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You will never get Beef-Cake, Mna_Grok, you and I to agree on this issue. We are not going to convience each other. And that is expdentionally more accurate for the ENTIRE player base on most issues.

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QFT.

The most we can hope for now is to keep discussing this issue civily, but I think that we have started down the slope towards modsmack.

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Contrary to popular belief, the customer is not always right. Using "what the customer wants is what the customer gets" as the way to run a business is a very shortsighted way to do so.


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Well I'm sorry to inform you that you are wrong here. In a business world, the customer is alwaysright whether you personally feel they are or not. By making the customer happy will ensure that this customer will return to your business and spend more money.

I know I own and operate my own business. And if I were to keep the mentality of the customer is not always right with my employees, I would be doing a lot less business. As would any other business.

Now if a customer comes to me and says , I do not like the design of your store, please change it, then yeah this is something far greater then what we are talking about here. We are speaking of a simple badge/slice of cheese. Not a complete remodel of your business.

By giving the customer what he/she wants such as a badge /slice of cheese, will not effect the way the business is run, destroy your business, or effect the future customer who order a cheese burger/new hero.

So by someone giving me my slice of cheese/badge to make me as a customer happy, will not destroy or manipulate the way future business will run for this company or any other company. If I receive this slice of cheese/badge it will not change the taste of the other slices of cheese, nor will it change the meaning of the badge.

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*sigh* I explained this in the part of my post that you snipped out. Let me requote it for you again below:

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The route to success is not in always following blindly what the customer wants. it is discovering what the customer wants, seeing how what that small subset wants will affect the rest of your customers, and seeing if your company is able to do so (what the small subset wants) within the long-range plans that you (the business owner) have for your company.

There are a large number of wants coming from the customers. ustomer satisfaction also includes deciding what wants the customer has will get fufilled.

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You buy a regular hamburger and start eating it. You get a couple of bites in and then see that they have started putting cheese on them as well. You, liking cheese, want to have cheese on your hamburger, so you go back to the counter and ask for cheese. Unfortunately, they say no because you have already started eating your hamburger. However, you can get a new hamburger with cheese (let's call it a cheeseburger for lack of a better term ) and enjoy that.


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Wow! This is a sad anology here if I have ever seen one.

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Way to misunderstand the way an analogy works. You are not supposed to try to take all that happens from one side and then compare it to the other and expect them to match.

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Here are more specific examples:
1. shoe is to foot as tire is to wheel
2. followers are to a leader as planets are to a sun
3. shells were to ancient cultures as dollar bills are to modern culture

In each of these examples, there are parallels between the first to terms and the last two. In the first example, a shoe has the same relation to a foot that a tire has to a wheel. Followers, by the same logic, are similar to planents, and shells functioned in some ancient cultures as printed money functions in our culture today.

Although analogies are helpful in pointing out relationships that may not at first be visible, they have their limitations. You often hear it said that an analogy "breaks down." That means that it is only suggestive and does not follow in every detail.

In the first example above, for instance, there is only limited similarity between a shoe and a tire. I don't know if a tire "protects" a wheel, as a shoe protects a foot. Shoes are not paritcularly round. And you don't usually have to "air up" shoes. On the other hand, they can both wear out in similar ways and both are usually made of some pretty durable stuff.

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This is the way a business is suppose to work, and if you disagree with that then you will never understand custome satisfaction.

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Contrary to popular belief, the customer is not always right. Using "what the customer wants is what the customer gets" as the way to run a business is a very shortsighted way to do so.

The route to success is not in always following blindly what the customer wants. it is discovering what the customer wants, seeing how what that small subset wants will affect the rest of your customers, and seeing if your company is able to do so (what the small subset wants) within the long-range plans that you (the business owner) have for your company.

There are a large number of wants coming from the customers. ustomer satisfaction also includes deciding what wants the customer has will get fufilled.

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All I would have to do is get the cheese burger and apply said cheese to previous hamburger. So now I have a hamburger + cheese + previous condiments. I am more then willing to do the same and move Isolator from another character to my collector.

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Hmmm, that wouldn't be a bad idea, as long as if you moved the badge, you lose the badge on the old character and it got noted in the new badge on the other character that the badge was transferred...

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Oh and linky no worky on the sig.

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Stupid Photobucket site is down for maintenance, and I don't have direct links to the pictures ATM.



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Jumping in on the Egg McMuffin analagy here.

It doesn't quite work for me either. In theory, I can come back to McDonalds any time I want (during breakfast hours) and get an Egg McMuffin. McDonalds is telling me, however, that since I ate breakfast there once prior to 1973, when the Egg McMuffin was introduced, that I am no longer allowed back in thier restaraunt to purchase one.

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Ummm, no. That is quite an exaggeration there.

To switch it around, it is the following:

You buy a regular hamburger and start eating it. You get a couple of bites in and then see that they have started putting cheese on them as well. You, liking cheese, want to have cheese on your hamburger, so you go back to the counter and ask for cheese. Unfortunately, they say no because you have already started eating your hamburger. However, you can get a new hamburger with cheese (let's call it a cheeseburger for lack of a better term ) and enjoy that.

However, in the time between buying your burger and buying the cheeburger, they have run out of some condiments, so if you get the new cheeseburger, you won't have access to all of the same condiments as you had on your burger.

PS. Apologies for the previous unclear analogy, I am still recovering from my daughters 1st bday party. See pictures in the cake link in my sig.


PPS. Why yes, I am trolling for compliments on my cute daughter.

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Pre-I2, the badge didn't exist and there was no way for your toon to get the badge. So you are angry that the devs aren't allowing you to get something that you couldn't get when your toon was at the appropriate level for it. To me, that is like trying to get a Sausage and Egg McMuffin at 6PM and throwing a fit about it.

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HAHA! Thanks for the laugh. That was a funny analogy. This is not sarcasm. I thought it was funny. Text of course is hard to tell, so thought I would clarify.

However, I do feel obligated to reply in kind. In that same situation, all I would need to do to get my Sausage and Egg McMuffin, would be to wait until it is served. I would not need to leave and comeback (The equivalent of re-rolling in this analogy). I could call friends and family in to get theirs but, that does not help with mine (Like getting the badge on another character). All I would need to do is wait. And after they did begin to sell breakfast, I would simply walk up to the counter and order one. They would not refuse me because I was in the building prior to when they were sold. All I am asking is "Is it time for me to get a Sausage and Egg McMuffin, yet?"

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And to complete your analogy, each day is starting over again. So by getting it the next day, you are re-rolling.

Or at least that is my point of view.

In the end, there are two points of view to this discussion, and the chances that they will meet are slim to none. I would like to thank those on both sides that have stayed civil.

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(1) CUSTOMER SERVICE
A large number of people do want this badge on their pre-i2 characters. Allowing us to get this badge will make us happy. Happy customers are loyal customers and more likely to remain customers in the future. The quick growth of threads like this one shows that there is a large demand for the badge.

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The devs doing something because the customers want it is *not* a valid reason to do something.

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A restaurant that had such an attitude would not stay in business long. Making customers happy is the first, last and always the most important part of any business model.

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But there has to be a vision in which the business operates. They need to try to keep the customers happy, but, first and foremost, they need to follow the plan that they have to grow their business. Any extensive reading of the forums will show that the population of a MMORPG will, if you take all the things that people want the devs to do, the devs would have to impliment everything under the sun, and many contradictory items.

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I bet for every person out there that would like some way to get Isolator on the hero that missed it, there are 40 or 50 that really don't care and have much more inportant things they wouldlike changed. In the whole scheme of things that people want in CoH, getting a badge added is, IMO, insignificant.

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Making up statistics doesn’t really help your argument, but whatever.

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I am doing the same amount of "making up" of statistics that you have. You claim that there are lots of people who would like this. I am claiming that there are a lot more that don't care. My opinion on the numbers are equally as valid as yours. If you dismiss mine, you need to dismiss yours as well.

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Some people in the game want other things, sure. For example, in the PvP zones there was a problem of villains and heroes camping their opponent’s hospitals. So the devs listened to the complaints and made the hospitals more secure. Now to me, I could not have cared less about hospital security in PvP zones, but other people did. And those other people get what they were asking for. I would rather the devs have spent their time on wings and trench coats. To me, the hospital problem was insignificant. There will always be something that one group wants that some other groups thinks is “not worth the effort.”

Because the customers want it is not an invalid reason to do something, you know.

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But as I mentioned above, it is not always a valid reason to do something either.

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(1) CUSTOMER SERVICE
A large number of people do want this badge on their pre-i2 characters. Allowing us to get this badge will make us happy. Happy customers are loyal customers and more likely to remain customers in the future. The quick growth of threads like this one shows that there is a large demand for the badge.

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The devs doing something because the customers want it is *not* a valid reason to do something. I bet for every person out there that would like some way to get Isolator on the hero that missed it, there are 40 or 50 that really don't care and have much more inportant things they wouldlike changed. In the whole scheme of things that people want in CoH, getting a badge added is, IMO, insignificant.

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(2) FAIRNESS
Isolator is unique of all the badges. It is the only badge that has ever been released which could not be obtained by characters in existence at the time it was created. Anyone who entered CoH after i2 can get this badge, but pre-i2 characters cannot. Even those few who actually met the requirements for getting the badge before i2 cannot get the badge.

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I would like to have sympathy for people in this situation, I really would but, in all honesty, I don't. You made your character before the badge was available. Oh well.

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(1) TOO DIFFICULT TO IMPLEMENT
“The devs have better things to do with their time. Why bother?”

Well, you bother because it would make your customers happy. In any event, this objection has been answered many times over. It would be dead easy to stick a contaminated spawn in Atlas Park or Galaxy City. Heck, in the Snaptooth missions, up on the northwest part of the map, a group of low level monkeys appear and start fighting among themselves. This appears to have been done simply as a joke. If the mission is being made anyway, and it needs to be populated with villains anyway, and if they have time to put in funny monkeys, they can easily add in one or two contaminated. Problem solved. There will be more temporary Pocket D missions. Throw some in there.

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Like I mentioned above, there are a lot of people who really don't care about the badges and would rather see other things introduced into the game. Going directly by the number of people it would make happy, removing ED seems like the best way to make a lot of people happy, but it really doesn't look like that is going to happen. Adding a mission that gives contaminated, while it seems trivial, would not be. How do you scale the contaminated to toons that have levelled up and have SOs slotted into their 1st level powers and make it a challenge for them while not making it impossible for those with TOs. What level/AT do you scale it for?

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(2) YOU CAN GET ISOLATOR IF YOU WANT
“Nobody is preventing you from getting Isolator. Just roll another toon.”

This one is simplistic almost beyond words. The whole point of the discussion is about getting Isolator on pre-i2 toons. Therefore, the entire “argument” here is totally irrelevant.

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Pre-I2, the badge didn't exist and there was no way for your toon to get the badge. So you are angry that the devs aren't allowing you to get something that you couldn't get when your toon was at the appropriate level for it. To me, that is like trying to get a Sausage and Egg McMuffin at 6PM and throwing a fit about it.

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(3) IT DOESN’T MATTER
“So what if your character doesn’t have this badge? It doesn’t do anything. Get over it.”

Well, it matters to me, and to many other people by all accounts. Besides, as you pointed out, “it doesn’t matter” can go either way. If it doesn’t matter, then let us earn it. Badge collecting is a part of the game. It’s important to some of us, just like PvP is important to others. Just because it isn’t important to you doesn’t not somehow prove that it is objectively unimportant.

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Exactly, if it doesn't do anything and is really only a trivial and minor part of the game, we would rather the devs not spend their time in fixing what you percieve as a mistake to be corrected.


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(4) YOU HAD YOUR CHANCE BUT YOU MISSED IT
“I rerolled my main character when badges first came out so that I could get it. You could have done the same, but you missed out.”

This one, in my opinion, is just unreasonable. This position says that you must be willing to just throw away hundreds of hours of progress and advancement for the badge. Furthermore, by now this wouldn’t be useful for badge collectors to do, as all the special event badges would be lost. There was only about a two month window in which this could have been done before the Halloween badges came along. During that period, the devs were talking about implementing a “Flashback System” so that older, outleveled content could be experienced. Thus, there was every reason to expect that eventually our pre-i2 characters could get Isolator without rerolling, if we would just be patient. Since then, the devs have scrapped the parts of the flashback system which would have made this possible. So we should lose out because we trusted the devs?

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Note my emphasis in bold in your paragraph above. YOu say ityourself that there was a window in which you could have obtained the Isolator badge on your main badge collector and you wouldn't have lost anything. You made the choice to not-re-roll and must live with the consequences of that decision.


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(5) THE BADGE TEXT WOULD BE MESSED UP
“It says you began your career on a high note. If you get Isolator at lvl 50, it’s not the beginning of your career now, is it?”

With apologies to LiquidX, this one is just a bit silly. It’s easily fixed. Or, like I wrote earlier in this thread, just pretend that you DID kill 100 contaminated right at the start. (The writer of your comic book just glossed over that part to move the plot along.) It’s a role-playing game, isn’t it?

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You are trivializing the concerns of two groups of people here. The people who did delete their badge collectors after I2 came out to get Isolator. They did it the hard way and sacrificed for it, and by your asking for it to be available anytime, you are trivializing the effort they put into it.

The other people are the ones who do RP their hero and feel that the badges represent what their hero went through. The badge states "You began your career...". While you may feel that this is a silly argument, to those people it isn't.

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(7) PERSONAL ATTACKS
“You’re all just a bunch of whiners who want to show off your uber l337 status.” Or “You don’t have it - HA HA get over it!”

An ad hominem can be (and has been) used in all of the objections above. But they’re so common that I thought they deserved their own category. In my opinion, such arguments actually support the other side of the debate. After all, if your position is really so weak that you have to resort to tactics like these, then perhaps the opposing side is right.

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They may be an exaggeration of your position, but that does not render them invalid. A fallacy in an debate only means that the reasons supporting the conclusion are weak. You are still required to prove that the argument is completely false. And in this case, since it is clear that you do want the badges, the statements are not completely wrong, are they.

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I read that last phrase as you saying that LiquidX, myself and some others want to keep you from getting Isolator plus any number of other badges.

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OK, got it now.

I was only speaking to LiquidX, not you or anyone else. Also, the “any number of other badges” is not true, as this discussion is only about Isolator.

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LiquidX has indeed flat out stated that he does not think that any one toon should be allowed to experience all the game content. That position is what I was responding to when I posted my story about my old neighbor and the blue house. My point there was that if he feels that way, then he is free to have his toons experience as much or as little content as he may want. But it is not reasonable to say that the way he wants to play his toons should extend to mine as well.

Since then, he is now saying that as long as the badge text is changed, he would accept it.

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A couple of weeks ago (before this thread started) I PMed Statesman about whether or not we were supposed to be able to experience all the content on one character. Here is his reply:

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Ask your friend if there's any other MMP in existence where one can experience "all" the content.

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Now to me that is quite clear that he doesn't think that one character can experience all the content as well.

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I read that last phrase as you saying that LiquidX, myself and some others want to keep you from getting Isolator plus any number of other badges.

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Well, in the case of LiquidX, this is probably true.

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I don't mean to speak for LiquidX, but from my reading of his posts, his main problem is the fact that the badge starts off with "You started your Career..." and if you get it after that it doesn't work. IIRC, he would have no problem with another badge for killing X contaminated, but only having the isolator badge available if you killed them in the tutorial.

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People who deserve the badge didn't get it, and it's impossible to determine who those deserving people even are. I'm not at all suggesting Isolator just be handed out to every I1 character, mind you. A pain in the butt second chance sounds plenty appropriate, as it's only the dedicated badge collectors who would spend all that time fighting 100 Contaminated in the first place.

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Like I mentioned before, this is a method that, IMO, would take a lot of effort and time from the devs. Making a misssion like that would not be the trivial task that some people might think.

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We are not saying that. You can get the badge, just create another toon. Voila.

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And of course you know this is not what is meant.

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In all honesty, no-where have I stated that I don't think that the people who don't have Isolator shouldn't get any other badges as well, as was implied by Zubenelgenubi.

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Wait… WHAT? What am I implying now?

Usually I don’t like to “imply” anything, I just flat out state my positions. In this case… should I be defending myself or not? Honestly, I can’t decipher your sentence.

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In your post (#4996818 - 03/12/06 01:53 AM) you stated:
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Get Isolator on your toons or don't. Paint your house blue or don't. It doesn't affect me. I have not, nor will I EVER say that your particular characters should NEVER be allowed to have this badge, that badge, or some other badge.

You, LiquidX, and a couple of others, however, don't seem to want to extend that same courtesy to me.


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I read that last phrase as you saying that LiquidX, myself and some others want to keep you from getting Isolator plus any number of other badges.

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We are not saying that. You can get the badge, just create another toon. Voila.

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And of course you know this is not what is meant.

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In all honesty, no-where have I stated that I don't think that the people who don't have Isolator shouldn't get any other badges as well, as was implied by Zubenelgenubi.

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But, you want it on your current one, well then you are taking missions and CoH/CoV development away from me. The time that it takes Cryptic to come up with a mission that allows you to get Isolator is time that they are not spending on End-game development, new powersets, Epic ATs, zone updates or any other number of things I would rather see.

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Wow. Why are your wants more important then other paying customers?

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I never said my wants and desires are more important. Mine are just as important and have an equal amount of validity in the eyes of the devs as yours. I am just stating mine. Mine just happen to not match with yours.

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Getting them to put in manhours developping a mission for isolator, or datamining so that they can figure out who should get it and on what heroes is, in my opinion, a colossal waste of time.

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I'm sorry you feel it is a colossal waste of time. I respectually disagree.

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I can live with that.

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Granted, I understand that you are expressing an opinion about the game. I get that. But your opinion has, as its foundation, the idea that you get to decide what is “good” for other players and/or the game as a whole. And that is completely unreasonable.

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Of course you do realize that you are essentially doing the same thing, just from the other side of the point of view.

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Utter nonsense.

Get Isolator on your toons or don't. Paint your house blue or don't. It doesn't affect me. I have not, nor will I EVER say that your particular characters should NEVER be allowed to have this badge, that badge, or some other badge.

You, LiquidX, and a couple of others, however, don't seem to want to extend that same courtesy to me.

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We are not saying that. You can get the badge, just create another toon. Voila.

But, you want it on your current one, well then you are taking missions and CoH/CoV development away from me. The time that it takes Cryptic to come up with a mission that allows you to get Isolator is time that they are not spending on End-game development, new powersets, Epic ATs, zone updates or any other number of things I would rather see.

Getting them to put in manhours developping a mission for isolator, or datamining so that they can figure out who should get it and on what heroes is, in my opinion, a colossal waste of time.

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Granted, I understand that you are expressing an opinion about the game. I get that. But your opinion has, as its foundation, the idea that you get to decide what is “good” for other players and/or the game as a whole. And that is completely unreasonable.

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Of course you do realize that you are essentially doing the same thing, just from the other side of the point of view.

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No, have any of you tards read the entire post?

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Nice. Wonder if I am the first to report your post??

edit - yup I am!!!

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I'm the one who started this thread. I have been asking the Dev's on this. I will keep playing. I did NOT ask your opinion.

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So what. This is a discussion board. I can post whatever I want as long as it doesn't break the EULA. And last I checked, disagreeing with you isn't aginst it...

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I just feel that this is something I feel strongly about, and others agree.

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And others disagree.

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I dont see what the big deal is here. I dont understand why you guys run up here screaming NO!

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Don't feel bad. We will never understand why you want it so bad. Nice how that works out.

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Also all that techno blah blah you guys keep shoveling at us, really they cant do it?

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They said they couldn't. Well, technically, they said they could, but it would take about 2 years to datamine the info...

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Don't worry about it. We (or at least I) think yours isn't either.

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If you dont want to do then so be it. But we do. People make requests all the time, this one is no different. In no way, shape or form are we asking to be given anything. We would like the chance to do it all over again.

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You can do it all over again. Roll up a new character!!

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It is only a matter of opinion (yours) that these are "unsatisfactory justifications."

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Yup. NOW you get it!

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So it is fine for you to think that his opinions are unsatisfactory, but it is wrong for him to think that yours are.

While that may not be what you think, that is the impression that I got from your posts.

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Sigh.

No, you don't get it after all.

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Then please be so kind as to explain it then.

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In past versions of this thread (just how many times has this one risen from the dead?) I have proposed a similar compromise.

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Enough times that it is no longer a horse. All we have left from this horse being beaten so many times is this.

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As both a compromise for lacking Isolator and a means to make amends for the oversight, I believe the Devs could easily add a new badge to fill the Isolator void for all pre-Issue 2 characters. This 'Alpha Legion' badge (or whatever the Devs would call it) could be done up like the event accolades have been done. The datamining for it would be relatively simple - any character created before the release date of Issue 2 would get it.

With this new badge there would be balance in fairness and overall badge numbers. All pre-Issue 2 characters would be recognized and awarded for their longevity in the game and be given a badge to take the place of another, Isolator, which they can never have by design. All post-Issue 2 characters would then have their opportunity to have Isolator as always with no changes needed to its details at all.

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I could definately get behind this.

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It is only a matter of opinion (yours) that these are "unsatisfactory justifications."

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Yup. NOW you get it!

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So it is fine for you to think that his opinions are unsatisfactory, but it is wrong for him to think that yours are.

While that may not be what you think, that is the impression that I got from your posts.

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If the badge is that important to you as it appears to be (to some of you), then re-roll and get it and go from the start.

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That's not really much of a option anymore. It was after I2, or when ever badges came out, up to the point of the halloween event. But after that, deleting and/or recreating the character means losing out on a number of badges, that they can't get again.

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There will always be badges that people don't have the opportunity to get.

By asking for this one to be given to you, the result is that the badge is cheapened for all those that did delete/recreate a hero in order to get it.

People can get all the badges that are currently available in-game, they just have to make a choice of where their priorities are.

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Actually, I believe I provided specific and satisfactory justifications in my second post on this page alone.

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It is only a matter of opinion (yours) that these are "satisfactory justifications." Seriously now, you object to the badge text becoming incorrect??


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It is only a matter of opinion (yours) that these are "unsatisfactory justifications."

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[1) The badge description states: "You began your career on a high note, by personally ending the riots of contaminated thugs in the Outbreak Zone. ". Allowing it to be gained anywhere else completly destroys the intent of this badge, and would be totally contradictory to what the badge states.

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And I still think a level 50 Villain who does the "go-good" TF and becomes a level 1 hero would qualify to be awarded the same Isolator badge... it is after all the beginning of his career as a Hero.

And by extension, a level 50 Hero, who does the "go-bad" TF and becomes a level 1 Villain could get Jailbird, do 50 levels as a Villain, do the "go-good" TF, become a level 1 hero again and end up in Outbreak able to earn the exact same Isolator badge.

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Nor have you been able to justify why you should be able to earn this badge outside of Isolator, other then "I want it! I want it! It's unfair if its not given to me!".

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Nor have you been able to justify why you want to deny pre-I2 characters this badge, other than “I don’t want you to have it! I don’t want you to have it! It’s unfair if the devs give it to you!”

Seriously, lose the ad homonims . They only undercut your position, rather than support it.

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Irony is a person accusing someone of an ad hominem attack using an ad hominem attack to do so.

Another one of these threads??

*Looks around for complaint about maintenance time*

*Looks around for complaint about respec missions*

Let me boil this argument down to the basics:

Pro - I want it!
Anti - You had your chance. Too bad.
Pro - But it wasn't available when I went through!!
Anti - That really sucks.

Disclosure - I am fully on the side of the anti-crowd. If the badge is that important to you as it appears to be (to some of you), then re-roll and get it and go from the start.

[i]Edit - Fixed spelling and clarified disclosure.

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All in all it was a great event and look forward to a second annual gathering in the future.

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Who said anything about these things being merely annual?

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Well, since the 'rockstar' thing was mentioned... why don't you guys just load up in a tour bus and hit all the big cities?

ROAD TRIP!

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Ottawa!!!

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One of the more common complaints from people on the forums is that simply choosing new powersets is not enough to justify playing through the game. New things to do are needed. The way I see it is that (In my opinion) two important things need to be done:

1) It needs to be impossible to get every single badge on one character.

2) It needs to be impossible to do every single mission with one character. (Or be unable to experience the full scope of the mission if exemplered down/sidekicked up)

What *I* ultimately want to see are branching story arcs, with badges that can't be obtained if you have a different badge.

For example, lets say you have a Contact named... John Jacob Jinglehymer Smith, who asks you to find out what the freaks are up to. The Story arc at some point could branch with a choice. Say, either going to "interrogate" a Freakshow for information, or instead taking a coded message you located to a cryptogropher to decode it.

Your choice would lead to one of two completly different endings, different temp powers, and ultimately a different badge depending on which ending you recieved. Once you got one, you would be unable to get the other for that character.

In the end, I think that would help *improve* the game.

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First, the topic of the thread is the Isolator badge. If you have nothing constructive or (as far more typically) destructive to add to a suggestion for Isolator, say nothing. If you have an idea for a totally different issue create your own, seperate topic. The above post doesnt belong here.

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Thread drift happens. If you have been following the posts that lead up to that one, it does indeed fit into this thread.

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We are not asking for a fundamental change to the way the game is played. No nerf nor buff to any powers. We're merely asking for a change of location. No, actually we're asking for an additional location.

There is precedent for such a change. For a long time some of the targets for kill X amount badges were woefully rare. For example, the Warrior Elite were hunted to near extinction on Talos. They were so rare that I myself ran the last mish in the alexander mini arc 87 times to fight the single warrior elite boss.

Then low and behold, along came Striga Island, where many a Warrior Elite frolicked along with Wolves and Vamps and Family bosses and sky raider skiffs. There was much rejoicing.

Speaking of Sky Raider Skiffs, they originally were only appearing in the 24-33 TV Trial. Which some people ran many times to get the required 100.

After Striga was implemented and Terra Volta then sprinkled with skiffs o plenty, were the badges gained by the TV trial alone somehow cheapened? Were people saying 'I quit, they cheapened my badge.'?

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You do realize that Striga was not added simply so that badge hounds could get the badges easier, but for the content that it had in it, don't you??