Guitardrumr

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  1. Guitardrumr

    Costume question

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    Originally Posted by Decorum View Post
    Not really. You have to stretch. We certainly don't do it with any directness. Jay doesn't even work directly for the people we pay, there's a whole 'nuther sub-company in the way. Hell, I don't consider us paying McDonald's employees salaries, and that's far more direct.



    Businesses without customers aren't businesses, they're failures. Really, it's a silly extension of American entitlement. "I utilized your product, so I'm paying your salaries." It doesn't work that way.



    Which is a good thing he didn't. You're taking someone's second- or third-hand off-hand mention as a quote. BUT, even if he did, this is obviously what NCSoft/Paragon WANTS him to do. If he does it, and he doesn't get fired or reprimanded, then it's WAI. Companies make policy, not customers. Companies do listen to customers, but not blindly and with a whole lot more information than customers have.



    Right. I prefer someone in that area who's a bit anal and kind of a fussbudget.
    Well, we'll have to agree to disagree on the whole customer paying the salary thing. You being a stubborn West sider and all, I won't be able to make you agree with me anyway.

    As far as the robes go, if it won't work right and cause clipping issues, then by all means, say no. Quite enough of that with capes/hats/hoods/belts, no need to add more. I would dearly love to see it though (long time Fantasy fan, would love to build a Raisltin-esque toon).
  2. Guitardrumr

    Costume question

    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Decorum View Post
    No. Paragon Studios pays his salary. We pay NCSoft to play the game. Those are different things. People who use a business don't "pay the employees salaries" no matter how entitled they feel. I always hated the concept people have that patronizing a business somehow puts them in charge.

    I doubt Jay hates the look in general (or rather, if he does, it's irrelevant), but the way it looks when he has to implement it under the current system. He's not saying "I hate that look.", he's saying "I can't get that look to look good under the restrictions we have here."
    I don't mean to come off as feeling entitled, but in this instance, yeah, we kinda do pay his salary. With no players, there is no NCsoft, and Paragon Studios is left up a certain metaphorical creek with no paddle and a leaky canoe. I'm not saying we should be able to boss him around, but for someone to say "No, I don't like that so I won't do it', when he's got the people who pay to play the game asking for it, qualifies as stupid.

    That said, if it is just a matter of not being able to work out the animations without massive clipping issues, that's perfectly fine. I have no issue with that. God knows there's enough of that already, no need to try and add something that won't work anyway.

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    Originally Posted by Aggelakis View Post
    He's the main costume guy. His word is final. If he says it doesn't look good enough for release, unless he gets outvoted by someone higher up than him, we don't get it. He doesn't want to release something that looks half-*****. I, for one, agree with him. I don't want costume pieces that look like "well, this is what we can do now, who cares, throw it in". I want costume pieces that look like, "I would wear this in real life!"
    As said above, I agree that if it's for actual reasons/limitations with the game, then that sucks, but oh well. I, too, would truly love to create a proper arcane magi character, but at the same time, I want him to look the part, and not have massive clipping issues.
  3. Guitardrumr

    Costume question

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    Originally Posted by Aggelakis View Post
    Sexy Jay (the main costume guy) has said that he won't release something that he doesn't think looks good, and he hates the way full length robes/skirts look. So until something miraculous happens, we're stuck.
    That seems pretty stupid, really. Are we not the people paying his salary?