Nightchill_EU

Its complicated to compare ATs in term for pure DPS. Buffless Stalker should be close to Widows since they have pretty much the same DPA chains and the same damage scale. Teamwork Assault may push them abit futher but you have to remember Starlkers are +400% damage cap whereas Widows are 300.

looks like to you? (watch that Hide isnt activated since part of the def goes away when uncovered)

I did.

Looking at EleM numbers
CB: 46.71 damage for 0.83 activation = 56.28 DPA (generally good attacks go from 65 to 90)
AS: 139.03 (base) + 250.25 (AS) for 3 seconds = 129,76

Caltrops have 116.94
LR has 69.13
Water Spout has 231.94 (seriously? wtf)

So yeah its damn worth it. I'm wondering if the trick doesnt make Elec the best ST dps...

Sadly you cant track crit chances but nor the Stalker nor the Scrapper power description claims it. It has 15% innate crit chance like many of the T9 attacks tho.

On the build you have Mask Presence is not activated. I'm near cap without, I'm qutie a good chunk over soft cap with Mask activated while fighting.

I dont use cardiac but Ageless Rec yes.

Procs are a lot of damage and I dont really need the set effects I can get out of attacks.
I could purple up one of them but its quite expensive.

You cant use hero epic pools sadly, I'm soul with Tentacles and Darknest Night atm. Tentacles are good to keep stuned/Confused mobs together but clearly Earth would be awesome.



That way:

PS: Just noticed your signature. I like the build but you have a lot more melee def than ranged maybe just one slot into aura of conf would fix it.

If I'm not mistaken the Scrapper's vertion of burn still have the old scatter effect like Assault Riffle, Arsionist and Bots power.



As for the rest. You cannot pop numbers out of your butt and say "hey thats why X is better than Y". CoH is a teaming game, you have to consider buff situations, therefore look at raw numbers AND caps.


Its 400% damage on tanker or PLUS 300%. The number you can track you get from your game interface shows the damage -bonus-.
On the brute its 775% damage or plus 675%.

Actually OP asked some question about survivability versus damage. That's what I am replying to.
Now yes. Brutes have taunt factor on most attacks but tankers get gauntlets and generates aggro on everything around. Taunt tanker versions are also better.

Now in regard of aggro generation powerset also enters the topic. A Willpower tanker doesnt stand a chance versus a Shield scrapper just because AAO is THAT good (or bad depending on the point of view).

If we are talking Scrapper versus Brute at tanking, most scrapper's taunt aura are enough (maybe not RttC) to draw aggro against other damage dealers because you actually are the best or nearly damage dealer in the game. Hold it, I'm not saying you are better than a brute at holding aggro I'm saying you can hold aggro on most mobs, or close anyways to the aggro limit. Now my point is that if you consider limits, caps, a buffed brute can have her resist buffed very far beyond Scrapper's (75% vs 90%) and that makes hell of a diference when fighting "hard" content.

No. To all.

Like I said. Tankers have more hitpoints, more sheer numbers on defensive power sets, more effective taunt and better punchvoke. An unbuffed tanker will do significantly better than an unbuffed brute. Actually, stictly defensively an unbuffed brute wont do better than a scrapper.
On the other hand a strongly buffed brute will do almost as good as a tanker, in term of toughness.

/FA is by the way, not the least survivabe of all armor sets.

As for damage. Tankers gets a base of 0.8 damage scale. Brutes get 0.75 so, stricly speaking, tanker will actually do more damage than the brute with the same powers.
In the situation where you are at a steady 80% fury we are talking 1.35 versus 0.8, which is more, not "capslockalot" more. Even less considering, like you said, tankers bring 20% res debuff to the party.


Now when buffs kicks in, lets say Fulcrum shift, Brute is gonna jump way ahead tankers due to very (you can caps that very if you like, we'r talking +575% vs +300%) higher bonus damage cap; to reach a dps potential that is close to Scrapper's.

So brutes are not better than tankers at everything. Nor better than scrappers.
At low level of buff they are a lot less tougher than tankers and a lot less damage than scrappers. At high level of buff than a close to tanker"s toughness and scrapper damage. Not better diferent.

Besides its +675% for brute and +400% for scrappers that means
1.125*5 = 5.625 for Scrapper
0.75*7.75 = 5.8125 for Brute


Its just freaking unbelievable I'm the first one to notice this.

I play the game since day one thank you very much. Only 2 or 3 month a year tho. I have more than 10 50ies, list doesnt matters to you I think. Most of them are defenders by the way.

Either you find your joke wasnt funny enough the first time, either you actually did not understand.

There are three ways to play Defender. /Sonic, /Dark and "concept".
Sonic is offensive support, cant of course slot for -res (not sure how much I'm suppose to explain that part but some post here are quite pathetic) but will aim for maximal debuff attack sting regardless of the damage because the indirect damage is so high that is worth sacrifying your seft (poor) dps.

You can slot for debuff on Dark (accurate hit debuff sets are almost a good reason). Numbers however are pretty low and it may not make a huge diference on the damage income.

Both sets are yet usefull for debuff reasons and not sheer damage reasons (see I formerly said "oriented" as for power choice and not "sloted", maybe I should have said "built").

So at some point you actually agree with me, unless its a cybersex partner or something, no team would love a /En defender at all.


I ignore solo and AoE because:
1- AoE hardly matters when it comes to damage discutions. Minions and most Leuts are wiped away in 2 powers of pretty much any AT.
2- You can discuss minmaxing on solo or optimised teamplay. I chose the later.


Any descent SS brute runs steady +350% (or 450% if you rather count that way) with 2 rage and fury. When Fulcrum Shift hit she jumps way beyond Scrapper's damage cap.

Blasters. I'm wrong on base, max is still true.
Melee/Range on Dom is reverse. btw Blasters doesnt have "better" melee attacks than Doms, higher hit doesnt matter, DPA does. Which doesnt mean Dom are higher dps.
My statement on Defiance is very wrong indeed.




As for the rest.
I take tanker res debuff on account because its AT related. Not power related, actually its not even a choice since you get T1 attack anyways.
Apart from tankers, and because its a core mecanism, I dont take in account res debuffs, damage buffs etc... or lets just state : Kin is the best damage dealer. Period.

ST damage isnt the only one that matters in the game. Its pretty much the only one that matters when damage matters and thats why its what I'm mostly talking about.



(I ignore the lolyourwrong and assimilated replies)