In duels they are near impossible to kill if they know what they are doing. Pain will inevitably draw with any good tank or regen scrap because they just don't do the seconardy buffin or debuffin necessary to make the pets do enough dmg. And pain can be killed (
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U1pBfzkl6qw) but you gotta have the skill to stay alive long enough to do it. The best MM I have ever seen is bot/storm (
http://www.youtube.com/summersfield2009). This chick killed everything from tanks to scraps to other MMs. But I think for pvp any good MM needs a secondary that does more than keep pets alive if they wanna fight. I laugh when I see one in zone pvp though cause less they are FF they tend to get swarmed. Or do what I do, just tp them outta their mob of pets. BG ain't much help then
