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You asked that question more than 3 times and I believe I responded already. Anyway, I believe it would be best if all body types get access to all pieces, but since I realise this is not an efficient use of the available resources, keeping the gender specific items to a minimum would be ideal (not be reducing the number, but by porting as many as possible between the body types).

Now, I get to ask a question. Why would men choose not to wear the boots and gloves that women get in this pack. The gloves could be a direct port and the boots could get a smaller heel, but I don't see anything gender specific about these items. Are you against these pieces ported to male toons?

I'm having a conversation, while trying to hear and respect all other opinions. You only care about your own opinion and feel the need to count the amount of follower each opinion gets.

I was referring to an actual post by Zwillinger that said "female exclusives only, everything else unisex". Now, I already accepted that I maybe have misunderstood that post, but 2 new faces don't exactly make a difference.

And you feel the need to belittle my opinion when you hide snarky remarks here and there for no apparent reason. Maybe you weren't taught the basics of adult conversation, but no matter who you discuss with, even if you don't agree or understand their opinions, you're still expected to show a basic degree of respect.

I hope you realise that in this specific context, extreme does not mean "in huge amount" but "approaching the furthest point from the centre". In this case, if you consider equal access to all costumes options for all body types to be the center of balance and complete lack of sexism, there are two extreme points for each sex which dictate exclusive access to certain items based on the sex of the character alone.

Before, both extremes were represented equally and thus a sense of balance was achieved, but now, we're focusing on the female side of the spectrum alone.

Then, why are you responding? You have a different opinion, now why are you trying to make everyone else agree with you? You can't be implying that costumes are not a big deal for this game's playerbase.

But if you can't take part in a conversation without feeling the need to belittle all different opinions, I believe there are other ways to invest your time.

Others didn't find it unprofessional apparently, maybe even agreed with that approach, so it's not important. It was this image with the guy whose name I can't remember holding a newspaper.

Anyway, let me make it more clear why someone could have a problem with this policy. If I'm not mistaken, the player summit is today. Let's say the devs announce that beginning with issue 24, all new content will be mostly hero exclusive, and villains will get no exclusive content and only some co-op. What do you think would happen? Now what do you think would happen if the two alignments were switched? This is what happened here.

That pretty much describes some of the opinions voiced in Dink's thread. I never agreed with those who were saying that it was unfair for females to get these pieces. In fact, what Dink did was pretty awesome. What I have a problem with is Zwilliger's extremely unprofessional response and the announcement that basically something similar will never happen for males and that all future packs will only serve to widen the gap.

So, this is more like this: You get an apple and the girl gets an orange. Both of you would like some of what the other is eating, so whoever it is that gives free fruit to people comes back, gives an apple to the girl and on his way back tells you to go **** yourself. Also, he informs you that from now on, you won't even get a whole apple, but only as much as the girl eats herself.

Why would men choose not to wear the gloves and boots (with a smaller heel) from this pack?

Read your own sig.

Anyway, apparenlty this is not the kind of forum where people can actually voice their opinion and quote an actual announcement made by a redname. Didn't know that and I apologise.

I was forming an opinion based on what Zwillinger announced as the new policy. He said no male exclusive pieces. Apparently it turns out that this does not include faces. So?

My opinion is that everything should be available to anyone. Now, I understand that this is most likely an inefficient use of resources, so I didn't have a propblem with how things were handled until the Gunslinger pack. I respect that people, especially those who didn't like the pieces females were getting, had a problem with this. But because I wished for parts I couldn't get, I can relate to them. What I don't get is that now that guys wish the same, nobody can understand this or at least respect that.

I haven't seen anyone, man or woman, walk around with tights, buttcapes, or sci-fi dresses. This is not real life. Why can't male toons have access to buttcapes, shoulder pets, hairstyles, female exclusive glove options and a lot more that I don't have the time to list? What annoys me more is that people are quick to prove me wrong when I'm asking the same thing other where asking but from the other gender. So, thanks for proving that sexism is planted deep in your heads.

So, ok apparently we get 2 new faces, the Living Ham and Mr. Constipated. Yes, this changes everything..

Except that already happened when extreme sexism became the official company policy. And I'm not planning on funding this stupidity, which in the long run will only mean less and less costume options for me.

I didn't know CoH was taking place in the real world. And if you want to take inspiration from the real world, why look at the 21st century only?

If a Victorian pack is made for example, we should get the proper clothing for that era which was extremely gender specific.

And costume parts are rarely used as intended. Look at the think tank; now count how many used that item for its intended purpose and how many used it to make headless character. When you limiting access to a costume piece, you're also prohibiting a lot more concepts that you can imagine at first; you're limiting players' creativity.

Anyway, this was my personal opinion and I'm not trying to convince anyone. From now on, I won't buy a pack unless there are male specific items or only unisex items. And even then I will probably buy specific items and not the whole bundle, something that I would never do before. Unless they actually start transfering some items from females to males, then I will keep my points for powersets and stuff.

Lame? The new policy takes sexism up to eleven. Zwillinger said no male items ever, so no new faces, new hairstyles, new anything. Only unisex and females exclusives. That's not lame, that's disgusting.

That's not the point, As long as the new policy is in effect, I'm not planning to spend a single point for costume pieces.

I'm not butthurt or anything and I've actually purchased every single pack available in the NCSoft store and Paragon market. I was buying everything as soon as it was released without caring whether I was going to use any of these pieces. I left for personal reasons after the Gunslinger pack was released and recently came back. The first thing I did was log in game and purchase every costume bundle available. I ran out of points and before I could get some more, I read that thread about "sexism" in costume design and that other one about Dink's awesome effort to make pieces from the Magic/Steampuck/Gunslinger packs available to female toons. This was the thread in which the new policy was announce and when I made my choice to stay away from all future packs. So, just for the record, I have everything except the Gunslinger pack.

wut.

How is that worse than how weapons magically disappear now when you use a power outside of the set?

And I'm curious whether this is an actual quote from a red name.

No, you would have a weapon, you just wouldn't have to play a lengthy animation to pull it out.

As for the build optimisation, I would agree if it affected all powersets. So, you can choose to make a Fire manipulator. You select Fire Melee, have access to a rarely resisted damage type and can pick any power you want without hurting your performance (you don't necessarily min-max, you just wanted a healing power for example and picked Aid Self).

Now, I want to make a ninja and pick Duel Blades (for the sai). I get access to the more resisited damage type in the game, and have to account the concept of redraw in my game style. I have to hit a damage power before engaging a mob, so that I already have my weapons out, I can't freely pick powers from the power pools (that all characters have access to and are there to add flavour to our toons) without hurting my toon's performance. But, now my build is "viable"? Even my own secondary can hurt me, so I'll prefer something other than Regeneration, due to the "clickiness" of that set.

I can't see this as anything else other than punishing a character for concept alone.

While I agree that toggles using animations don't make a lot of sense (I don't know why a superpowered being would need to strike a constipated pose to increase their def or whatever), but at least they don't impact game play the way redraw does.

Weapon based sets already inflict heavily resisted damage (smashing/lethal) and combined with redraw, a weapon user is a at a big disadvantage.

This is a strong case of punishing a character for concept alone, and I believe this was supposed to be frowned upon.

Sorry if I misunderstood your post, but you're saying that the game checks your status before the beginning of the normal animation and responds accordingly (begin the animation or play the redraw animation first).

Well, that sounds normal to me, when redraw exists. Fire Sword doesn't check anything because there never was any redraw. Why can't all weapon attacks work the same? Obviously the code needs to be changed. I'm not asking to make all other powers work with weapons out, because I know all animations will have to be reworked for that to happen. I'm asking for weapons to automatically appear at the start of the normal attack animation, in a similar fashion to Fire Sword.

There is also another solution: make new redraw animations. Since we're apparently stuck with redraw, it seems like every new powerset has more and more flashy redraw animations. I find that stupid. Make new superfast animations to replace the old one. If the game engine absolutely expects something there, at least don't put extra long, swirly twirly animations. It doesn't make the character look cool, not when it doubles the animation time of most powers.

And what about Spines? Do they make specific versions of every animation to work with Quills active? Somehow, I find that hard to believe.

I've always liked Kinetics/Transference and tried to work a +end power in most buff/debuff Sets I came up with. When the new Burnout/Concentrated Strike was revealed, everything just clicked: Make a powerset that heals both bars and buffs recharge (maybe even take advantage of the aforementioned mechanic) to help reduce the downtime.

Even though Kinetics comes pretty close (but still has several enemy based attacks), we don't have a set focused on reducing downtime and help where IOs can't. Basically, we have extremely potent debuffing sets, but pure buff sets are not that attractive when the entire team sports expensive IO builds (except Kinetics and its exotic buffs, of course).

I'm really eager to see your take on this.