Golden Girl

Originally Posted by Gemini_2099

Good thing no one will play the lower level trials.

Originally Posted by Samuel_Tow

That's more or less what I wanted to see as end game: Play the rest of the game, then make more like that.

Originally Posted by Arilou

To be fair, I don't think anyone has actually argued against a solo-option, just against making it too easy.

Originally Posted by Winterminal

but those illustrate why a solo option should be present.

Originally Posted by Memphis_Bill

Why does "End game content" have to mean raid? Why are our devs insisting on remaining in *that* box?

Originally Posted by Kurrent

Just like the Banners in the Halloween Event.

I miss doing them. They were fun and required coordination among teams, and they carried a real possibility of failure, but they had commensurate badge rewards to compensate. I hope more people are interested in doing them again when October rolls around.

Originally Posted by EnigmaBlack

If both solo and trial paths yield the same rewards and you're afraid players would choose not to run trials, then maybe there is something that needs to be addressed with the trials?

Originally Posted by Johnny_Butane

If the people want 'quicker and easier' like the AE, who are the devs to object?

Originally Posted by Memphis_Bill

And /signed to the comment that "If you think an alternate path is going to make your trials shrivel up and die, maybe you should look at what's wrong with them."

Originally Posted by ShadowWings

No random joe schmoe from Paragon is going to be able to tango with Chimera, Mayhem, Dominatrix, etc. You may last long enough, but you wouldn't be able to avoid defeat.

Originally Posted by rsclark

So, you actually planned incarnate content without giving a thought to the solo path.

That's really sad and doesn't make you look good.

Originally Posted by OneFrigidWitch

In short, this is no good. There is no point in grouping when you can max out one or more types of defense via IOs and speed through solo content to get whatever you want. This is just no good. No matter how much you think giving the solo player equal reward, it will never happen. If you have 5 people, 3 of which solo because they are IOd out to the gills, and 2 of which try to group as much as possible, guess who is more likely to quit. Hint, its not the solo'rs. And the loss of those groupers will be felt. The game was always meant to encourage grouping, not trivializing it. Unfortunately, thats exactly what happened.

Originally Posted by Liquid

Thanks for telling us this, and thanks for both the Sig Stories and working on the "solo path" to Incarnate (I hope it is a "solo and small team path", though, as I'm not much of a soloer, I just don't enjoy huge teams)!

I don't expect the solo path to be at the same rate. However, I'm one of those people that likes the trials for what they are (though I have specific gripes about each one), but I don't enjoy or understand the team size required to run them. I don't understand the decision to design the entire end-game around what you are admitting is a small minority of players. If so few people like raid-style content that they can't sustain it, why was it made that way?

Originally Posted by SlickRiptide

I'm not sure that it matters, though. If Freedom is hugely successful, then it will be partly because we're getting an influx of players from other games where constant end-game raiding is the standard way of doing things. They'll not only be fine with it - they'll expect it as the accepted way of doing things.

Originally Posted by Johnny_Butane

If Trials would shrivel up because players were given an alternate yet equal way of getting the rewards they offer, maybe that's an indication that the majority of people don't like Trials.

Originally Posted by Positron

Also note: Solo Path does not equal "at the same rate as those who do Trials". Those players will ALWAYS advance through the system faster. Otherwise the Trails will shrivel up and die, and those people who (gasp) like them will never get a chance to run them.

Originally Posted by SlickRiptide

On a random positive note, I really like that Numina poster.

Originally Posted by Oedipus_Tex

IDestiny is outrageously overpowered

Originally Posted by Mekkanos

I wonder if the skull is supposed to be important because it will be the skull of the member of the Surviving Eight, sent back in time somehow to bring up the question of whose skull it is.

Originally Posted by Aura_Familia

First off it's ONE ASTRAL (4 threads), not 4 astrals. (correcting the poster you quoted). And yes very much so pathethic.

Especially when you can get 40 threads from the WST. Which depending on the tf of the week may or may not be easier than these signature storyarcs. Which is on top of current incarnate rewards.

Some of those WST will probably faster (with folks having perfected speed runs for nearly every tf in game) than running these signature story arcs.

In addition there is a 4x Reward Merits reward.

So again, yes very much so pathethic.

Originally Posted by rsclark

The development team were caught off guard by the demand for an incarnate solo path

Originally Posted by Johnny_Butane

Even if it isn't, 4 Astrals per week is still pretty pathetic and insulting.

Originally Posted by Doughboy

They did say he's the creation of a mad scientist. Players will have to go into the mansion, fight their way to the underground lab, then fight through tunnels to get to a cemetery where the big bad guy will be.

Originally Posted by TheProtector

My only issue is this, is that people are deferring to the easiest and fastest trial just to accomplish their goals. Even if they make the trials harder to accommodate characters getting stronger, people will still just run the easiest missions for grinding purposes.