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Quote:Only the evil anarchist Crusaders - the normal people in the Resistance don'tOriginally Posted by DMystic
And by your own reasoning every member of the resistance is an anarchist amd an arsonist and they only care about blowing stuff up or killing people that have done nothing to them.
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Quote:Well, I19 should change thatOriginally Posted by Eisenzahn
Corrected. The shades of grey on either side of the Resistance/Loyalist divide tend sharply towards black, splattered in red. Such a shame that the first really substantial batch of Villain content since Issue 7 is unavailable to actual redside characters.
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Quote:Positron saying they'r sitll canon is anothe rproblem with the whole "shades of gray" thing - like I can totally see where he's coming from, with not wanting to remove anything form the game canon or from the career history of players who've rescued Statesman and defeated Tyrant in the past - but the Praetoria 1.0 content busts the twirlometer on just about every mission.Originally Posted by AzureSkyCiel
*Nods* Okay, true.
I think it's a bit natural to side with the Resistance for Vet players purely because we've already dealt with Tyrant and so forth in the past.
Trying to make some of us see them as ANY level of good is next to impossible. Even more so for people who followed the comic book, and again, the Devs did say the old Praet arcs are still canon. -
Quote:Praetorian propaganda only works on the weak-mindedOriginally Posted by GuyPerfect
We in Praetoria seek only to further the betterment of the public, my dear. Do you know why we have such things as prisons and rehabilitation facilities? It is because the public will eventually turn on itself given the chance. When a man decides that his personal needs or desires outweigh those of his neighbors, he is heading down a dangerous path of mistakes and misguided effort.
Mother and her Seers constantly keep watch to ensure our safety should one such self-seeking individual wish to cause us harm. They are not restrictive or brainwashing; rather, theirs is a responsibility to ensure the well-being of all of Praetoria.
Our great Emperor Cole is no murderer or propagandist. His just acts in the past have served only to strike down those who would cause us destruction; the Hamidon and its abominations among them. In that same way, he is preparing to retaliate against the unprovoked attacks from Primal Earth, and he will not cease until the threat is put to rest.
All hail Emperor Cole!
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No - I gave you the answer
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Quote:Love and compassion don't change.Originally Posted by DMystic
Circumstances determine how a person will act in a situation.
You've seen the world brought to the brink of destruction from our own nuclear weapons, you've seen the Hamidon destroy cities. Now you live in Praetoria. Now define what's normal for those circumstances. -
Quote:When he never heard from her again, he must have suspected something was wrong - like no phonecall on his birthday or visit at Christmas.Originally Posted by RottenLuck
Give me proof he knew about what was really happening to the Seers before he turned over his daughter. It's possible all he knew at the time was she needed training and Mother Mayhem is the expert on such training.
Although, being a PPD Interrogator, he might have been too busy torturing people to notice so many years had passed since he'd last seen or heard from her - it can be tough being a good man. -
Quote:Human beings are still human beings, no matter what dimension they're inOriginally Posted by DMystic
define normal from the perspective of a Praetorian.
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A normal person would never have done that to their daughter in the first place.
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Quote:Calvin Scott isn't the best person to decide what is and isn't out of lineOriginally Posted by Quinz
Yes? And if she told you, but you were still going to be a loyalist she would have done just as Washington says. She would have lied and looked to White to get he rout of a bad situation. She is an idiot, she is a sociopath that says she is a part of the Wardens as a shield for if you are part of the resistance. Any loyalist would not take her, she would be just as bad as the rest of them, worse, even for specifically trying to get YOU killed. And even Scott says that what she did was out of line and if you were a part of the Resistance, then you could either keep her as an inside woman to try and do the same she tried to do to you, disobeying Scott, or do what Scott tells you as duty mixed in vengeance of what she did.
Not an ally - if she thinks you'e a genuine loyalist, then that means you'll be a danger to her and other normal people - removing you once you've served your purpose is the sensible option.Quote:Cleo was wrong, flat out, in how she handled the situation and if you can defend her just because she has the 'Resistance' brand to her, then you are blind to the situation and how people really think, rather than metagaming the knowledge and going 'she's with the 'good guys' so what if she tried to have my character murdered after she 'finished' with me, it was CLEARLY the RIGHt thing to DO to MURDER someone that HELPPED the whole time. Who could potentially be a very strong ALLY. -
Quote:And what are they protesting about?Originally Posted by Steampunkette
There's a pile of Protesters at the Magisterium who aren't dead... And they'll be there tomorrow, and the day after, and the day after. Hmm. Maybe you're wrong?
The Executive office can also be voted out a regular intervalsQuote:The Executive office can Veto any Legislation that makes it through both Congress and the House of Representatives. Your argument is invalid.
There are protesters in IC and neutropolis tooQuote:Pics or it didn't happen! Show me the Protestors in Nova being shot by the PPD. Screenshots work fine.
Similar to the Cleo situation, it's quite possible that announcing that you were a Resistance supporter mightn't be the smartest move - especially if you were running for officeQuote:That's really... Yeah. Wow. Luke Larson is a Resistance Sympathizer, he's also an elected official. who says, and I quote...
He's trying to manipulate the public into sympathizing with the Resistance by distancing himself from the Destroyers and Crusaders. This indicates that the election -isn't- brain-controlled through drugs and mind-control. Especially since he's not the ONLY Member of the Magisterium who is a Resistance Sympathizer, all of whom were elected even though they do so.
Much better to pass yourself off as an obedient little loyalist, and then once you got elected, start working in secret to mess up the system
There are penty of protester spawns being fired on by PPD thugs - you just need to keep your eyes openQuote:I've never once seen the PPD open fire on anyone who wasn't Syndicate, Resistance, or a Destroyer. Well that's not true, sometimes they attack the malfunctioning clockwork or members of Powers Division who screw up their arrests or attack other officers...
Badges are in-game evidence - but if they're too muhyc for you, like all the best stromtroopers, when confronted with the truth, your best option is to set /e paretoriansalute as a keybind with the text message "All Hail Emperor Cole!", and just keep pressing it repeadedly - it won't make the truth go away, but it might make you feel betterQuote:As for the Disappearing; In-game evidence or just stop it. We know the backstory about seditionists and superbeings who weren't loyal "Visiting other cities". I know about the badges under Praetoria and... frankly i don't care.
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Quote:I have no interest in ruling the world - or taking over other worlds - or mass murder, slavery, torture, brainwashing, propaganda and repressionOriginally Posted by Slaunyeh
*gasp* This just in: Golden Girl is Tyrant!
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Quote:For the common good, citizenOriginally Posted by Venture
So says a man who thinks he alone should be allowed to make decisions.
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Quote:When you're fighting an evil dictatorship, you don't just tell one of the stormtroopers of the dictatorship that you're actually working against the dictatorshipOriginally Posted by Quinz
If she wanted to do things the right way, she would have talked to you, explained the situation and let you decide 'Hey these resistance arn't so bad, maybe they do want to help?'
Don't forget that to her, you're just another loyalist to be manipulated to help the Resistance, and then gotten rid of - and as far as you know, she's also just another loyalist contact who is genuinely working for the dictatorship - if you're working for the Resistance, then you're no more likely to tell her that than you are to tell Marauder, or any other loyalist.
Neither you - or her - are going to say "by the way, I'm secretly working for the Resistance, and I kinda hope you are too, or this is going to get a bit awkward"
It's a great arc for showing how difficult it is in Praetoria - it's hard to find out who knows what, and who's helping who, and what the real motivations of people are. -
Quote:Freedom to support Tyrant, or be imprisoned, tortured and murdered if you don't.Originally Posted by Steampunkette
So there are Freedoms in Praetoria.
Who have no power to stop Tyrant doing what he wantsQuote:Freedom to choose your representatives
And get fired on by the PPD thugsQuote:freedom to meet peaceably and share your ideas and beliefs
When you're srugging the people, altering hsitory, controlling the media and education system and reading their thoughts, there's not really any need to force a result in any "election"Quote:There's no evidence that the elections are rigged
They're routinely fired on by Tyrants stormtroopers, and people "disappear" for way less tooQuote:that the Peaceful Protestors are routinely murdered.
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Quote:People who support fake Star Wars are too weak with the Force to actually have any powersOriginally Posted by EvilGeko
I find your lack of faith disturbing...
*Holds hand up and stares at GG real hard expecting something to happen.*
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Quote:That was what I meantOriginally Posted by Forbin_Project
That other hero game already has a cowboy themed ghost town to go along with the robotic Wild West amusement park.
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I think they're too evenly matched - like they both regen too fast and hit too weakly to do each other any serious damage.
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Quote:Maybe make it a ghost town?Originally Posted by Memphis_Bill
Yeah, the big question is "How to fit it into the rest of the world."
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Quote:Fake Star Wars doesn't countOriginally Posted by EvilGeko
Palpatine would have stopped the Yuuzhan Vong in their tracks!
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Quote:You're one of those "I wish the Empire had defeated the Rebel Alliance" types, aren't you?Originally Posted by Progressman
I so wish my toon could be one. That would be awesome!
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Quote:Well, Tyrant does deal in absolutesOriginally Posted by SpittingTrashcan
If you can't beat the rap, own it. Well done, sir!
My Responsibility Loyalist (who went Loyalist at every decision point, including the Warden arcs she ran undercover) was very disappointed with her interview with Cole, for what it's worth. To be called a traitor, after sacrificing personal friendships and emotional attachments for the greater good? Too cruel, sir. Too cruel.
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Quote:Here are some more for youOriginally Posted by Progressman
You mean where the police execute prisoners underground? What do you expect them to do? Execute them ABOVE ground in front of everyone?
The "Secret Prisoner" badge text:
"You have found one of the most forbidden of places in Paretoria: the secret interrogation chamber beneath the PPD Precinct where the officers take the most recalcitrant prisoners for enhanced interrogations."
Plus, a few more badges with details of Tyrant's wacky antics:
Dissappeared:
" This is where enemies of the State vanish forever. These lost souls have been brought here from the PPD Headquarters for summary execution without review or recourse."
Seer:
"Blind yet seeing and casting judgment yet mindless of the crime; the Seer is the instrument of control and the constant threat of the Emperor's displeasure."
Condemning:
"It is no small thing to make the long perilous journey to the levels beneath the Behavioral Adjustment Facility. The route is filled with hostile PPD trained to shoot first and never ask questions. You have entered a realm that is the last many will see: Do you seek to free the condemned from their fate, or facilitate their demise?"
Silent Witness:
"You have seen much injustice and brutality in your journeys through Praetoria, and here beneath Precinct 4 in Imperial City you are witness to a chamber dedicated to both. Will you remain silent forever?"
Nailbiter:
"This PPD interrogation and holding area is littered with the signs of harsh treatment. Dried bodily fluids, ripped off fingernails, and a few human teeth mark this area as a place you don't want to wind up in."
Mercy Missionary:
"You have visited the Behavioral Adjustment Facility to extend a helping hand to the lost souls housed within. It took great courage to enter this forbidden area, braving the sonic fence and the hordes of belligerent guards on your mission of mercy."
Broken Mind:
"Deep beneath the Mother of Mercy Hospital, the moans of misbegotten Seers echo through these forgotten corridors. Their sorrow seeps into the minds of those who hear them, disrupting thought and disturbing the emotions. Tarry too long and your mind shall be broken as theirs."
And the text of the "Knows the Truth" badge, which is a nice little summary of the "utopia" you're in:
"From the depths of the Underground to the top of the Magisterium, Praetoria is built on lies. After 50 badges, you've learned this truth." -
Quote:Then you're the perfect stormtrooper for TyrantOriginally Posted by Progressman
I've read the Resistance arcs sure. My mind still hasn't changed.
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Quote:You might like him, but then that mean you're not a heroOriginally Posted by Progressman
Guess I'm a Hero who actually likes the Emperor then.