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Quote:And don't forget that if you do nothing, then a THIRD group of people simply complain that you guys don't listen to us.Originally Posted by Castle
This is a situation I cannot win with. I removed the prompt; people complained until I was told to put it back. Now it's back, a completely different set of people get to complain. -
Quote:Actually, they came right out and said that the Gamestop deal was to attract NEW customers, hence why the enhancements were designed to appeal more to new players then vets.Originally Posted by Da_Captain
You too? Yeah, I could careless about getting early access to stuff that was guaranteed. I
From the looks of the enhancements though I see a couple of problems
- Doesn't proc after level 20 (pretty big one)
- Only for new toons (That kinda sucks, also kinda hints that this probably wasn't meant for veteran players)
So, it's not a problem, they were specifically designed that way for a reason. -
Quote:Golden Girl... As someone who is a very firm (And very vocal) believer of "Exclusive means Exclusive", I can tell you right now that your about to open a very big can of worms that'll get you one hell of a backlash.Originally Posted by Golden Girl
Wouldn't that kinda make them not exclusive then?
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Quote:Faster then a RMT Spammer on Coke,Originally Posted by LISAR
Only mods would know..banned any faster then that and we wouldn't see it.
More powerfull then the Cray XT "Jaguar" Supercomputer,
Is it a bird?
Is it a plane?
NO!
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Quote:It's City of Warcraft, actually.Originally Posted by Golden Girl
Paragon Studios is working on something, apart from Going Rogue - but what exactly it is remains a mystery - for now
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Quote:Because they didn't lie. At the time, there were NO PLANS for incentives at retail stores. This changed later when Gamestop expressed interest in a promotion for Going Rogue, and NCSoft/Paragon Studios saw the value in using it as a way to attract NEW CUSTOMERS, something that people constantly ***** about that NCSoft isn't doing enough of. This is why the new enhancements are designed specifically with new people in mind.Originally Posted by Disappearing Girl
You dont understand how I or others could feel tricked?
I would of brought a different product if I wasnt mislead into thinking I had all the information. That leads to a feeling of having been mislead/tricked.
It really amazes me how this can escape you.
As already said, I understand thier business desicon.
I know next time I will have to examine every possible word as per a legal document.
Not only that, AT NO POINT did they ever say that they would never do any other promotions, just that there were no plans to. (And plans can change). So, the information they gave in the beginning was correct and honest. There was no misinformation, no lies, no secret Nemesis plot to screw us. You don't like it? Fine. You feel dissapointed? That's fine as well. But you wern't lied to, screwed over, or any of that other [censored] people want to claim, so get over it for gods sake. -
Quote:And nowhere does it say "There will never be any incentives for preordering it at retail".Originally Posted by KingSnake
This is the part that pisses me off
Only the separate City of Heroes Going Rogue expansion will be available for prepurchase. The Complete Collection will not be available for prepurchase, nor are there any incentives for preordering it at retail.
I take that for what it says. From a red name. I see nothing that says "currently" or "offeres maychange with time." or some such nonsence. -
Quote:Besides the fact that they don't need to be made as Vet Rewards, because people just need to get over this greedy, selfish, "OH GOD IT'S SOOOOO HORRIBLE" mentality?Originally Posted by Redbone
Just to clarify, at this point, the natural direction of any theoretical "other preorders" would be more enhancements. These are Dam/Rech+Proc, Best Buy could get Acc/End+Proc, Amazon could get Acc/Rech+Proc and HHGreggs could get Dam/End+Proc and Barnes and Noble could get End/Rech+Proc. There's many combinations possible that would make each agreement just as "good" as any other mechanically and would keep the retailers happy. They could also keep the Dam/Rech enhancements but swap the types procs around (Best Buy's procs buff self, Amazon's Debuff the target and so on).
As for awarding them as a Vet Reward, I see no reason they couldn't be offered as a VERY high level Vet Reward in a similar way to how the Temp Powers are, you get a choice of them, selecting a "set" based on the retailer which locks out the others to that particular alt. With a system like that, they could easily milk a Vet Reward out of each preorder (you still select, but you'd need the same number of Vet Reward awards as there were retailers to claim them all on one alt) but yes, it ocudl get unbalencing in the low-level game quickly to award more than one or two (two because the preorder folks get one right off the bat). The only thing they could not do as a Vet Reward is offer more than 2 "sets" of these types of enhancements to award instantly upon your first login, because there's not enough room in the enhancement tray for more than two groups. They could also make each "set" unique to a power (so if you slot one of them, you can't slot a second of it's group, or the opposite, you slot it in one you can't slot a different "set" of these types into it.
There are other conceivable ways to offer "the same" mechanical benefits for other preorders and loads of conceivable ways to make them Vet Rewards. -
Quote:We didn't Pre-Order. We Pre-PURCHASED. Theres a difference. (Pre-Purchasing is where we pay for the entire thing in advance. Pre-Ordering is where you put down a small amount of money to have a store reserve a copy for you with the promise that you will purchase it on launch day).Originally Posted by Mad_Cow_Milk
We pre-ordered directly from them, not some 2nd or 3rd party. We should be rewarded the most and not miss out on anything. That is the general feel of a lot of people here.
People don't want to be left out in such a social game ether. Because of this we all feel compelled to go out and pre-order the game again! Spending another $40. That is a lot of money for something we mostly already have.
Pre-Ordering directly from them shouldn't make us have buyer's remorse. We feel cheated because not once the game comes out we don't seem to be getting anything special for it from that point.
Also, I'd like to point out that those of us who pre-purchased, us so called "Loyal Customers" got the very reward we were promised: The Ability to use Dual Pistols and Demon Summoning long before anyone else. We got what we were promised, we knew what it would be, and just because theres something else new and shiny that's coming out doesen't mean we should suddendly get it just because we're "Loyal Customers". -
Quote:Unless, you know, you decided to reuse them in a different power or stick them in another build.Originally Posted by Forbin_Project
Exactly, and "soulbound" items would have no market resale value after they were slotted making it pointless to use a respec to pull them off of a build.
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Quote:This.Originally Posted by Aggelakis
Uh, they never said they WOULDN'T. They said there were no plans to, at the time. And there weren't. There is a very big difference. One means they went back on their word (tantamount to lying). The other means they changed their minds. They have also said there are no current plans to offer a second preorder bonus through another store. But that doesn't mean "definitely will not make plans", it means "there are no plans RIGHT NOW".
They never lied. They never said they wouldn't do something else, but as stated just that they didn't have plans to do anything else at the time. Plans can change. -
Quote:Okay, how was it NOT a fair, open deal? Did NCSoft lie to you? Did they not provide you the bonuses you paid for (Dual Pistols and Demon Summoning) when you pre-purchased Going Rogue? Did they pull a bait-and-switch?Originally Posted by Disappearing Girl
Would of been nice to know this before the earlier deal. Dont understand the rose coloured glasses from the people supporting this a a fair, open deal.
So its not really a happy annocuement for a lot of people who prepurchased );
And soul binding tech is now here ): Bet incarnate stuff uses it ):
What people have right now is buyers remorse. That's not the same thing as being screwed, or NCSoft being evil, or anything like that. People need to get the hell over it. -
Quote:So... by that line of thought, Spam Filters gimp E-mail programs like Outlook, and the ability to disable receiving PM's means the forums are gimped.Originally Posted by TonyV
Yes. I admit, it sounds paradoxical, but here's the rationale behind the statement.
I have never, ever seen calls to implement this feature except in relation to RMT spam. In fact, RMT spam was practically non-existent before Issue 9, and up to that point, I had never seen anyone ever have any problem with e-mail at all, except a question now and then on how to use it. -
Quote:*SPOILER WARNING!*Originally Posted by TonyV
(Sorry Tal, like LiquidX, I'm drawing a blank here...)
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Quote:Welcome back, man! It's good to see you again.Originally Posted by Tal_N
Hi folks, this might actually be a bit redundent since I would imagine most of the old posse aren't around anymore but if you are then I'll see you again in Paragon City. I saw the devs finally got around to adding some new powersets and that i19 will finally give something for level 50s to do so I'll be brushing off SFX since retiring him over 2 years ago and heading into the frey once more.
Anyway, cya on the streets and around the forum.
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Quote:Of course, I'm a regular player myself, so thankfully I don't have to play nice and can call this what it is: The usual overreactions and tendency of people to want to call screwjob on the slightest little things.Originally Posted by MrHassenpheffer
-Or- Maybe "he" did...
A bit of gentle insight...
People crying doom and whining = Paying customers voicing their opinions and concerns.
Or as the business savvy would call it.... Valuable customer feedback. This form of customer communication is typical and shouldn't by any means require a negative response from the business owners... unless of course said provider of services plans on not STAYING in business... Which is why there are things such as public representatives to take the heat instead of developers and engineers...<the types that have NO PEOPLE SKILLS> Also see "Kid gloves"
If I ever got on any type of forum and described any of -MY- customers as people "whining and crying" when they had a legitimate concern for the product they purchase- I wouldn't be able to stay home and play video games all day
I'm glad I don't insult my customers. Even when they are belligerent. It only means they either don't understand something or there is a problem with the actual product itself.
99% of the time they simply don't understand something. Providing a service to rude and obnoxious people while being polite, patient and understanding: That's what customer service is.
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Quote:No, what they are upset about is that the enhancements, unlike every other enhancement, will not be tradable with other players (Hence "Soulbound"), and are worried that it's setting the precedent for it to be applied to more enhancements in the future.Originally Posted by Forbin_Project
Someone's afraid the devs will remove the privilege of being able to pull 10 enhancements off of a build during a respec.
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Quote:Clue is the best movie adaptation of a game, ever. Hell, Clue is just a great movie, period.Originally Posted by Dark Ether
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Quote:You mean the same Panic mixed with cynicism that's been going on since the game was released? EVERY TIME something happens, people flip out and start singing the Doom song. They cried doom when they fixed Smoke Grenade, with PvP, Base Raids, ED, CO in the works, Limited Edition costume codes at cons, and on and on and on.Originally Posted by ChaosExMachina
I sounded more negative than I am there. This was a deal they had to make. However, Castle specifically said that there is no equip binding mechanism in game yet, at least with recipes. If there is code to do it included with GR, it does raise the possibility.
The specifics of it should not particularly bother anybody, but it's the precedent. There is rampant speculation about the subscriber numbers and GR with very little info available. NC has a very well documented history of closures. That's a formula for tons of speculation about what every little addition might mean. What I read here and in the response at EU is basically panic mixed with cynicism about the owning company.
They would be wise to release some sort of substantive positive info about GR soon, not to quiet a bunch of silly drama, but to instill some confidence in the population and generate anticipation.
When people cry about the end of the world for year after year, eventually someones gonna get lucky, but not because he actually knew what the hell he was talking about. -
Quote:Hey, it's a valid medical problem for seniors, so it's nothing to be ashamed of. Plus, I hear theres some great medication for it nowadays.Originally Posted by Golden Girl
And not realizing you've got hot-linking problems?
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Quote:Yeah, but the rep was European, so it was okay.Originally Posted by enrious2
That's flat un-American.
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Quote:I'm not even sure what bit of insanity prompted them to turn it back on in the first place. Maybe because there's no moderator left who remembers the whole Star Rating idiocy.Originally Posted by enrious2
Until, that is, the moderators do the right thing and turn it off.
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Quote:Your making the assumption that they will. There is just as good a chance that they wont make them available as vet rewards, or through other means.Originally Posted by Golden Girl
I think that'd be way too soon for an "exclusive" to become available to everyone - I think they'll wait at least until next year before making them into a vet reward.
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Quote:Actually, they get stuffed into a cardboard box and mailed to Abu-Dhabi.Originally Posted by Electric-Knight
The system really is stupid. Unless, it is just a trap for trolls and jerks. They send anonymous rude/offensive/rule-breaking comments, thinking they can get away with it... and, whamo, they get sent to Siberia!! Maybe?
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Quote:It's a little known fact that the Rep Cabal is a sister organization to the Forum Cartel.Originally Posted by enrious2
Rep comments are still subject to the forum user guidelines - if you were getting them, report them to a mod. Note that if there is the "cabal" you describe, there is nothing against it in the rules or policies. Of course, it could simply be that you have a fairly unique amount of emo-whining that encourages a large number people to express their scorn of you.