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Because of the Den I suppose Kat. Now excuse me while I save more of Athyna's posts for her son to see someday.



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Which one? I have 4 sons. The oldest (16) plays CoV, but he doesn't read the forums. My husband hates forums of any kind. My brother-in-law reads the forums at work, but he doesn't post much. His wife doesn't read them at all. My other brother-in-law doesn't read the forums either. Yeah, I've a few family members in-game, but they don't read the forums. Neener neener neener.

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So your brother-in-law sees the stuff you post sometimes?

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Archmage Tarixus..........25-30.........Lore Keeper (not confirmed)......793, 16, 1781 Sharkhead


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I had Lore Keeper the first few times I spoke with him. That didnt unlock him. Was doing a paper mission and earned both the Soul Binder and Weed Wacker a couple of minutes apart. After that Taraxis would talk to me --- though I had outleveled him.

The others seem to be kicked in by one badge so I can only assume that it is just the Soul Binder or the Weed Wacker.

At this point I am assuming that Weed Wacker is for killing Succubi.

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In regards to Archmage Tarixus. Previous to last night..he would not offer me anything nor was he onmy contacts list. Last night I did a mission that involved the CoT and gained the Weed Wacker Badge. Today, upon speaking to Archmage Tarixus, he added himself to my contact list and placed himself on my Sharkhead map. It seems the Weed Wacker Badge is the key to unlocking Archmage Tarixus.

It should be nkown however that I also possess the Lorekeeper Badge. So wether ot not you need both badges to unlock him as a contact I cannot tell. But you most certainly need the Weed Wacker Badge.

P.S. My spelling sux.

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It has change to Lorekeeper, I've gotten him with it and Posi confirmed it.

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Athyna, isn't it supposed to take you appearing seven times in a thread before you drop an innuendo-bomb? I only count three...

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Nope. The average is seven posts after mine is the one that gets a thread locked or deleted.

Hey! Don't look at me like that! Everyone needs a hobby.

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I wonder if anyone's saving all of your posts to send to your son when he's older. I'm sure it would make a hell of a conversation piece.

Timmy: This my mommy's?
Hermod: Yes...ten years ago...
Timmy: Who is JackZodiac? Jell-o shots? Katfood?
Hermod: Don't forget the godly rods...

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Hey, why am I getting dragged into this?

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Because of the Den I suppose Kat. Now excuse me while I save more of Athyna's posts for her son to see someday.

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*patiently waits to see if Manticore will explain himself, in person, soon*

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It would be nice if he would so I could look like less of a fool than I've already made myself discussing this point.

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That's very clever and well thought out. I just have trouble imagining Manticore setting up a Mercenary group. I always assumed that having your parents killed by a hired assassain (Good old Protean) would have some profond effect on your ideas of guns (bows) for hire.

I suppose he could just be human and say, "They work for me. That makes them alright." But it still strikes me as odd.

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*cough* Well, were they killed with a gun or a bow? Makes a lot of difference. I could refer you at least 2 fictional cultural heroic icons that avoid the specific delivery system of the death of their parental figures, but still employ similar methods to gain a sort of "revenge" or "justice" against the "bad guys" depending on the point of view.
And there's one off the top of my head that employs exactly the same method of revenge as his enemies, but is still considered at the very least an anti-hero.

Sorry, just recalling too many years immersed in the paradigm.

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Very true, but I don't know. I mean, Praetorian Manticore, Chimera was raised by Protean and has an army of ninjas working for him. If Praetorians are suppose to be dark oppisites...

But that point is moot.

My point is, it just seems strange for Manticore to found the group. While most of the heroes you could site about the vengence, they don't go out an make a private army who are similiar to the person they want revenge on. But maybe it's just me who thinks like that.

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Hermiod, I greatly respect your views and opinions, however... I feel that no one is perfect, and that you may have disregarded a simple matter of economics in the possibility that Manticore founded Wyvern Mercenary Corps.

Allow me to humbly place mine own self in Manticore's own cowl: (My opinion is that people really think this way, but don't usually acknowledge it.)

"I am rich. Really, really rich. I got that way by being born into a family of rich people. My family stayed rich for a really long time by being really good with money, and they raised me to be really, really good with money.

I am really good at making sharp pointy things fly through the air and hit where I want them to. These sharp pointy things are enhanced by really cool people in long coats that cost a WHOLE LOT of moola to get pro-active and support. Then there's the "Suits" who manage them, and the "Suits" who run the whole shebang, and the "Suits" who are stock-holders, and the "Suits" whose "constituancy" wants jobs, etc, etc, etc. Hmmm. How can I make my sharp pointy things cost less to produce?

Oh, now that would be smart... I'll just push a bunch of people into wanting sharp pointy things that go bang towards wanting the same sorts of sharp pointy things that go bang that I do! Problem solved!"

Ergo, Wyvern=cheap Manticore arrows. He's still not evil, supports a raging market in spiffy arrows, and saves money in the long run allowing him to donate even more money to worthy charitable causes. If only more RL CEOs thought like he did. *Sigh*

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That's very clever and well thought out. I just have trouble imagining Manticore setting up a Mercenary group. I always assumed that having your parents killed by a hired assassain (Good old Protean) would have some profond effect on your ideas of guns (bows) for hire.

I suppose he could just be human and say, "They work for me. That makes them alright." But it still strikes me as odd.

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I believe somewhere they talk about how Miss Lib. named it Longbow for something along the line of them being out on the front lines, or something...

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Usually guys with Longbows stand in the back and provide suppressing fire.

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They were named that for their far reaching influence.

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Wyvvern are way cooler than longbow in any case

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Also way easier


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To bad they are lacking in female department.

/em rimshot

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For a job like that, for a group of heroes, not taking money would be suspicious? We're talking about broadcasting the great danger all Cap au Diable citizens.

Yes, not taking money would be suspicious, because they're not heroes. They are a "private security force".

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Actualy, they're vigalantes or Mercenaries depending on who yu talk to. They are never (that I've seen) discribed as a private security force.

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Yu think Wyvern who is payed by Longbow to do missions is founding Longbow? Or do you think Manticore is. If Manti was, that's no surpise at all.

I think Manticore is funding both organizations.

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While I have no doubt that Manti is footing some of Longbow's bill, I doubt he's gotten much if any money to Wyvern. They're considered the bad boy hero group. Manti, as I've said, is the moral center of the Phalanx. I doubt he'd found such an organization that uses border line illegal methods and in the past has acctualy had conflicts with Longbow.

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Really? If you remember, Wyvern take money for the jobs they do around the Rogue Isle. People like Vines of WSPRD paided Wyvern to defend the generators. It was the right thing to do, it was a very big deal, and they wanted to be paid.

It would have been very suspicious if they did not want to be paid.

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For a job like that, for a group of heroes, not taking money would be suspicious? We're talking about broadcasting the great danger all Cap au Diable citizens.

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Now we know Manticore is rich, really rich. He can afford to have obscenely expensive trick arrows that are one use only. If he was Wyvern's backer, they wouldn't need to charge for their services. They'd do it like Longbow, for the right cause. Manticore can't possibly have anything to do with Wyvern except maybe inspiring their theme.

Manticore is rich, not stupid. He might be able to provide all the funding needed for Wyvern but then it would be even more obvious than it already is that they're little more than Longbow's black-bag arm. If they're supposed to be a "private security force" then they'd better have clients and they'd better charge for their services.

Who do you think is funding Longbow in the first place? Why is the military arm of the Freedom Corps (itself a subsidiary of the Freedom Phalanx) named Longbow?

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Yu think Wyvern who is payed by Longbow to do missions is founding Longbow? Or do you think Manticore is. If Manti was, that's no surpise at all.

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Manticore can't possibly have anything to do with Wyvern except maybe inspiring their theme.

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I don't know, he could have dropped them a little cash, under the table to avoid the IRS or something. Soft money donations and such, so he could only give them a little at at a time.

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Ture, but from one of the Radio's missions we know Longbow has no problem paying them. And Manticore most likely foots some of Longbows bills, so I don't see why he couldn't just pass the money through Longbow.

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I dont see why he couldn't pass the money on through but it seems like he is the backer of this organization. I mean despite the fact they are very Mercanary and by all apearances get paid oodles of cash for their services they still would have needed a initial footing of cash as well as some extra cash handy for the snazzy equipment they use. You dont just throw together afew thousand dollar, some mercs and a archery set or two and get what they are. They would have needed relitively large sums of money to purchase enough arrows/equipment/hideouts as well as train the troops.

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Hero Corp was founded by Heroes looking to get paid, right. Wyvern is full of normal humans using gadgetry to get the job done. I don't see the problem with them having humble begins as Manticore's drinking buddies or something who decided to become mercenaries and slowly grew until they could afford the stuff Manticore has.

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The best reason I can come up with about Manticore not just paradeing around with a "I <3 teh Wyvren!" shirt is becaues they are supposed to be a slightly illeagal group of vigallantes and it certainly would not fly over well for the great heros and protectors of Paragon to be linked to thugs who preform un-sanctioned military acts in a forign country. I think it says somewere the reason longbow often hires them is becaues they are preforming acts longbow really isnt supposed to be caught doing.

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You're correct, that's why Longbow hires them out.

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Now we know Manticore is rich, really rich.

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So is Paris Hilton yet she still "works" for a living. He's a businessman. While it makes sense for him to support charitable hero organizations, it also makes sense for him to create another force for good that helps keep him rich, or at least can somewhat support itself.

Also, not every skilled archer is a heroic person. Likely Manti saw this and provided them an outlet to perform good deeds, even if it meant they needed a pay check to guaruntee it.

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If Manticore was getting money from Wyvern that would not only look suspicious, but very bad. So obviously he's not going to do something like that. And Manticore is sorta like the moral center of the group. Sure he'll shoot Statesman with and arrow occasionaly to save mankind, but not without thinking about a way to save him afterwards. He doesn't pick up checks for Heroing and I doubt he'd back a group who would do that. Nor would he encorage it, theirs already one Hero Corps in the world, that's enough for now.

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Manticore can't possibly have anything to do with Wyvern except maybe inspiring their theme.

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I don't know, he could have dropped them a little cash, under the table to avoid the IRS or something. Soft money donations and such, so he could only give them a little at at a time.

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Ture, but from one of the Radio's missions we know Longbow has no problem paying them. And Manticore most likely foots some of Longbows bills, so I don't see why he couldn't just pass the money through Longbow.

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I don't know how the City of IRS tracks donations. If they become suspicious of large sums, or if hero organizations are exempt. I'd imagine they may have something similar to a 501(c)3 standing, since they are non-profit. Since Longbow has a high-profile founder they may be an exempt organization but Wyvern, I don't remember anything about their founder. They may be consider more of a vigilante group instead of an officially recognized hero organization. Heck, maybe they're just an SG of Manti-groupies.

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When I think about it, it would seem a man like Justin (or whatever Manticore's real name is) giving a large sum of money to Longbow not particularly out of character or strange in anyway. He's probably one of Freedom Corps. biggest contributers. So when they decided to go to war with Recluse and he steps up his spending to back his own private army, Wyvern, it's not that strange at all. Especialy with Longbow making things like the Chaser. And we know Longbow doesn't given Wyvern money in public, but in secret. Seems like he could get the money there if he really wanted to.

That's why I think they're Manticore Groupies.

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Manticore can't possibly have anything to do with Wyvern except maybe inspiring their theme.

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I don't know, he could have dropped them a little cash, under the table to avoid the IRS or something. Soft money donations and such, so he could only give them a little at at a time.

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Ture, but from one of the Radio's missions we know Longbow has no problem paying them. And Manticore most likely foots some of Longbows bills, so I don't see why he couldn't just pass the money through Longbow.

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Not only is it clear that Manticore is behind Wyvern, it's pretty obvious he's got a lot to do with Longbow, too. (Speculation regarding his involvement with Ms. Liberty is left as an exercise for the reader....)

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Really? If you remember, Wyvern take money for the jobs they do around the Rogue Isle. People like Vines of WSPRD paided Wyvern to defend the generators. It was the right thing to do, it was a very big deal, and they wanted to be paid.

Now we know Manticore is rich, really rich. He can afford to have obscenely expensive trick arrows that are one use only. If he was Wyvern's backer, they wouldn't need to charge for their services. They'd do it like Longbow, for the right cause. Manticore can't possibly have anything to do with Wyvern except maybe inspiring their theme.

Founded? Maybe. Inspired, I wouldn't doubt it.

I remember durring the Beta event Manticore saying something like, "I brought Wyvern with me instead of Longbow." But the thing is, Wyvern are pretty much Mercenary. If they had someone like Manticore backing them, they'd have money to burn unless he's afraid of providing them with money directly.

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Wierd ... I'm level 35 too.

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Sounds like a bug to me, though I've heard some have done him.

Join us at the Grigori, we just started, at the moment were only nine storng and you'd be more than welcome. We're on the Justice server. Anyone is welcome.

The story of the Grigori is that they're a group of villains who believe in their heart of hearts that they're doing the right thing. Their goal is noble, theirmethods are often illegal though. As such they willing reconize themselves as Villains. This is where their name comes from, the Grigori were an order of angels in the bible, enternal watchers of mankind. But eventualy they fell in love with humans and took "the bride of man" and became fallen. In a way the Grigori believe that applies to them, their concern for society has driven them to become fallen.

The Grigori is lead by five founders, each of whom have eqaul control and say. This system came into being to keep some order in a group as each Founder has varying goals they each want to pursue. The five founders are,

Author, considered to be the Grigori's spy master by many, this master of conspiracy brings information and numerous contacts to the table. A kind man by nature, he doesn't seem cut out for villainy, but has surpised many. Most of his personal operitives are intensely loyal for one reason or another and tries his best to earn some trust with every member. He also has small personal grude against C E O.

C E O is the finacial backer of the Grigori. He also brings his wide knowledge of science and some expertise in magic. Chris Edward Olsen is the son of the Banished Pantheon God the Hungerer who he has constantly tried to keep his distance from that issue. He has earned Author's anger even though he has so far kept himself out of the grude.

Scorn, Hell hath no fury like her. Scorn is a demoness who will do anything to protect her human sister, Lily, including the complete destruction of the Oranbegans. She is the Grigori's mystic expert.

Dr. Phillis is the tech expert of the Grigori who brings his extensive knowledge of robotics to the table. His intellengce and skill has made him a valuable asset to the group.

Marco Ramirez is a Vampire looking to forge a place for his kind in the world the Grigori intend to create. He trades in weapons and if the Grigori needs it, he can get it.

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I have the Thorn Robber badge from the 1st respec, but he wont speak with me. Do I need to do the 2nd respec?

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Weird, he'll talked to me after the first respec trail, but said I need to to be 35 to do missions.

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Well after 4 BORING days of killing family--- the Slot machine will not speak to me. Yet more outleveled content

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Family bosses do not unlock the slot machine.

Marcone capos and consiglieres will grant you the gangbuster badge, which unlocks the machine.

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Are you sure Consigileres count?

Oh, and just to make sure everyone knows, Thorn Robber will unlock Abiter Leary. He's a level 35-40 contact.

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Where is Arbiter Leary located?

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He's at 1741.7 157.7 3157.1 in Nerva

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I'm not certain exactly how Longbow, the Legacy Chain, and Wyvern managed to gain a foothold in Nerva. I was sort of hoping to find that out myself. However, I do want to say that I'm pretty sure the Might for Right act was overturned, so someone with super powers doesn't HAVE to register as a hero. In fact, that's one goal of the Malta: To bring the Might for Right act back. By the way, you arrest the Outcasts because they're part of a known criminal gang, not because they're unregistered mutants.

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Forgot about that, yes, it seems that not all heroes need to regeister. Basicly, if you don't use your powers for crime, you're fine, no one will touch you. The Outcast are a gang, and since we, as Heroes, don't need a warant or even probably cause, we can thrash them. Because we know they're up to no good. The city does as well. Especialy in the Hollows which is pretty much a war zone.

Though the FBSA appears to be a way to bring some accuntablity to vigilanties. If I understand it correctly, they head out and investagate questionable Heroes. They probably maintain a most wanted list for Villains.

First, the Right for Might act was a law passed that allowed the Goverment to force super powered indviduals to fight for them durring the Cold War. This act was later found unconstitutional and was repealed. The law that lets heroes beat up Villains is the Civilian Crime Fighting Act which legalized and systemized vigilanteism.

On to the more important bit.

Longbow and Legacy Chain have no offical ties to the US goverment. Ms. Liberty took the already existing group of heroes called Freedom Corp, created by her mother, and founded a more active branch called Longbow. Created solely to fight Recluse, Arachnos, and hunt down villains escaping to the Rogue Isle. This is legal for them as they aren't a govermental force, but a civilian force. Though there is no doubt some complications. And since the US has a law allowing this as do most nations, they can get away with it. Ms. Liberty is taking advantage of the Civilian Crime Fighting act.

Now the Legacy Chain is different. As far as I can tell, they're actually natives to the Rogue Isle or atleast people who have moved there. As such they are officaly outlaws by Recluse's law.

Now we come to Recluse, he is reconized as the sole ruler of the Rogue Isle with UN protection and everything. Only that protects him from the US goverment from invading him without reason. But Heroes don't always follow these laws, most are looking to do what they know is right. Especialy when he invaded their city. While we don't know the US goverment's esponse, and possibly it hasn't decided what to do yet, Heroes took the initative and took over half of Nerva.

Alright, it's alittle wierd how it works. But look at it like this, Heroes and Villains are fighting a war. They aren't looking to politics much, they're looking to stop the other. One through any means nessacary and the other wants to do it by the book, granted, somewhat abridged.

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Well after 4 BORING days of killing family--- the Slot machine will not speak to me. Yet more outleveled content

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Family bosses do not unlock the slot machine.

Marcone capos and consiglieres will grant you the gangbuster badge, which unlocks the machine.

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Are you sure Consigileres count?

Oh, and just to make sure everyone knows, Thorn Robber will unlock Abiter Leary. He's a level 35-40 contact.

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Tarixus is confirmed for Lorekeeper. I just finished all his missions on test looking for any further bugs (only one is souviner is borked)

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Cool. They must have patched like Positron had mentioned.

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Right, I thought it had already gone live, my mistake. Point is though, that he's now unlockable with lorekeeper. Sorry for the confusion.

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How does one obtain Lorekeeper? I know its History plaques, but which ones? Anyone have coordinates/zones?

Thanks.

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I posted a link on like page three. That Link will tell you where to go.

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You have to defeat ghosts with them standing on top of the ghost traps in the fort.

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And then use your free teleport to the Hospital to deal with the 3 level 15 elite bosses that spawn when you blow up the trap.

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Only one Elite Boss spawns. Unfortunately he's accompanied by three Bosses and about five LTs. The lesson here is, don't over load the traps. You can tell when one is about to overload as the grapics rushing away from the trap will speed up.