Perfect_Pain

Originally Posted by Slope

Then un-flag it.

Originally Posted by GreenPiranha

Can I pay your subscription, and you go play another game??

Originally Posted by David_Scorpio

Obviously. However, it's an honest inquiry, on my part. Thank you for contributing.

Originally Posted by David_Scorpio

Yes.

Originally Posted by Clouded

You of all people shouldn't be trying to dictate the posting habits of another.

Originally Posted by David_Scorpio

Noted. But, respectfully, the thread isn't "doomed." It's just short. And I got out of it what I wanted, so I would consider that a success.

Originally Posted by David_Scorpio

I appreciate your input.

Originally Posted by Umbral

And we all know how intelligent and observant you've shown yourself to be in the past.

Originally Posted by Sharker_Quint

first off, stop trying to say that people that play the market are the cause. they are not the cause. what is the cause is the "IWANTITNAO" crowd and the people that do NOT understand how the market works. it is not a store where you can walk in and buy whatever you want. it is a player run system in which people put things up for sale and the people who want those things bid for them. notice the word bid, not buy. if people would stop the "IWANTITNAO" mentality and put up reasonable bids and wait a couple days, they would then find that they didn't have to pay high prices and there would be a drop in pricing with the exception of the very very very very very very very few players who want to screw people over( also know as the less knowledgable about the market or ********* ).

second thing, stop trying to talk for a majority of the player base. you do not represent them and i have yet to hear any of the "casual" players ***** about prices for things they do not care about when they are content with getting the things as drops from playing and don't care how fast they finish an io set.

Originally Posted by Uruare

You didn't even read my post, didja. I have worked for it, to reiterate.

I've worked for it and achieved it, thank you very much.

It took an incredibly stupid amount of farming to do it, but I did it!

Yeah, I could've played the market; I know how. I just -don't-, as /I/ personally see it as being A) too annoying on the personal end and B) too easy to wind up supporting the Gold Sellers doing it, which is a brand of unethical I won't sustain.

Are IO's needed? No, but then not much is. Just some SO's, really, and you can have a very effective toon that does just fine in most circumstances.

But riddle me this; why -should- purple IO's be so ridiculous and absurdly priced, when all those massively-priced IO's do nothing but encourage the masses to find the quickest and easiest ways to get them as they can?

Do you comprehend anything of human motivation? Do you know how powerful ego and desire are, -especially- when something is technically available and desirable, but only within reach if you A) Farm like a machine, B) Flip some serious mojo on the market or C) buy inf?

-Which do you think people are most likely to do-?

The gold selling market knows. They've made it easier than ever to buy yourself some fat piles of inf. Heck, buy two fat piles; buy twenty! Even people on a part-time-job budget can get in on the instant-bling action!

And they do.

And they're never going to stop until availability of those IO's comes into a more procurable domain. Or until buying inf becomes flat-out impossible or so expensive as to be prohibitive, but which do the Devs have direct control over?

The former. The latter, they're working on addressing, but -another- way to take the knees out of the inf market is...?

Kill the prices of purples and PVP IO's.

How could that be done?

Several ways, not all of which would be smart. But, some are doable.

Anyway, I've got better things to do with reiterate what I've already said.

Ciao.

Originally Posted by Umbral

That's completely untrue actually. Farmers increase supply on both ends (currency and recipes) and, what you might not realize, is that farmers generate a lot more influence than they do recipes which is why prices have climbed so high so quickly.

Originally Posted by CapnGeist

Alright Uruare, let me step in here... Again.

-You certainly sound like a lazy beatnik. Why do I say this? Because I am lazy as hell and and still manage to get enough money to buy these thing that you seem to think are impossible to get. I spend as much time RPing as I do running missions, and after 18 months I've got 4 50s; one purpled out, two completed with everything except the purples and PVP IOs, and one whose build is very much in progress. I refuse to believe that I, who is scheduled four nights a week (Plus every other thursday) for things that DON'T involve running around and farming in City, am making that much more money than the 'average' player of the game.

-Your only arguments seem to be involving PVP IOs and Purple recipes. You know, the rarest items in the game. Those are rare in order to be rewards for the people who do put effort forth. You're suggesting that these should be made easily accessible to everyone, but then you're destroying them. While I agree that PVP IOs need a more common drop rate, purples are there to be perfection. Purpled out characters are what the devs have (I know, I've seen Synapse's stats). Until Going Rogue comes out, there is /no way to be better than purpled out./ This means that if you insist on Purples becoming more accessible, it alienates the hardcore gamers by giving them nothing to work for. As I said, I consider myself an average gamer, and I like having purples as something special and rare. I get to do a little dance whenever one drops on me, and once, back before AE's purple inflation, I gave one away to a friend.


-All I do for profit on the market is sell my drops and Common IOs that I've crafted. That's it. It's pretty easy and pretty straightforward and I've got enough money to have a character who can solo 95% of an ITF spawned for 8 players (I can't solo Romulus because his sword is bigger than my fist.) It's not hard. Purples are obtainable if you play at all and more obtainable if you play more. PVP IOs are broken expensive, but that is the fault of a different system (the PVP system as a whole), NOT one involving the Consignment Houses.


-If you don't like a game that resembles your job, don't play it. Many people, apparently, do like a game that resembles your job. I have this video game I love called Harvest Moon, where you play a farmer, tend to crops, raise cows and chickens, get married, and have a kid. I'm not sure a farmer would have fun with it, but I do. Making suggestions like this based on personal preference is meaningless because others can simply respond "You don't like it? Well I do."


-INFLUENCE SINKS is what the game needs. I cannot stress that enough. This is Econ 101 here!

Originally Posted by Uruare

I love how you've assumed that I'm a lazy beatnik that is only complaining because I want to have all the shinies without doing anything for them.

I make inf hand over fist farming, yo. I've experimented with flipping, but it A) reminds me too much of work (personal desire to avoid in Happy Funtime Environment) and B) seems really unfair to all the other players that don't happen to work in marketing.

Dude, you're really out to 'WIN IT' though, ain't ya. Does not, cannot and will not occur to you that I'm not crying because I'm inf-poor, hmm?

And yeah, I think it's immensely craptacular and lame to bring a shotguns to airsoft games, which is what market manipulation to capitalize on inf-buyer-established prices kinda reminds me of.

But then, I'm also given towards thinking that investing in Coca Cola is unethical as well.

Personal bias ftw.

Unfortunately, maybe for me, I've seen exactly how much farming it takes to purple out several toons, and I know firsthand that there are two other options besides farming your brains out for months straight to do it.

Play City of Wallstreet, or buy inf. And frankly, if you're not playing City of Wallstreet in the purple/pvp market, you're not one of them that's sustaining an unethical/illegal market.

If you are, then you deserve every speck of ridicule, as you sir are trafficking in the gold market's profits, which -very clearly does- damage the availability of certain saleable forms of game content for the majority of those that do not --

A) Farm like machines
B) Flip
C) Buy inf.

You're never gonna see a purple without buying it off the market or getting one dropped on you (unless you have awesome friends. Most friends are not that awesome.)

PVP IO's? LAWL! The farm cartels for those are hilarious. I got to talk to a few people that farm those; all they do all day is beat eachother up in one FFA arena match after another after the next while yakking on Vent about whatever. They tell me that they think they get better drop rates if they change up toons after each match and that they average about two to four recipes in a 4-5 hour stint.

That's how we /should/ go about generating wealth?

We /should/ farm like machines or toe some thin lines on exploiting mechanics?

Really?

Originally Posted by Uruare

/snip

Quite clearly so, as its full of shmucks, drips, two-dimensional cads and ethical sociopaths that do not realize they are playing a game and will win at any cost, especially when that cost is paid by others.

/snip

Originally Posted by LISAR

Like HP marketing would care...

Originally Posted by LISAR

Because he bought a prebuilt system...

Originally Posted by LISAR

So since you read that you've already measured your PSU bay to make sure it's standard size and not proprietary?