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  1. Quote:
    Originally Posted by SnowJackal View Post
    That explains my cluelessness. I haven't talked to Prometheus much, at all. I am going to go educate myself a bit! Thanks everyone!
    That's another of the great things about the Incarnate system - after each new Trial is added to the game, players who complete it get extra text options when talking to Prometheus, and he gives us more info on the Well and the current situation in the multiverse.
    Like after the first 2 Trials came out, if we mentioned the Comign Styrom to Prometheus, he just told us to focus on Tyrant and the loyalists threat - then after I20.5 and the Keyes' Reactor Trial, he told us more about the Well, and that it needed a champion or champions to protect it against the Coming Storm - and that if Tyrant was it's champion, then all of humanity would be lost before the Coming Storm even arrived - and now in I21 with the Underground Trial, he actually names the Coming Storm as the Battalion, but still says we need to defeat the loyalist meance first - once the multiverse is safe form Tyrant and the loyalists, and we're the champions of the Well, we'll be ready to face the Battalion.

    And as the devs have said they're working on another 2 Incarnate Trials, I think we can expect more revelations from Prometheus as the Praetorian part of the Incanrate storyline reaches its climax.
  2. Quote:
    Originally Posted by FloatingFatMan View Post
    I just hope the devs retcon something about those guys.. Considering they apparently enslave all the Kheldians to use as power sources...
    That happened in the far future - according to the Mysterious Letter Writer, Twilight's Son betrayed the rest of his race to the Battalion, and then fled to our time to escape them before they could come for him too.
  3. Quote:
    Originally Posted by SnowJackal View Post
    Okay I admit I'm not as lore savvy as I should be but... huh?
    They're an alien force that apparently use Kheldians as fuel for their starships - they've been floating around im the lroe for a while now, and were once planned to be an enemy group that would be so powerful players would need the invention system to fight them, and they wouldn't be able to solo them - that basic idea seems to still be around, and the Battalion are being lined up as a threat even more dangerous than Tyrant and the loyalists - so it looks like we'll need the Incarnate powers to be able to fight them, rather than the invention system.
  4. Quote:
    Originally Posted by Goliath Bird Eater View Post
    Unless the devs come right out and say otherwise in no uncertain terms with no way of being misunderstood,
    You mean like they've done with saying he's a villain?
  5. Quote:
    Originally Posted by SnowJackal View Post
    Is this connected to the "Coming Storm" the Menders prophesize about?
    If so... does that mean the meteors and Shivans we see around in the newb-starter in the new tutorial .... Devouring Earth? O.o
    Are the meteors we see seed-spawnlings?

    Or are the Shivans simply using this invasion as their own window of oppurtunity? Huh...
    The Coming Storm is the Battalion
  6. Quote:
    Originally Posted by TempestMaster View Post
    I like the idea that Cole is a good man who has made hard choices, and even that he is tortured (to some extent) about them.
    I sure that must comfort his hundreds of thousands of victims that died for "the greater good".
  7. Quote:
    Originally Posted by FloatingFatMan View Post
    Terrible, useless, 2 dimensional ones, maybe. Kinda like the ones in Hollywood movies.
    Exactly - the memorable ones
  8. Quote:
    Originally Posted by Silver Gale View Post
    Bad guys are bad guys, and you know they're bad guys because they're on the side that is WRONG.
    That's generally the way it works with villains
  9. Quote:
    Originally Posted by Death Incarnate View Post
    *Dominion under Bert?*
    Did he murder Ernie at the Well of the Furies?
  10. Quote:
    Originally Posted by InfamousBrad View Post
    TWO new clones? What does His Eminence need with TWO copies of Colonel Duray?
    Maybe Domiatrix wanted one to spice up their family life?
  11. Quote:
    Originally Posted by Eva Destruction View Post
    "we're trying to defend a world that hates and fears us because they're stupid enough to believe anything a villain with good publicity tells them and have the memory of a goldfish"
    The Praetorian people are being drugged to be passive and accepting
  12. Quote:
    Originally Posted by Buxley1 View Post
    Holy crap! Did not see that coming.
    In the 1-20 GR content, players can run itno Maelstrom who's on a personal misison from Tyrant himself to plant beacons to summon the Devouring Earth to kill the magistrates who sympathize with the Resistance, removing them and giving Tyrant the chance to swoop in and save the day again from the Devouring Earth - and he's been pulling that trick since the Hamidon Wars
  13. Quote:
    Originally Posted by PKDauntless View Post
    As for Cole not being such a villain, keep in mind that this is the guy who, as far as we know, killed his best friend then had the unmitigated gall to marry said friend's sister. That's villainy on a Shakespearean level.
    He's also set up an empire built on and propped up by mass-murder, torture, brain-washing and slavery, and is currently trying to conquer the entire multiverse - so the moral verdict on him still has to be "quite naughty".
  14. Quote:
    Originally Posted by Lazarillo View Post
    Man, why must Tyrant be such a badass?
    Perhaps the author of that piece could give you an answer:

    Quote:
    "Tyrant needed to be someone that people could empathize with, despite the fact that he was a villain. We made Tyrant into a version of Statesman who believed a little less in the inherent good in people, and a little more in his own. This minute change was all it took for Primal Earth's greatest hero to become Praetoria Earth's greatest villain."
  15. Quote:
    Originally Posted by Xaphan View Post
    It wouldn't even be a huge shock if he saw the error of his ways.
    And sacrifices himself in battle with the Hamidon
  16. Quote:
    Originally Posted by Nericus View Post
    As I read this I began thinking that Cole and Grand Admiral Thrawn have a bit in common.
    I was thinking more of real Star Wars rather than fake Star Wars - Tyrant basically tells Duray that he was a clumsy as he was stupid, and that he's failed him for the last time, then kills him in fornt of his own men - I guess that's the standard way to deal with problems in an evil empire
  17. Quote:
    Originally Posted by OminousVoice View Post
    Aside from PC's, and a select few NPC's, the general populace of Primal doesn't have a clue about the true nature of Cole and Praetoria.
    And neither do most Paretorians:

    Quote:
    "Emperor Cole is a savior, but others know there's more to the story that isn't written in the history books. Most citizens of Praetorian Earth respect him or even love him. Some who know the truth fear him, and fewer still dare to stand against the lies. No matter what he is called in the halls of power or history books, no one can stop the hushed whispers in the streets and back alleys of his empire where he is called by another name...Tyrant."
  18. Quote:
    Originally Posted by Techbot Alpha View Post
    ....
    What....that...it....


    How can he produce such greatness here and such utter rot for the Puddle of Mild Annoyance, then?!

    John, I want a word ¬¬
    It's down to your personal taste
  19. Quote:
    Originally Posted by Lazarillo View Post
    Well, if that were the case, there would be no real need for Cole to argue with Duray, given that he killed him anyway.
    Tyrant is very keen to project a certain image to his followers and his enemies - just compare the loyalist propaganda posters with their "our guardian" and "hero" slogans to the Arachnos poster with their "obey and live" slogans - Tyrant rules with an "obey or live" policy, but unlike Recluse, he doesn't want to give people the impression that he's a villain.
  20. Quote:
    Originally Posted by Techbot Alpha View Post
    Whoever wrote that?
    John "Protean" Hegner - the one who does the writing for the Incarnate storyline
  21. Quote:
    Originally Posted by El__D View Post
    What a twist!

    Seriously, didn't expect this one o.o Maybe Cole isn't the huge jerkface we've been making him out to be.
    Yes, Tyrant using the Devouring Earth threat as a chance to play the role of the savior of humanity is a totally new tactic for him to try
  22. Quote:
    Originally Posted by SwellGuy View Post
    Invasion?!
    Time to test out that new server hardware
  23. Quote:
    Originally Posted by FredrikSvanberg View Post
    Recently (?) we learned that the whole Loyalist faction was a late addition to the GR experience. Apparently we were supposed to all be Resistance and the morality choices would only reflect Warden or Crusader mentalities.
    That's not quite correct - the loyalist option was known about as far back at October 2009, and GR itself was only announced in May 2009 - the original idea seems to have been to have it very obvious that loyalsist = Villain, and Resistance = Hero, going by this post by Positron from October 2009:

    http://boards.cityofheroes.com/showthread.php?t=196732

    Some of that original idea also showed up during the beta, when all loyalist missions had the Villain mission completion music, and all Resistance missions had the Hero completion music, and Resistance players could choose Hero titles, and loyalist could choose Villain titles.
  24. Quote:
    Originally Posted by TheJazMan View Post
    It has been long said the nemesis often makes the super in comics; they enhance the story and the cool factor when done right. We don't have enough of that in this game, IMO
    I thought that the general opinion was that we have quite a lot of Nemesis in the game?
  25. Quote:
    Originally Posted by Deus_Otiosus View Post
    Simplistic views of situations are simplistic.
    Ther truth is always simple