GhostMaster

whoa back up. So he had numbers that he originally intended that ended up different then was actually implemented? how the heck does that work? Was this one of those powers invented 30 minutes before it was released live? If it wasn't what he wanted then why didn't he take it back to the programers back when it was in test for a month+?
This sort of thing seems to happen frequently enough you'd think they would look at new powers about to be released very very carefully, to be sure it was what it should be.

Of course they do! Anything else would be stupid. A new power has to look good or nobody will bother to make a build with it. The news will be, "subpar powerset". Nobody would seriously look at it. SC was the only real reason I tried it. If they make shield charge as weak as some of the other armor based powersets damage powers then might as well use one of the other better armors.

Well darn it was working and then it just changed itself to overperforming. I bet the devs wish powers they create would quit doing that.. Must be a gremlin running around in their code.

I hadn't heard that.. But it makes complete sense. It has to be nerfed because players liked it. Everything the devs dont like is overpowered. The devs dont like popular builds. Both my cousins quit playing because builds they spent a lot of time working on got nerfed one way or the other. The devs dont care because to them players quitting can be mitigated by figuring out clever ways to get more players to join.

Castle is a prime example of a dishonest person. He lies a lot. When shields was about to be released live from test, I doubt he said, "Well shield charge is way overpowered but we are going to release it anyway so people can see how cool it is then we will cut its throat later"
It works the way it was designed to and Castle knew how it worked then when they fully tested it.
Personally this is the kind of thing that can really makes me unhappy with the game. The devs roam around nerfing peoples work of art till its subpar or average. With many excuses thrown in. I think reality is they want to force people to make new builds.

I have vented, you may have been joking though history says you aren't. People may be inclined to flame. Don't bother. I wont be back to read it.

The next thread should be, "What farming build is safest from being nerfed."

Bleh.. Im probably going to regret not reading the rest of the thread first BUT, why would I need SO acc slotted? I never use it without Buildup. Generally buildup provides enough tohit for what Im doing. 3 damage 3recharge in SC 3 recharge in hasten and 3 recharge in BU.

No it's more like "her plant kin does better!"

Duo with an emp if you can or other buffer with a heal. Even at low levels once you get TS you can do pretty good on a small farm just the two of you.
Soloing you just rely on converting stuff to purples to keep your defense up. only LB and DE can really mess you up but thats mostly higher levels.

You mean two spawns every 30. Personally I have two EL/SD builds. One is a scrapper and the other is the equivalent tank. I dont use any maps with "perfect spawns" There is always a couple on the outskirts I have to talk into getting a bit cozy. It takes a few seconds to get their attention and by that time the bosses I dragged from the last spawn are already on me. Dragging leftover spawn to me is a very viable way to keep active and keep the xp per hour/minute high. TS works way better then most folks would think it does. I use it to soften up bosses especially if my two nukes are not up. (I dont have any +recharge slotted yet)
However this debate over which is faster/better for farming is totally pointless if you dont have the numbers to back it up. Whatever happened to herostats? Doesn't it still work? Ultimately only damage per hour or minute is going to mean anything.
Then all we have to consider is that some of us are more passive farmers who get a snack, answer the phone, check on the kids, get a drink of water. While others are more focused and intense not letting anything interrupt them. It doesnt take a genius to figure out who is going to have the most damage per second.

Another point that should be clarified by people bragging how fast and easy something is , is to explain what they are actually farming at. +4 spawned for 8 is much different then +1 spawned for 8 or even +0 spawned for 8. Even con minions and lt's will be gone(mostly) in one LR. Based on my experiance that is the only way you are going to get away with one nuke per 8 man spawn. I usually run +1 or +2 spawned for 6 or 8. I will double nuke two groups spawned for 8 all the time. I am over my aggro limit and over the limit for what my first nuke can hit. By the second nuke and TS im down to bosses and a few lucky LT's.
I haven't used herostats in a long time so not sure what my damage by time is but its decent compared to the other farms ive assisted on.
Now if I could just run as fast on +4's as that plant/kin I ran with the other day id have it made.