I Burnt The Toast

No my point was as I stated: Ignorance is not a valid excuse.
If you are not aware of a culture of a country...then maybe you shouldn't be trying to use their culture against them. Relying on the internet for an in depth view of any culture is a bit ignorant.
My point was: If Titan does not STOP something that is inflammatory on THEIR boards; which they have the tools to do, then they are responsible for the image created by those actions. There's a reason boards are moderated...because what is or is not allowed there is a reflection of ...that community.

Let's put it this way: As a Korean I was offended enough to leave Titan...that should tell them something; even if the only message that sends NOW is to maybe moderate their boards a little more. I am done discussing the kibun; people who view it as wrong view it as wrong...those who don't ...never will understand the cultural significance no matter how many posts. Apparently it makes no significance that a Korean has stated it is a disgusting thing to do....because it's a cool idea according to the interwebs

Thanks.... I've since added to my ignore list I have no problem discussing/debating on a forum, but comments are about as useful as they were before 8/31.

When you are beaten, ridiculed, and called twinyoo because of where you were born... comments and humor aimed at degrading your ethnicity/culture are pretty intolerable.

You are the first person I have ever ignored on these forums. I may be a lot of things but racist is not one of them. You do not know what I have gone through as a Korean in the US nor my experience with racial hatred towards me and my family. You have no idea what kibun is or how important it is to Koreans. Whatever you have read (or likely not read) on the internet does not even remotely portray the scope of it in the Korean culture.

/ignored

STOP! I DARE you to show me where I called ANY German a Nazi. I stated a kibun is like sending a Yellow Star of David with the word murderer on it to a German. IN NO WAY does that equate me thinking or calling them a Nazi!
What it does mean is it is a grossly degrading thing to do based off their past/culture.

I'm not sure if you are being purposefully ignorant or are just stupid and can't comprehend what I wrote.

The intent; even if humorous to you...IS degrading to people of Korean ethnicity. I'm sure some people think black jokes are funny too....or slanted eye jokes....or polish jokes...still makes them unacceptable to society as a whole.

FYI that Korean you defended ... was me and I sent you a PM thanking you.

I have never said everyone who posts AT Titan is racist. What I have said is that TITAN is. When an entity allows such things to exist and get out of hand...that ENTITY is responsible. If you do not want your organization to be seen a certain way then you need to make sure you aren't seen that way by policing. If Titan does not want to be seen as advocating something like the kibun; they do have moderation tools as well as a voice to stop it. Titan has key figures: TonyV, Mercedes Lackey, and Rae for example. Mercedes Lackey is the one who sent the largest kibun letter. Like I said...I don't hate her, but I think what she did was morally reprehensible. Do I think that because I understand kibun...yes. Then again as a Korean American I would never feel comfortable initiating something similar to a kibun from a culture I had no first hand experience with (Africa for example); regardless of what others told me or I found on the internet.

So now you are saying they are just ignorant so it's ok?

All of these come to your from Titan.

So? You think had the announcement been made Friday September 7, 2012 the Devs would not have still been upset on Monday September 10th? I mean seriously.. that is your argument...that it was a racist thing to do a on a 3 day holiday weekend?

I am a Korean American; see there.. American and Korean. I took absolutely NO Anti-American statement from the date of the closure.

Instead of trying to be coy and twisting things...be an adult.

It is called a METAPHOR. I NEVER said that is how I perceive the German culture.
In fact if you would have actually read and understood what I said: It would be a VERY disgusting and hateful thing to do....like the kibun.

Pretty sure irregardless of THAT Friday..the one before..or the one after...their weekend was ruined.

Realllly?

The letter.. The images posted to Twitter (Ya know the Red NCSoft ones etc).

If by polite you mean "How much can we shame them"...sure.

Your completely American understanding of kibun is WAY off. That's like saying "I politely spit in his face."

Have you read their boards lately?
And the kibun was not a "couple" people...a large part of the Titan community participated in...suggested..and endorsed the kibun. If Titan was not FOR it they have several mods who react quite quickly. The kibun was an ill conceived, poorly executed, culturally repugnant campaign...endorsed by Titan.

I said the kibun attack was racist. If you disapprove of NCSoft because of them closing CoH I fail to see how that has anything to do with Korea. I also fail to see how their action (the date) even remotely insinuates it was an Anti-American move. If they were trying to be Anti-American they could have forced the announcement ON Labor Day and said something..ya know.. Anti-American.

An anonymous statement by an ex employee stating how they perceived the situation....aimed at a company.
The other...a direct personal assault based off limited cultural knowledge meant to inflict shame.
Just because someone states their opinion based off their direct experience as an employee; does not mean a group of people are in the right for trying to embarrass/shame someone because they are emotionally upset over a business decision. I signed off Titan once it began using hate as part of it's campaign...and they call me the mean guy

My only "vendetta" is to debunk gibberish; whether it be from Titan or elsewhere. My analysis of NCSoft stock is relative to the DATA that is out there and not an emotional knee-jerk reaction. I don't care if Titan sanctions hate...but that is the main reason I left Titan. I am not out to "prove" anything about Titan; hell it will all be irrelevant in 2 weeks when these forums disappear. I am not even angry at Mercedes Lackey for her kibun; I don't approve of it and think it was a horrible thing to do, but hate? Nah. Erich Fromm said it best "Hate is a product of the unfulfilled life." I don't have the need or time to hate. The issue I have with it is that it was an ill conceived idea that was perpetuated by internet research in an effort to shame someone using their own culture against them. I compare(d) it to: Sending a German company that ceases a product a bunch of Yellow Stars of David with the word MURDERER wrote on them. To me that was the final straw in the declining morality of a group that calls themselves heroes.

My motivation? Maybe someone will actually stop and read what people are writing here and think about their position regarding all of this.

It's one thing to be emotional over something...it is another to let your emotions dictate what you perceive to be truth and reality. I don't like NCSoft. I don't like that they closed down CoH. I don't like that they did not give more of a notice or slowly moved into maintenance, BUT... I understand their reasoning from a logical perspective. I understand their reasoning from a business perspective. I was sad when CoH was closed down. I cried at the rough draft (and final version) of your video. But I am also an adult and can control myself and my emotions. I can step back and see things for the way they truly are and not let my anger create things that aren't there or make me do things which are culturally reprehensible. My sadness will not make my moral objection to an emulator disappear. My sadness will not make me state lies in order to vilify those who created the situation I am sad over. To let my emotions control me takes away my power to control myself...and gives it to someone else (NCSoft in this instance). My displeasure at NCSoft shutting down CoH will not control me and make me into a hateful person. Others have called me everything under the sun on these forums; all the while acting as if their comments are not indicative of their true intentions and a reflection of their character. I am not here to tr0ll...I am here to state what I perceive the truth to be. Unlike others though I do not define my truth by my emotions, but rather by as much fact as possible; not hearsay...fact. Could I say things in a "nicer" way...sure, but why censor myself here? I loathe sugar coating things and if people are offended by my bluntness that is their choice. My words here are no more or less "blunt" than they are when I deal with clients, friends, and family...because I value honesty; and sometimes...the truth does hurt; especially those who don't want to hear the truth.

BRB I need to run to town...

Profitable and stable in...2007. Less profitable and not what many consider stable in 2012; more flat.

I ASSUMED you could tell that was my point from this: Emphasis mine
The Titan StockWatch group seems to think THEY are the reason the stock is falling; which is nonsensical to say the least. To think a small group of people in the US is having any impact on an Asian company who is barely represented in the US shows a complete lack of understanding about NCSoft stock.

A lot of big name companies have seen plummeting stock the past few months for various reasons; none of which are grass-root hate groups.

(Before you say Titan is not a hate group...remember you are speaking to a Korean who was disgusted by some of the actions against NCSoft by using Asian culture in an attempt to inflict shame; which was sanctioned by Titan. So yeah to me; as a Korean American...they are a hate group)

Ironik gives good mouth.

NO the one that was released 2 weeks ago.....which was not as good as stock holders had hoped for. Why would I reference LAST quarters report when I am talking about their stocks NOW after the 3rd quarter report?

Top that off with weak sales of B&S in Korea (where NCSoft is...) as well as other under performing titles (Aion/Lineage/Lineage II) in the East.... NCSoft stock is not made or broken by Western issues as the Western Market is minuscule compared to the Eastern Market. I don't care how many emoticons people throw out there...the reality is NCSoft stock is reacting to much bigger things....in Asia.

The stock slump has to do with the financial report, with Aion, Lineage and Lineage II taking massive revenue hits and Blade & Soul isn't performing up to expectations...you know...over in Korea. It's not rocket science. But you have to drop the hate and BS when you analyze stocks and companies.

Uhm CoH/SAVE/Titan isn't driving NCSoft stock prices down. Their stock is declining true, but it has nothing to do with CoH Are you prepared to state that their stock is being even moderately affected by CoH/Save/Titan if their stock prices go up...like they did on the day of the announcement A 50,000 sub MMO closing had no impact on 8/31...and if you think 100 people blogging/tweeting is... well that's just plain silly. A LOT of stocks are currently down big time...like Microsoft, Google, Apple, Activision Blizzard, Sony, and even Walmart have all taken dives the past 2-3 months... damn you Titan!

Paragon/CoH has not even registered a blip in South Korean news, and hasn't really been NEWS here in the US outside of some gaming sites and blogs. There are MUCH bigger reasons their stock is currently down. Sorry to hit ya with a reality bomb, but stock fluctuates and not because of a few people screaming #GAMEKILLER, a weekly Joystiq article, comment bombing, or blogging.

Good to know - Will definitely see ya this weekend then.