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  1. The head start will be great for running the First Ward arcs, new low level Hero content and the Underground Trial so that everything's done in time for the full launch, and I can lurk in Atlas Park to greet the freebie hordes
  2. Quote:
    Originally Posted by Nalrok_AthZim View Post
    I've been too busy in Mercy checking out the new arcs and blasting people to dust with my Beam Corr.
    After checking out the amazing new graphics for Atlas Park, I went straight to First Ward to soak up all the new Praetorian lore
  3. Quote:
    Originally Posted by Avatea View Post
    Members of the Paragon Studios Community team will be giving away in game items randomly on the Exalted server during the first week! All you need to do is be on Exalted and you may be one of the lucky winners!
    That's very leet
  4. I'm surprised that so many people haven't seen these yet - the open beta's been going for a while now
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    Originally Posted by KnightofKhonsu View Post
    However, you kill a murderer with the consent of the law, and then your actions are justified by the law. That is the difference in making the right moral choice.
    That's not correct at all - one of the main things that dictatorships do is to make laws to strengthen their position, and give the illusion of justice, and trick people into thinking that they're not just thugs abusing their power.
    For example, there are laws in Praetoria, even though there don't need to be - Tyrant is immortal and almost invincible, and his chief supervillain followers are also incredibly powerful - if he and his henchpeople decide to do something, no one can stop them - but by creating laws, the loyalists can give the impression that there's justice in their system - they could torture and muder the opponents of their dictatorship without needing any laws, becuase they hold all the power - but they prefer to work behind a facade of legality, to give the illusion that they follow a set of laws and rules.

    For example, Calvin Scott was sent to Mother Mayhem's asylum by imperial decree, even though Tyrant just needed to call someone like Marauder and tell him to get rid of the man who was asking difficult questions about what happened to his wife - but as a legal system is an important part of any civilization, the self-appointed "champion" of civilization needs to work within some kind of legal framework to avoid looking like a power-crazed monster.
  6. Quote:
    Originally Posted by T_Immortalus View Post
    Maybe this is true, but the people will live and the species will continue, with opportunities to gain influence and power within the organization, under Cole's vision.
    Hamidon just wants to end the species.


    Life or death?
    Tyranny or nothingness?


    I guess it's more of a question of "do you believe in a better life after death or the absolute tyranny of nothingness after death?".
    Don't forget that the Hamidon isn't trying to kill everyone - the Tellurian Palgue is intended to transform people into Devouring Earth creatures, not kill them - like Tyrant, the Hamidon sees the solution to the "problem" of humanity being the transformation of humans into something inhuman.
    That's the way the twin monsters of Praetoria are set up - the Hamidon is the physical/outer monster, a human that has gained incredible power and became a huge beast that transforms humans into creatures to serve its will and "save" the world from humanity - while Tyrant is the mental/inner monster, a human who has gained incredible power, who transforms humans into mindless slaves to serve his will and "save" the world from humanity - which is why the Praetorian content has such a strong emphasis on mental violence and slavery, as well as obsession and insanity - the physical horror of the PPD and the loyalist stormtroopers with their torture rooms and secret slaughter houses under the streets takes a back seat to the mental horror of Tyrant's enslaved though police, the BAF, and the drugged water supply.

    That's why Tyrant and the Hamidon were able to reach an agreement on how to deal with the "problem" of humanity - becuase they're both aiming for the same goal - to transform the people into something that's no longer human - and the people of Praetoria are trapped between the outer monster beyond the sonic fences, and the inner monster who is crushing them in his iron fist inside the fences.
    And that's where the players come in - our task is to set the people free by defeating both the monsters, the tyrant and the beast, who between them are transforming the people of Praetorian Earth into things that are no longer human.
  7. Quote:
    Originally Posted by T_Immortalus View Post
    If anything, they only rewrite the minds of those who prove they can't be trusted to not be evil(Syndicate for example) and they don't think should be killed or Mother Mayhem's slavery(which does need to be stopped).
    Like Katie Douglas' father, who was sent to the BAF for asking about his daughter? Or Calvin Scott, who as sent to mother Mayhem's asylum on Tyrant's personal order for trying to find out the truth about what happened to his wife? Or Wardog's whole family "disappearing" after he refused to stop teaching his students the truth about the hsitory of Praetoria?
    Tyrant despises humanity, and thinks that anyone who opposes him or questions him is "evil" - he's a monster, not some morally gray person trying to do the right thing - he's as big a threat to Praetoria as the Hamidon.

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    Originally Posted by T_Immortalus View Post
    Everything else is just your unfounded assumptions as it is not in the story, yet.
    GR was filled with Tyrant's crimes, and there's info all over the place about just what a nightmare his "utopia" is.
  8. Quote:
    Originally Posted by ChiosuBlues View Post
    It seems that it was someone else's plan and Emperor Cole is QUITE PISSED OFF about it.
    In public, yes
  9. Golden Girl

    New Patch (9/8)

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    Originally Posted by VoodooGirl View Post
    Usually is.

    Means they'll be freeing up the Beta Server...

    ...for other things...!
    Maybe even an I21.5
  10. Golden Girl

    Freedom? Hardly

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    Originally Posted by joshdex View Post
    Wait, what in the game do 99% of the people have NO chance of even SEEING?
    A straight catgirl?
  11. Quote:
    Originally Posted by Forbin_Project View Post
    People want to be sheep.
    And that makes hospitals blow up
  12. Quote:
    Originally Posted by Amerikatt View Post
    "Apology accepted, Colonel Duray!"
    I don't think that the resemblance to military discipline in another evil empire was an accident
  13. Quote:
    Originally Posted by Heroic Fetus View Post
    The "villainous" plots are more watered-down than a Disney/Pixar flick, but oh well.
    I'd be interested to know which Disney/Pixar movie Westin Phipps is the watered-down version of
  14. Quote:
    Originally Posted by Kitsune9tails View Post
    As a recognized sovereign power, it also gives a reason why the heroes don't just wander over from Paragon en masse and clean up the place.
    Arachnos actually has a double role in the game mechanics - as an organization that's too powerful for Heroes to defeat, it gives Villains a safe area to work in without needing open world PvP - and as an organization that's too powerful for Villains to overhtrow, it allows the devs to avoid the problems that would come with a free-for-all power-grab if there was no dominant group in the Rogue Isles to limit the kind of things Villains could get up to.
  15. Quote:
    Originally Posted by Zemblanity View Post
    Not true, mission Tips have him repeatedly replacing high-profile heroes (and villains) with his automatons.
    For Nemesis, that is quiet

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    Who knows how many of our NPC peers have been replaced already?
    Talking of that, on one of the UStream broadcasts a while back, John "Protean" Hegner claimed that quite a few of the NPCs that we interacted with in the 1-20 GR content were actually Protean in disguise - but it was hard to tell is he was just joking or beingh serious about it
  16. Quote:
    Originally Posted by Noyjitat View Post
    Clearly another Nemesis plot in the works.
    He's been very quiet since we messed up his little Rikti invasion plot
  17. Quote:
    Originally Posted by Caraecyn View Post
    So after that he is the driving force behind herding up everyone into a walled off mega city to protect them and keep them human.
    He isn't keeping them human - he's dehumanizing them, and turning them into mindless robots.
  18. Quote:
    Originally Posted by Starcloud View Post
    Duray got off lightly.
    He's just a cog in a bigger machine
  19. Quote:
    Originally Posted by Arcanaville View Post
    I'm sure you could generate a narrative in which Hitler was the good guy
    Well, that's basically what some players have been trying to do since GR was first announced - although each new content update has seen fewer and fewer of them still trying it
  20. Quote:
    Originally Posted by T_Immortalus View Post
    1) Is Tyrant truly complicit in "inhuman crimes" or unknowing of them or unwilling to deal with the issues that would come from stopping such crimes?
    He tells loyalists that they both have blood on their hands
  21. Quote:
    Originally Posted by UberGuy View Post
    They were, but a revisitation seemed inevitable once we were "shown" Cole doing something that has a hint of goodness and honor (viewed in a vacuum, at least).
    We're still waiting

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    Originally Posted by Psyte View Post
    now I'm wondering what COH: Family Guy would be like. "All hail Emperor Quagmire! Giggity!"
    Just ask Dominatrix.
  22. Quote:
    Originally Posted by fallenz View Post
    There right and there wrong. What Cole is doing to for the so called greater good is wrong. How is this so hard for some to grasp?
    It's that Praetorian salute - it speaks to some people on all kinds of levels, and they just can't bring themselves to think of people like that as being absolute evil
  23. Quote:
    Originally Posted by Bloodspeaker View Post
    Neither is saving the human race from extinction.
    Tyrant and the Hamidon share very similar goals - they both despise humanity, but they have different opinions on how to deal with the "problem" of humans being human

    On Praetorian Earth, Marcus Cole and Hamidon Pasalima have had very similar career paths, motivated by the same basic goals, and are presented in-game and out of it as the twin monsters that will crush what's left of the human race on their world.
  24. Quote:
    Originally Posted by T_Immortalus View Post
    True good people and heroes don't want power; they just don't want others to have the power to prevent them from living a good honest happy life.
    Vanessa might feel that there need to be some heroes running Praetoria for a bit to help tear down the system Tyrant has set up and build a proper governemnt instead, because Tyrant's dictatorship isn't a system where crimes against humanity happen from time to time because of rogue members - it's a system built entirely on crimes against humanity, where they're carried out 24/7, because that's the only thing that can keep the system in place.

    Plus, the devs actually saying that Tyrant is a villain, and that the loyalists are the real threat to Praetoria, and that the Resistance are the good side kinda backs up the content we see in-game too