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Heh, yeah, I don't think they were worried about the contents of the zombie stomach spoiling the zombie meat
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The zombie herd was at least 8-12 hrs or so away by time they came upon the church...they'd called off the search for the night, remember. I don't think the noise was much of an issue compared to the opportunity for fresh protein.
What jarred me, oddly enough, was the Catholic crucifix in the Southern Baptist church. I get why they did it (visual focal point for the praying scenes, and a lil "hey look, zombie Jesus *nudge nudge*"), but still...I've never heard of a Protestant denomination displaying the cross with Christ still on it. -
Was only one special feature at the end....guess they cut it down from the blu-ray version. Documentary short called "Heart of Vengeance : Returning Batman to His Roots". Was dated 2011, so it's a new piece. Basically clips of various DC writers and artists that worked on the Bat titles after the 60's TV show went away (notably absent but talked about a LOT was Frank Miller) talking about how they transitioned Batman away from the camp of the 50's and 60's to what he is today.
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Game of Thrones maybe...but The Walking Dead was and continues to be a comic book.
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Quote:Walmarts refund policy is a result of them being huge, not the cause. They do so much volume they can afford to eat the cost of returned non-defective items.Originally Posted by Shubbie
But they do need to come up with a clear and concise refund policy.
Not leave everyone hanging here clueless and chomping at each other lord of flies style.
Also make it easy to understand and read, not bury it 1000 pages deep in a eula.
Also, also Walmart has a no questions refund policy and I do believe they are the biggest retailer worldwide, best buy however sometimes hassles customers, sometimes not. Not nearly as succesful. -
Quote:Originally Posted by Nox__Fatalis
Great guy, great genius, all that.
But he didn't invent hardly anything, for all his patents and such. He didn't invent the smartphone. Blackberry's and HTC products were there first. He didn't invent tablet computers. He didn't invent desktop computers. He didn't invent portable mp3 players.
Yet this is what people keep saying. It's not true, stop saying it. If anything, his products focused on superficial aesthetics and made electronic media trendy and simpler to use for newbies. Just like AOL did with the internet, this simplicity retarded the ability of it's users to use related computer products and electronics.
I'm not judging or criticizing. It's just very hard to sit back with this complete lack of perspective or historical accuracy because of the throngs of cultish apple buyers and the media's biased love affair with the company.
RIP Jobs, while I'm sure it wouldn't bother you, you did plenty of good things for the industry, and most people will only know about your I-series of eyecandy coated products.
Yeah, moments after the man's death is announced is a good time to point out things like this. I'm fairly anti-apple, but dude...that's just crass. -
Quote:Whatever gets you through the day, pal. Though it was more likely your abuse of the profanity filter that got your post modded out.Originally Posted by Durakken
I didn't know saying someone is a liar and it is readily apparent as well as they have the physics wrong with sources backing it up like so many keep saying I never do is considered a rant.
Of course that is deleted but the Arcana and Furio and several others being harassing and insulting is still there... You know I think I'll go flag them all see what happens as they should be deleted to. -
Quote:Yeah...The renumbering of books that have been running for longer than my parents have been alive is a big tip off that "we're starting over"Originally Posted by Quasadu
The #1 on the cover tells me all I need to know about that.
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Shaw wasn't fat...Leland was the fat one, iirc.
And I think anyone that's even heard of the X-men knows the movies are almost completely unrelated
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Nemesis loves Street Justice....even before it existed
"I assure you, my good man, that Nemesis is most definitely 'down with the street (justice).' Word up, my homie, as it were."
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Quote:Completely agree. Ordinary day in Shaw's life, that's 100% accurate. But there was a caveat in the question... "Unpowered" Shaw. Shaw generally takes roundhouse kicks to the face with his eggs in the morning so he's always running at superhuman levels, but when he's not charged up, he's just a normal man.Originally Posted by MarvelZombie
Gotta disagree with that last sentence. Shaw has repeatedly handled haymakers from Colossus without any problem. Spidey a full step or two down from Piotr - if Shaw can handle Colossus' punches, he can easily handle Spidey's. If I recall my TSR Marvel Superheroes RPG:
Colossus: STR75 (Monsterous)
Iron Man/Vision/She-Hulk: STR50 (Amazing)
Spidey: STR40 (Incredible)
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Quote:Um...you're the only one to mention atomic bombs. You claimed that nuclear energy = kinetic energy. She explained why you were wrong, which involved the nuances of nuclear energy.Originally Posted by Durakken
No.
Arcana was speaking directly to what I said thinking that I'm talking about the atomic forces at work for some reason. We're all talking about a bomb going off other than her. Thus she is not paying attention to what is being said.
However the point that matters is that nuclear energy is not "kinetic energy" as far as Shaw's power is concerned. -
Quote:This is why there *are* different classifications of energy besides just potential and kinetic...and why I posted the wiki link. Kinetic energy is certainly present when an atomic bomb goes off, but so is thermal, luminous, nuclear, sound...Originally Posted by Durakken
No one is talking about weak and strong forces other than you. What you are describing is Potential energy but no one means that. They are talking about an atomic bomb exploding in your face. That is kinetic energy.
Please, pay attention to what is said and understand the conversation before interjecting.
Like Arcana said, when talking about Shaw's powers, "... when we say he absorbs "kinetic energy" we mean attacks that deliver concussive force, because that's what he's been observed to absorb". There's too much else going on in an atomic bomb explosion for the question "Can Shaw absorbe enough "kinetic energy" to survive an atomic bomb?" to be relevant when discussing the extent of Shaw's ability.
He might be able to absorb all of the "kinetic energy" from whatever debris from it that hits him...but the radiation will kill him if the heat doesn't do it first....because the RL kinetic energy in present in those other types of energy is *not* what Shaw's power can absorb as far has been demonstrated in the comics. -
Quote:Originally Posted by Arcanaville
On the general subject of how mutant powers work in general in the Marvel Universe, in-canon the characters themselves generally do not exactly know this: most of them are not physicists or doctors, nor do they study the limits of their own powers. So most know and describe their powers based on past experience. No one can stop the Juggernaut because no one has, not because there's a specific reason (beyond "its magic"). Presumably, anyone more powerful than the actual god Cyttorak can probably stop the Juggernaut.
Similarly, what we know of Shaw's powers comes from observation and the pronouncements of the other characters in the stories (things like Marvel Universe notwithstanding) and I don't think Shaw has ever actually volunteered to be tested to see what his powers actually do. So when we say he absorbs "kinetic energy" we mean attacks that deliver concussive force, because that's what he's been observed to absorb. He hasn't been observed to absorb fire, so he doesn't absorb heat energy. Why this is true is the subject of conjecture, but any explanation for how his powers works must start with the observation of what his powers do, not the description of what his powers do from what we have to assume are unreliable narrators.
And then there's that. Also, concussive....was just on the tip of my fingers, and couldn't get it out. Thanks -
Quote:Even calm Hulk (not so calm he's Banner, though) is more than un-charged Shaw could handle. Spidey level strength is likely more than un-charged Shaw could handle.Originally Posted by Durakken
unless hulk was calmed with playing with a toy!
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Quote:Originally Posted by mousedroid
Question - if Shaw encountered the Hulk when Shaw was largely unpowered, could the Hulk simply take Shaw by the arms and tear him in half? Or would that too be considered an input of kinetic energy that Shaw would somehow be able to resist/absorb?
P.S.: Only Hayden Christensen can truely defeat Sebastian Shaw.
I'd say Shaw would likely be in multiple pieces after an encounter with the Hulk, regardless of how powered up he (Shaw) was...but that's more due to limitations on Shaw's particular manifestation of his powers (as opposed to the concept of them...like the difference between Quicksilver's super-speed "really fast" and the Flash's "ludicrous speed!"), and the absurd levels of the Hulk's strength.
AFAIK, Shaw does have an upper limit to how much and how fast he can absorb/process energy...and I'm fairly certain that the Hulk would overtop that pretty easily. -
Quote:Originally Posted by Durakken
Why is it people think they are being smart or clever by posting a wiki article that reiterate long form whatever I said in a really simple to understand colloquial form. None of that is needed for this discussion. It's obvious that there is more to it, but unneeded to talk about.
The comics say kinetic energy. It takes all of 3 seconds to realize that what the comics mean by kinetic and what the real world means is only similar on the surface and any real physics is out the window.
Shaw absorbs a small range of what could be considered kinetic energy, but he obviously doesn't absorb just any kinetic energy or what exactly we mean when we say kinetic energy and thus the question is what does he absorb? and would it be better to call it that rather than simply kinetic.
it's not about being smart or clever. It's about defining terms so that everyone is talking about the same thing. Also in this specific case, it's pointing out that the real world does indeed differentiate between the various types of "comic book physics" energies, and that saying there's only potential and kinetic is a gross oversimplification. -
Quote:I'll just leave this, then I'm done.Originally Posted by Durakken
This is why Furio is decidely dumb in face palming. In comics there are different types of energy. In reality there is Kinetic and Potential and everything fits in those two categories which can be summed up as "doing something" and "not doing something"
Nuclear energy is kinetic energy however comics don't always treat it as such just like sci-fi stories that differentiate between projectile and energy weapons... Most "energy" weapons are projectile weapons
So the real question is what do they believe in "kinetic" and which place you answer "whatever the writer wants" but it's obvious he can only absorb a small portion of what is called kinetic energy otherwise he'd have a lot of problems... either that or he has quite a bit of control of his power...what with him not exploding constantly
from the wiki entry which is remarkably similar to every physics text i've read.
Forms of energy
Main article: Forms of energy
Heat, a form of energy, is partly potential energy and partly kinetic energy.
In the context of physical sciences, several forms of energy have been defined. These include:
- Thermal energy, thermal energy in transit is called heat
- Chemical energy
- Electrical energy
- Radiant energy, the energy of electromagnetic radiation
- Nuclear energy
These forms of energy may be divided into two main groups; kinetic energy and potential energy. Other familiar types of energy are a varying mix of both potential and kinetic energy.
Energy may be transformed between these forms, some with 100% energy conversion efficiency and others with less. Items that transform between these forms are called transducers.
The above list of the known possible forms of energy is not necessarily complete. Whenever physical scientists discover that a certain phenomenon appears to violate the law of energy conservation, new forms may be added, as is the case with dark energy, a hypothetical form of energy that permeates all of space and tends to increase the rate of expansion of the universe.
Classical mechanics distinguishes between potential energy, which is a function of the position of an object, and kinetic energy, which is a function of its movement. Both position and movement are relative to a frame of reference, which must be specified: this is often (and originally) an arbitrary fixed point on the surface of the Earth, the terrestrial frame of reference. It has been attempted to categorize all forms of energy as either kinetic or potential: this is not incorrect, but neither is it clear that it is a real simplification, as Feynman points out:These notions of potential and kinetic energy depend on a notion of length scale. For example, one can speak of macroscopic potential and kinetic energy, which do not include thermal potential and kinetic energy. Also what is called chemical potential energy (below) is a macroscopic notion, and closer examination shows that it is really the sum of the potential and kinetic energy on the atomic and subatomic scale. Similar remarks apply to nuclear "potential" energy and most other forms of energy. This dependence on length scale is non-problematic if the various length scales are decoupled, as is often the case ... but confusion can arise when different length scales are coupled, for instance when friction converts macroscopic work into microscopic thermal energy.
In terms of Shaw, he absorbs kinetic energy, but I believe it's implied that the intent there is that it's the kinetic energy of actual matter is what he's best at absorbing, not the subatomic kinetic energy in say a chemical reaction...but the fact that there's some amount of kinetic energy in those other types of is what the writers use to justify the tricks like using a lightning bolt to charge him up. As far as Hulk (or anything else) punching him, a fist impacting imparts kinetic energy. Maybe a bit of heat transfer from friction. "Pressure" is not a type of energy....not even one of your so-called "comic book physics" types...which look to me to be actual real world energy types. Hence, the facepalm before.
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Quote:Exactly.Originally Posted by Schismatrix
No, no he wasn't wrong to post the pic. Even this post is a confused mess of not getting it. It's... wow... there are so many things wrong with it that i'm just going to bow out now. Reminds me of when Dur was telling engineers and mathematicians that they knew less about how a starship should be designed because his total lack of relevant experience made him more smarter or something.
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Quote:Originally Posted by Durakken
See... the first part of the smash is kinetic, but once the fist of Hulk is on the head of Shaw the force/energy is no longer Kinetic. It's pressure or whatever... also I'm talking comic physics not real physics. Comics don't view energy as kinetic/potential but rather kinetic as being one of several types of working energy. If this wasn't the case Shaw would have a lot of problems with the whole absorbing kinetic energy with things like hearing or seeing... or staying on earth in general.
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Quote:Originally Posted by Durakken
Since when does Hulk punch... last time i heard...he smashes and smashing is not kinetic force...
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gufXf...layer_embedded
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Quote:Because being a prerequisite for a thing is not the same as being the thing itself.Originally Posted by TwoHeadedBoy
Well, first of all I want absolutely nothing to do with the Beta argument because I wasn't around for it anyways.
For my part, I was told I couldn't use the Incarnate System without first buying GR. Why should access to the Alpha Slot which I paid for (Please don't try to tell me I didn't pay for it. I was told I needed x amount of money to access y thing, and so I complied.) be unavailable to me under a model where past purchases remain valid without a monthly subscription fee?
Granted, this is all hypothetical. I have no plans to be anything but a VIP subscriber at any point- But I don't think that should make it any less valid. -
Quote:Originally Posted by CactusBrawler
Then they should of refunded all pre-purchases no? Because what people bought from them ,turned out to be different to what they recived. Their are a metric ****-ton of laws against that by the way.
"I sold you prime cod, but we didn't have cod, enjoy your flatfish"
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Quote:No quandry here. Yes, they said the Alpha slot *was* going to be in GR. Completely true according to their intentions *at the time*. Then beta happened (ie at a time after that statement of intentions) and they revised that statement to (paraphrasing) "The Alpha slot will *not* be in GR".Originally Posted by CactusBrawler
The first level was, as said by Positron and Warwitch, but they they are just/were lead devs of Paragon Studios, what do they know?
Hmm quandry for some of you, if the devs are always right and thus we never got Alpha as part of going rogue according to latest information, were the devs wrong when they said it was?
Kinda of hard to defend the devs, when you are calling them simpletons in the same sentance isn't it?
The passage of time is the key here. At one time GR was going to include the Alpha slot. At another, later time it wasn't going to have the Alpha slot...and it didn't.
