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You can't see the obvious advantages of having heavily slotted damage plus heavily slotted accuracy and heavily slotted END reducers? In *ONE* power?

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I can see what the advantage looks like on paper. But until it's live in it's final format, it's theory at best. Which means I expect the dev's to look at it when it's on test and make adjustments as needed prior to it going out to live.

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I'm not following you here. We can easily extrapolate exactly what effect this is going to have. We know that w/ 6 acc/dam HOs any offensive power can hit, or nearly hit, the damage cap, except for scrappers. We know that the accuracy bonus will be +300%. Do we really need to playtest that out to see it's effect?

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Most people want to play in PvP but in most other games they CHOOSE not to. For every single reason that has been listed in this thread.

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Of course everything posted about in this tread, only maters at lvl 47+,

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Not really. PvP is planned as an "open system" where you can fight anyone on any level. So a L47 can challenge anyone. And, AFAICT, a L47 could be part of a team of, say, L33 heroes, and be exmped down. They'd lose the extra bonus of hte HO, but not the dual-slotting advantage.

So there's really no way to avoid HO's dominating all up and down the line. The only place it might not matter is pre-DO's, where it's not going to matter all that much if you've slotted 4 or 6 or 12 TO's.

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then don't fight those who you know are raiding hamidon. problem solved. stop crying because you aren't the most powerful hero out there.

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Again, how the hell do I know how they are?



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Divine Wisdom.
I mean seriously like dude what are you thinking that's how all the rest of us are planning on doing it.

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Aaah. As long as there's a simple solution! :/

I'm kinda at a loss why it's so important for people to beat up on others w/ their HO's. Personally, if I ever have a bushel of HO's I'm not going anywhere near a non-HO'd hero. What's the fun in that?

So can somebody explain the allure?

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Also once I again ask:
Two highest level ladders one a HOdown and one a NO HO zone, where is the problem with this? Is this not win win?

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I think that's a great idea. But there's a problem in how you handle crossover, and different levels of HO's.

Somebody with 1 or 2 or 3 HO's isn't really going to disable the system. Those heros will be better, but still in the ballpark of an HO-free hero. And they'll get slaughtered by anyone w/ a tone of HO's. So what's the answer here? Play PvP w/o until you farm enough HO's to slot all your important powers?

And what about switching over? Pre-45 (47, really), everyone's in the non-HO league. Do you just keep keep that ranking, and move on w/ a 0 in the HO league?

Again, I like this idea, it seems simple and elegant. Just trying to scope it out.

-edit - duh. typos.

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and hami enahncements are available to everyone over 45, just put the effort into earning them, quit being lazy

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No they aren't. They're only available to people who have the time to farm Hami.

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Im sorry your not getting everything you want. I hope you manage to have fun despite the fact that some people may have better:

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Kewl, I'd love to lose to someone w/ a great build. Then I can ask what it was, admire their thinking, maybe do something better next time. Next?

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toons,

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You mean costume? Or what? I'm totally lost here.

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inspirations,

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kewl, that'd be awesome. If the game comes down to who popped a green pill at the right time, or whatever, I'm totally impressed. next?

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enhancements,

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huh? Isn't that part of your build? In any case, if you found some great way to slot, wonderful. I'm gonna be impressed. But if you just slammed an HO in there, so what?

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tactics, strategies,

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Kewl. It's awesome to play people who are good. I'd love to be able to chat about when you did this and I did that and then you did this other thing and zapped me. that'd be awesome.

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anything that would in any fashion disadvantage you, no matter how they got it.

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Hmm. So if I find a cheat that lets me have unlimited health, you'd be kewl with me having that advantage in the arena?

Or if there was a special accolade that if you made it to 50 never playing more than 1 hour a night, and never teaming up with more than 4 people, and never PLing at all, you got unlimited endurance, that'd be kewl with you?

If you didn't pick up, the common thread here is that HO's aren't equally available to everyone, and so are utterly meaningless as far as being an interesting or fun way to win, or lose, a game. Much like using a cheat code.

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then don't fight those who you know are raiding hamidon. problem solved. stop crying because you aren't the most powerful hero out there.

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Again, how the hell do I know how they are?

I don't care about being the most "powerful" hero. This is a game, and I'm not 13. But I want to see the fights be fair - to be challenging even if you don't blow a lot of effort on time-consuming activities.

It goes the other way, too. If I suddenly find myself w/ a dozen HO's, I'm not going to have a lot of fun whomping on somebody without them. I'm not sure what you guys think is so great about that.

Why not just get rid of HO's in the arena, and then I don't have to worry about people I won't have fun fighting?

Besides, that's all a pile of crap. Say I fight once or twice against some people, and it's fun and challenging. Then next week they farm Hami a dozen times. Next time I fight them, they're all amped up w/ HO's.

Your "solution" didn't really help me, did it?

Then I find other people to fight. Same thing.

Your "solution didn't rally help me there, either, did it?

Then I make sure to only fight people low on the "ladder." and it's all fine and dandy, until . . . they get HO's.

So how does your "solution" help me there?

Basically, all your saying is I should learn to enjoy getting beaten pretty regularly no matter how good I am b/c I don't have HO's. Can you explain how that ends up being fun?

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i still think its as simple as this, if you think its unfair then go beat hami. its set up like that so people have a reason to kill hami, you kill him to make yourself stronger. on champion it takes us 1.5 hours to kill hami, that's not long. so go earn some

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1.5 hours if you're on a really good team, and other people are around when you're on to do it, and somebody didn't just kill him, and somebody else didn't just start attacking and start accusing you of KSing and stuff.

I play on Pacific time, and there's never been a raid on my server starting anywhere near a time I can play. Are you saying b/c I have a job and kids I can't play PvP? Or are you suggesting I develop techniques to solo Hami?

Either way, thanks a lot.