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Originally Posted by Wavicle

Actually, you're the one who's wrong. CoH is NOT like other MMOs in that you Don't need the 'holy trinity'.

Originally Posted by Shannon_EU

Yep and it's played by failures all failing to quit too.

*Hangs head in shame*

Originally Posted by Arondell

Actually its probably as accurate as it can be. Since several sets in the Defender AT have no heals at all. In several other sets the heal is either a very minor aspect or linked to a debuff. Its really only one set, Empathy, were the heals have a significant place and even with that set the buffs are at least as important if not more important.

Since every other MMO lives by the Tank, Dps, healer trinity it causes *problems* in CoH/V since the game is designed in such a way that buffs/debuffs are just as powrful....well actually in some cases more powerful then healing. e.g. I was once asked to leave the team when on my Sonic/ right after I was invited. Apparently the team was taking too much damage and needed a healer.

Originally Posted by Hobo_Healer

City of Heroes does not live by the holy trinity. See the Repeat Offenders, we have proved that the holy trinity is not needed in this game many times over.

Originally Posted by Cardiff_Giant

Well, some of us... Actually managed to do BOTH of these things!
(Which apparently, is a somehow inconceivable, "Herculean Accomplishment" in your... mind/eyes/opinion?)

And FWIW, the PnP "Champs" game was "customizable" far beyond anything Jack (or anyone) would be able to pull-off in a computer game at this point - in the future... Sure, now not a chance!

You could use your character points to buy, for example: an "Energy Blast" or "RKA" (=ranged killing attack), then optionally apply 'advantages' or 'disadvantages' to it (=things that modified the game mechanic of the power & the point cost) Armor Piercing, Autofire, or limited Charges, only (or not) Usable in "___" Environment, etc.

Then you define the SFX of that power: flaming arrows, 'magic force' blasts, any sort of gun/ranged weapon, stale donuts & boiling coffee... = Whatever you can think of - as long as its only the Special Effects/SFX of the power - NOT the Mechanics of the power (that would require another advantage or disadvantage). Like, 'Bouncing' to reflect the shots off surfaces (To shoot foes behind some sort of cover, or around corners... or maybe not if you took "Line of Site" as a disadv.

One of the adv.'s was Variable Special Effects (maybe for an 'Archer' that can produce a variety of arrows or change the appearance of their arrows - like the Color of the archers arrows . Or arrows made of fire, ice, acid, etc.
But, "fire arrows" wouldn't set fire to anything, "ice arrows" wouldn't freeze anything, "acid arrows" wouldn't burn anything... Unless you bought them that way points - maybe via a "Linked" or triggered power.
That would, or could - work much like a "DOT" power...

It could be very simple or very complex (often depending on the GM) and being good with (mostly basic) math helped players quite a bit - although you could always get help "Building a Character" from someone else - often the GM or another player between sessions.
And of course you had to explain your powers, = "run them by the GM" to get his approval some powers could "break" certain storylines/campaigns if you weren't careful - but that's true to some extent in most any game.

Sadly, I doubt we'll see that much freedom (or level of "Customization") in any MMO or computer game, anytime in the near future. I can't forsee a game engine that could handle the truly massive number of possible Game Mechanics and the possible interactions.
Or have the ability for the graphics/SFX to match the imaginations of the Players in a PnP game.

Back to the point, no MMORPG's "Customization" of powers is even remotely close to "New" - and they sure as heck... weren't/aren't all Jack's ideas!

The PnP/tabletop - "Champions - aka HERO System", followed by GURPS, and other games... Have all been WAY more customizable than any computer game published to date. MANY, many - "City of" players have wished the game was more customizable in a manner closer to 4th or 5th Ed. Champions, or GURPS Supers, or a handful of other SuperHero PnP RPG's.
And, when CO was announced - as having the (unbelievably bland) Champs IP - and not the HERO System - with it's point based character building/rules/mechanics/etc:
'There was a great disturbance in the Net, as if the hopes of millions (Ok, 10's of thousands) cried out and were suddenly squashed.' *sigh*

Originally Posted by PrincessDarkstar

I went back to look at your last comment because this still doesn't make a great deal of sense to me, are you saying human form will outdamage nova form?

I don't get your comment on Eclipse either, your first comment said that human form gets better defence out of Eclipse, and Obsidian was asking you how, then this comment makes it look like you are thinking Obsidian is saying Eclipse gives more defence in human, which he isn't.

Either way you are wrong about human causing more damage.

Out of the box the human form attacks cause about half the damage as nova, then you add in nova damage bonus on top of that.

You might be thinking about using Sunless Mire to boost human form damage, but that also boosts Nova damage by the same %, and with higher base damage that % counts for more.

Aside from Quasar, which is situational so can't be counted, and Gravity Well which is on a long recharge time so only adds the occasional spike of damage; human form cannot compare to Nova form in terms of damage output.

Originally Posted by ShadowSlicer

My Empath Defender is by far my favourite character, but I can't get over how everyone refers to him as a "Healer". It seems that everyone has generalized Empaths with healers when healing is only half of what makes them so unique. Less experienced players seem to overlook the pressence of the multitude of other powers Empaths possess. In fact, I feel I haven't done a good enough job at Defending if I have to heal. I prefer to protect my teamates rather than heal up the ones I didn't. So if you hear people calling out for a healer inform them of the much more important services you can provide.

Originally Posted by Obsidian_Force2

If more efficient means using less brain cells and just toggling up and blasting like your average blaster/scrapper/tanker/lockdown artist controller then yes.

More damage? lol, No. sorry. The damage bonuses given to squid form will always beat out human blasts, and anything the human only can do the Tri-Form can do with a couple less slots in it at most (and using sets the lost slots are almost insignificant).

More moves? Again no. 27 powers is "27 possible moves" while thr Tri-Form has 25 moves + another 9 "moves" from the forms.

More defence via Eclipse? Exactly how do you get past the ressist cap I seem to reach from using Eclipse on my Tri-Form?

Originally Posted by Kanto2

My advice is to chill a bit on the agressivity. Dying against minions and lieutenants? What sort of thing do you have set to cause that? I think you're missing the point in farming if you're aiming for difficulty, the idea is to rake cash/tickets to buy what we need.

Now please, chill. Yes, you're proud of your character and I'm sure it can do wonders.

Originally Posted by Mr_DJ

nice back peddling, history has shown since Jack left we've been getting things we've been asking for, and with BABs little secret password posts, people knew it was only a matter of time.

it's easy to say we took from CO...after all, it's not like they didn't build the game from the ground up to include it, to whereas our Devs have to do extra work to make it functional.

Originally Posted by EmperorSteele

So wait, if you never played that game, then how can you be sure CoX ripped it off?

If you're gonna troll, be consistent!

Originally Posted by Schismatrix

Ummm, have you played Champions (the pnp version)? For most of its history the pnp game had no especially original characters. (Foxbat aside.) Almost all of the sample characters and settings provided were basically recolored versions of iconic Marvel or DC characters/organizations/settings. (Mechanon, especially the earlier versions, was such a direct clone of Marvel's Ultron it was amusing.)

Now Hero Games did eventually create a fairly distinct cast of characters and organizations, but the City of X characters and groups resemble the Champions settings and characters less than most other superhero settings.

Of course this is based on my owning most of the Champions material from the first box set to a variety of post Hero System Fifth Edition supplements. (Including the Fifth Edition release of the Champions setting.) You may have material for Champions that was never published outside of the Hero Games studios, but otherwise i don't see where you got that.

*Dr. Wrong and his Wrongbots rant goes here*

Originally Posted by biff10426

Just about everything, just the names of certain groups/people were change to, ya know, avoid being sued or something I dunno.

Originally Posted by Golden_Girl_EU

I never said I did it while teaming
Right now, I'm not in the game, and am listening to my iPod with Yahoo Messenger open.
In a short while, I'll load the game, and maybe run a TF or missions, or maybe just chat in-game too

Originally Posted by Dersk

If you're going to accuse someone of lying, leave your ignorance and arrogance at the door. I didn't say the RWZ existed before IOs.

Originally Posted by KaliMagdalene

The Rikti War Zone Challenge was not around long before IOs. Issue 9 introduced IOs. Issue 10 introduce the RWZ. Issue 11 introduced purple sets.

Edit: Just clarifying timelines.

Originally Posted by Golden_Girl_EU

So totally not true

The forums are fun, but RL has more variety

Originally Posted by TrueMetal

Just out of curiousity. Why are you so vehemently opposed to people spending *their* free time on a forum? Why would people *need* to stop posting for more than a month? It is in no way, shape or form any more or less productive than actually playing the game. Both are just what they are, a pastime.

You find people posting on a forum sad? Well I find people like you, trying to dictate what others should do with their free time sad.

Originally Posted by Golden_Girl_EU

It's possible to multitask - I usually post while play, talking on the telephone, or chatting on Yahoo Messenger - or sometimes even while reading, or listening to music or watching a movie or TV

Doing several things at once helps make each day a richer experience

Originally Posted by Quincy_Archer

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It makes you all sad human beings. Even BaBs knows it's sad. Instead of playing the game you accumulate high post numbers? how is that ever good?. And then people hate it when you call them sheep....I think Einstein was right about humans....

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Because you know... people can't play the game AND post.
Or check the forums while at work when playing isn't possible.
Or used to play and has a computer which the game works on and off for.
Or got bored of the game and sticks around to talk to buddies that were made.

But why rationalize when you can be a complete and utter dbag to everyone else? Post less plz.

Originally Posted by Extor_Prime

Post-Kheldian retooling, I've been wondering if I could avoid using Nova form entirely.

Mind you, I like the squiddy thingy of doom, but it takes too damn long to flip into it sometimes. Dwarf Mire -> Human -> Mire -> Nova results in the dwarf mire being gone by the time I'm done flipping, and exposes me to a lot of incoming hostility.

I'm wondering if Dwarf Mire -> Human -> Mire -> Blasting might be a tad more efficient. What does Nova have that the Post-I13 humans don't? (Besides flight of course).

Originally Posted by Coldmed

well only one way to prove it krunch


my fire tank vs your fire/kin.

i have my farm mish that i will let you into and we'll see how you like it...no worries though its only lt's and miniions...nothing else.

but ill can tell you you wont survive it

soon as test opens up we can head on over and try it.


then when you return from your hospital trip maybe your fire/kin can show me how much better you are at farming the storm palace

Originally Posted by Shannon_EU

Yeah but can they tank the entire inner circle together like tanks can? I think not. 2 level 54 AVs is my limit for complete control as a Scrapper, I don't think its getting any higher....and to top it off no defender or controller is a requirement either. In fact I have every reason to believe that its possible for a team made up of scrappers and blasters only can do the MoSTF. What the tanker, defender and controllers can bring though is more security.

Originally Posted by Sarrate

I share many of the sentiments others have posted. It would hurt Tanker stacking and it would/could bring back herding.

Herding as a tool isn't necessarily bad, and if I'm in an opportunistic situation, I will bring two groups together. Exclusively herding as it was in the old days ("wait here while I herd the entire floor") was not positive. It was boring spending more time waiting than fighting. Then there were situations where my Regen Scrapper was shredded in seconds due to AoEs on the Tanker - that is through toggle IH, mind you.

I didn't play a Tank back then, but I can understand why it would be fun (for the Tank). Having said that, I'm not eager to return to those days at all despite my current Tank fascination.

Originally Posted by Kruunch

I think you're taking the conversation out of the scope of what it was intended.

Stone Armor will always be greater then Will Power given equivelant builds, simply because it starts from a stronger base. In that you are correct.

However both can exceed in durability anything this game has to throw at them. Given that, the general consensus is that WP is much more satisfying to play in that it doesn't come with Stone's penalties (both mechanical and aesthetic).

P.S. - I spent about 40mil influence on my WP Tanker and he out tanks most every Stoner I've compared him to. One of the perks about WP is that it's easier (and cheaper) to build defense then it is to build recharge via IOs.