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Originally Posted by Funk_X

I cant commit to a weekly thing, but if i'm around i can bring anything.

Originally Posted by Neuronia

Thanks for playing everyone.
It was definitely fun playing a disruption toon vs. my usual heal/buffbot and it was very enjoyable fighting vs. everyone.

I'd like to thank Funk and Kiwi for carrying the offense, it was a pleasure setting up KB/Mez spikes to help with your targeting.

Next in line, everyone else including Machina for the 20+ kill caves match, Cloud Surge for the disruption, everyone else who showed up even when shorthanded (severely so in some cases) and made a game of it. LOL @ the Eden map when we are all chasing around Warpus down the tunnels, that was pretty epic and funny.

I hope that everyone had fun. I know myself when you are on the short end of the stick it can be very frustrating but you do learn and you adapt and hopefully you get better too.
Next season is a 4 v 4 season so the format will change less to KSing and open-ended madness to a more focused team approach. Hope to see many of you in the Arena then with your teams. You won't be constrained to your single character either, so that's a big plus for those of us with several builds to bring to the table.

Thanks for the great sportsmanship, see you next season! Oh, I also got a Glad Jav dam/rech in there.

P.S. LF 3 teammates, hopefully Funk, Kiwi and Machina are in that mix for the next season...I'll be rolling my Emp or Therm or Cold or Rad....

Cheers everyone.

Originally Posted by vindizzLe

You've been trying to make this argument about top tier teams "spreading the wealth" forever now, and it's an absolute joke.

Practically every single competitive FPS that has enjoyed a level of sustained prosperity in the realm of competition has not used an "open" draft, or forcefully spread out skilled players in order to generate a greater level of players on various teams.

Using Counterstrike as an example, the game has simply succeeded by sheer virtue of players joining teams, practicing, taking their losses, gaining experience, moving on to other teams until they eventually find their success.

I for one would love to help the community, but not at the full expense of the level of fun that I'm having. That fun comes partially from the game system, but I stay because of the people that I've been able to team with over time.

Every team that has found success in this game did so through extensive practice, taking repeated losses and eventually finding success, similar to the example I used above with Counterstrike.

My philosophy with helping D6ers to practice wasn't getting them all together onto a team and putting them up against another team. I honestly preferred to take a select few dedicated D6ers, throw them into a D8 match, and have them take their deaths. When you're playing with individuals who have a higher skill level than you, you push yourself further to learn, adapt, and reach their level, if at least to "keep up" with them.

Attempting to get a larger group of inexperienced players and peppering in experienced players in order to create more teams only ends up creating frustration for certain players in the end. It takes practice and dedication to eventually reach a level of success in anything that you do, even a hobby.

I may run my mouth and act like an absolute idiot on the 24/7, but I'll be the first person to admit the astronomical amount of losses I've taken. Many of them deserved, some of them notsomuch. With all of those losses I've taken, I've still come back to play the game and enjoy myself. If someone else is unable to do so, perhaps gaming competitively in this game isn't for them. It's that simple.

I can name plenty of teams that were inexperienced, were laughed at, and were destroyed in practice after practice, official after official. Eventually they came into their own and got the credit that they were looking for. I can think of plenty of players that over time have gained experience and flourished in particular roles in PvP. I know you're bitter that you'll never be one of them, Supermax, but that doesn't disprove my point.

Case in point: Attempting to force a draft on the ladder is a terrible idea, and that's putting my own personal bias aside.

On the note of the league being on test or on Freedom. The pros still outweigh the cons. It's not impossible to generate interest on a live server when all of the PvPers are now concentrated there. With all of us in arena chat, in zones, and doing kickballs on live, it is certainly an attainable goal if that goal is to spread interest to other players on a live server.

Freedom as a fallback server is a great idea, and while I understand that those that took part in the FPvPL have access to IO'd builds, I can speak from experience when I say that many D6ers that joined our team eventually became inactive simply because they could not afford a proper build in order to make them competitive. Playing on test helps to circumvent that issue, and guarantees that newer players that may not have the means to create a "Statesguard ReLoaded" (see: Retarded) esque build for one toon, much less a variety. Not all of us are Peril. Test ensures that if we have the stable of characters, we have the means to see them fully IO'd out, which elevates the level of competition even further. Again, this also creates build diversity, and line-up diversity. Isn't that something that a bunch of you were whining about?

Originally Posted by Vexington

Why can't you understand that some teams will still be better than others? Did you also read what Psoma said? 'Cause it's a great point. People will play with their friends. This is supposed to be fun, remember? Any team can do well. Add practice. Boom, good to go. GG

Also, as far as competition, if you're not immediately able to have close matches with top tier teams, you'll still have good matches with others until you get to that point. You're supposed to be working towards something, and what's better than something just outa reach at the time? >.>

Originally Posted by Vexington

Right, I'm not sure why you're concerned. Do you plan on being a bottom rung?

It'll work itself out. Some players/teams will be better than others. When there's a swing/shift a #1 team can now be at the bottom. These things can/will happen in time.

If you'd like to propose an "EVERYONE wins" suggestion, we could just all go PvE. That's not realistic, is what I'm telling you.

Originally Posted by Neuronia

Meh we had SOME drama but it was mostly over line-ups:

Doyler and Bleak: Dudes, we totally need to run two-Stalker lineups.
Psoma: I dunno, more Psy Blasters good?
Slax: Sure, our officials are practices anyway

Match time: We're short, we go with the Blasters anyway.

>.<

Frost Elf didn't really add drama so much as entertainment and a different point of view. It's like when you've got your regular group of peeps doing stuff then the "Off the wall girl/guy" shows up and it's really fun at first but then it turns into some weird post-punk Noh play with cymbals and dadaist paper-mache structures.

Rei was fun to have around, she didn't really bring drama so much as...zaniness and oddballities.



(I kinda miss the Russian folk songs, they weren't Healing Hank storytime-right-before-bed-nice/fun but they were great.)

Originally Posted by Wulfman

Yes, the problem has been fixed. And yes, the Twilight Avengers are planning another sponsored raid. At the moment, the date is not set in stone. I'm on the road a lot for work atm, and I don't want to conflict with other server events (such as the Pinnacle Cup).

As such, I'm tentatively aiming for Thursday, June 17th, at 9:30 p.m. for the next redside raid. I will let you know when we have set the date in stone, but go ahead and mark your calendars...in pencil.

Originally Posted by Silit

You came in a close second for the team with least drama, but you had frost elf d and the nonsense that came with her.

Originally Posted by BuckWild

I know a few places with Jizz in it. Namely JK's mouth.