KyleVance

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  1. Quote:
    Originally Posted by Fulmens View Post
    No matter how stupid or pointless, there is SOMEONE who will go through with any moneysaving scheme. Not very many, but saying "Nobody would do that" is almost never right.
    Alright, but for the sake of argument let's just say it's a seven day duration (for a returning player seven days is more than enough to know whether the game is worth coming back to). It would take 13 accounts to do a rotation and keep a second one active. The best way to do it would be to buy them one by one, and cancel them as soon as the free month is up. Let's just say you can get them for $15 instead of $20 for argument sake.

    That's still 13 months of actually paying. You could then finally start rotating them, and it would take you another 13 months to recover from that initial investment - over two years before you even broke even and could start "profiting" from defrauding the system.

    I'm not saying nobody in the world would do it, and I'm not saying there aren't people who would do it with less accounts and simply not have two accounts up 24/7. I'm just saying that the benefit would outweigh the risk of abuse

    But at any rate it doesn't matter, that's clearly not how the system works - and I don't see it changing anytime soon so this discussion is a tad on the pointless side.
  2. Quote:
    Originally Posted by Rajani Isa View Post
    Masterblade isn't referring to the sending account getting free time, but rather that the receiving account would be getting free time without ever resubbing.
    Oh I know, my point is that nobody would abuse it to play the game for a week every 90 days. If you like the game enough to play, you play - if not, you don't play. If it was a week every 30 days I could see that - but the "must be inactive for 90+ days" stipulation pretty much kills that sort of abuse.

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    Anyway, we hope they end up liking it here as well. Don't forget, you can also have them get trial accounts (use that refer-a-friend!) and have them team with you - that's perfectly within the limits and works well with SSK.
    That's the plan. We wanted to get our "big" toons into the mix so they could get an idea for what the game becomes. The low levels of CoX are pretty "meh," but once your characters start to bloom - they *really* bloom. :-D
  3. Quote:
    Originally Posted by Master-Blade View Post
    That's how the Refer-a-friend works.. but like I said, invite-a-friend-back doesn't.
    Yes... I understand that my original understanding of the system is incorrect.

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    You still need to be gone for 3 months to qualify for the free time, so they've already lost that subscription time, and giving away a few extra days to encourage a re-sub isn't that bad...
    No, I realize it certainly isn't a large loss by any means.

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    If it were the way YOU want it to be, then they'd be giving away the free time to the "friend" account without resubscribing anyway, which would surely get exploited by people rotating 3 or 4 accounts every few months for free... and that wouldn't really in the company's best interest... which is why making the re-subscription mandatory a reasonable thing.
    Except that the invites would still need to be sent from an active account, and the bonus would not be awarded until the "revived" account actually re-subscribed and paid for a month of service. So lets say they let people invite friends back to the game for a week to try to convince them to play again, and you had 7 days before it expired. You could only be "revived" in this manner once every 90 days. So to "exploit" the system to play two accounts for the price of one you would need one active and legitimately paid for account - and 13 accounts that you rotate through to keep a second one active at all times for free. If they gave you 15 days to decide whether or not you want to resubscribe (which is far more than required in my opinion), you would still need six "alt" accounts to rotate through. This, of course, assumes that anyone would want to rotate between six different accounts - and purchase seven different accounts.

    In short it simply would not be practical to try and abuse the system, and if it did turn out that people exploited it for whatever reason - they could simply limit the amount of invitations you could send out in a given time frame.



    Look, I'm just saying that the revival did not work how I had thought. I'm not saying "OMG if NCSoft doesn't refund me my $30 then I'm going to call my credit card company and file a complaint." I do realize it was my mistake, not theirs. The wording could be more clear, but I should have read it more carefully. I would *like* a refund, but I'm not expecting one. It's not even that I don't want to come back to the game - I just don't like spending money that I did not intend to spend. $30 isn't the end of the world, so if I end up throwing it away it's not like I plan to swear off NCSoft and Paragon Studios for the rest of my life. Oh well, hopefully I can convince my friends to play with me and it won't be wasted money anyway.

    The only problem is, I showed them Champions Online first. Personally, I think City of Heroes is definitely the better game for the team - but saying "Just wait until you get into your 20's, the game gets better" isn't very convincing when they just played "Ooo shiny!" that is ridiculously cumbersome to group in.
  4. I took it to mean (what it used to mean), that once we *actually* resubscribed to the game, and paid for a month, then the person who brought us back to the game would get their free bonus time. That's how every other program like this for MMO's I've played works, and how this one used to work if my memory (and apparently other people in this threads) serves correct.

    The program doesn't even really make sense at that point, anyone who would participate in this program would be coming back to the game anyway - NCSoft is just giving away free time in that case. You still need to take the leap of faith that the game has gotten better and pay the $15 to resub.
  5. Yup, I checked before I made the forum post. Both accounts had been inactive for 90+ days (we havn't played CoH since Wrath of the Lich King was released).
  6. That's what I thought, I've used it before too on alternate accounts. It seems that either there was an error for some reason on both of our accounts today - or they changed the program without a proper explanation of the new rules.

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    Jan 23, 2010 17153945 City of Heroes® [1 month subscription] $14.99 (USD) Paid
    Created On: Apr 28, 2004
    Account Type: Standard

    Account Status: Playable
    Playable Until: Mar 10, 2010

    Subscription: none

    Total Paid Time: 1 Years, 3 Months
    Veteran Rewards Time: 1 Years, 7 Months

    I went ahead and canceled my subscriptions as soon as I realized it had billed my card, but it looks like I was billed today for one months subscription - but I have about a month and a half of played time now.
  7. Well that seems a little disingenuous, it billed us immediately for one month each >.>

    I put in a support ticket to get the accounts closed and the subscription refunded, hopefully they get back to us relatively quickly.
  8. Got the error fixed, turned out the folder it was in had an invalid timestamp for some reason. Now I'm stuck on loading though (the in-game loading, not the splash screen... the login options aren't coming up for some reason)
  9. I'm trying to come back to the game and get some friends to come with me, but I can't even open the client. The patcher loads up fine, patched me to the latest version - I verified all files to ensure everything was in order.

    When I try to actually open the game it crashes out immediately with the following error:

    Debug Assertion Failed!

    program: D:\...CityOfHeroes.exe
    file: dtoxtime.c
    Line: 65

    Expression: (((yr - 1900) >= _BASE_YEAR) && ((yr-1900) <= _MAX_YEAR))

    For information on how your program can cause an assertion failure, see the visual C++ documentation on asserts.

    Press Retry to debug the application.

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    Google isn't of much help, anyone know how I can fix this?
  10. My fiance and I bounce back and forth between several MMO's, City of Heroes has always been our "take a break from WoW" MMO. Anyway, this time around we've really grown attached to a couple of people we play Warcraft with and are trying to convince them to play City of Heroes with us.

    The problem is, the low level game starts out a bit slow - and we want to show them what it's like once you get some real powers under your belt, so we want to show them our characters. We don't want to resubscribe to the game for what may end up being 3-days of trying to convince them to play with no luck.

    Is anyone out there willing to send us a couple of "come back to CoH!" invites so we can access our higher level toons to show them around the game? If we can convince them to join, it'll turn into real re-subscriptions and you'll get some free play time out of the deal :-D

    Thanks in advance!