still not been altered or prevented from farm use. Hell the devs are the ultimate PLers they make a new power set thye push a button and play it at whatever level they want on internal servers.

Stop acting like you speak for the devs on what is ok or what is not. The MA has been around for quite awhile now, prob what 6 months. I dont see farming missions getting removed, i dont see players being banned left and right. So perhaps your opinions are just yours and dont represent what the devs do or dont feel as you seem to claim personal knowledge of.

The MA is there, its going to be a tool used by farmers no matter what. And if its nerfed to th epoint that it cant be, then it will be as empty as a pvp zone in the middle of the cities. And still no one will play your missions because the endless whinning and ******** by those like you will have removed from the mechanic the one thing that 95 percent of the players play for. Reward and level advancement.

My best advice to all, pay attention to your own computer screen and play your game and have fun. And extend that same curtousy to those around you. They might find fun in ways you dont. It doesnt mean its wrong or unintended.. I could just as easily argue that being that hundreds of posts told the devs the possible implications of rewards and custom mobs in the MA back during closed i14 beta, that lauching the system with those mechanics must meanthat using them was INTENDED. I dont make those claims, so why anyone else should claim that rewards were never intended i dont know. From the moment i first read about the MA it was discussed as being a leveling tool. I would love to know where the info comes from that says that it was never intended to have rewards.


Oh and your opinions are also clearly showing you have no clue to farming. I have farmed the wall in Cim. I used my dominator against those mobs you claim pose a threat due to -def, healing, status resistances etc. I barely get touched. Even creating custom bosses in the MA pose more a threat then anything short of a giant monster i face in the real world. Anything people farm, be it in the MA or the real world is farmed because it poses no threat, or a small enough threat to make the rewards worth it. Now a custom enemy with no attacks? Sure exploit, but your judging that all farms are exploits. Yes i made a fire tankers dream farm. It can still kill my fire tanker. There is still a threat. So what is the difference to you if my 3 slots in the MA are taken up with Maps or missions that i find fun, any more then it matters to me ifyour three slots are taken up buy missions you find fun. Fun is subjective. Should i then get to petition to have your stories locked or removed simply because i find them to have to much to read, rather then to little?

Someone get it back on topic of what? Announcing publicly what manners we are using to overcome as much of the i16 changes as we can?

Not bloody likely. You want to know how to farm or how to make a mission to farm, then go to the MA and play with it and try it out. But most people are going to be smart enough not to make a post here for you that say "I found map X lets me us alot of ambushes, and i can make characters like this YY that barely hit you and gives good damages."

I swear Darn Newb Farmers just want to stand there and let everyone else work for them. LEarn2Farm the game newbs!!!