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I dunno about that build. Not how I'd go about it. In the blaster forums the blaster guides topic has a decent guide that still works well for fire/dev. Time bomb is definitely skippable. Trip mine is all one needs.

please just add an auto ignore filter that can be adjusted by level or something. This is not a great problem to find whem coming back to this game only recently.

You can't get them yourself until you are lvl 45. But, if someone u know gets some lvl 45 HO's, they can pass them off to you if they so wish it. U could use them if u were a lvl 42.

lvl 49 Fungi Monster class.....

Me - 50 fire/dev - inferno.

Didn't see any rad debuffs on him at the time...and my damage total there was cumulative.
And the exact total was like 2990.7 i believe.

I don't require HO's to beat people who have already lost in their own minds.

My blaster can already do 3k damage on one attack and that's only 4 HO's in it.

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What is his reply going to be when I say I dont do PvP, or at least I don't do it with hami farmers. Are they going to say..."Very well, thats your option not to, good day to you." I think it will be more infused with expletives and name calling.

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In order to back up your arguements, u shouldn't overlook the fact that if a player used explicatives and derogetory language that was deemed excessive by the GM's. That player could get suspended or kicked from the game. So here's one more worry debunked.

Quotes are fun.

Curveball..

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So by having HO's for the top 6 lvls, PvP becomes totally unplayable for you since all you have is one toon, and that toon happens to be a lvl 45+?

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Not 'totally unplayable', just totally unlike the other 44 levels in terms of balance. From levels 15-44, you can go up against an opponent of levels 15-44 and expect a fair fight, because it's built into the system. From 45 onwards, you could be fighting someone who was your approximate equal, or you could be fighting someone who had bought 40 HOs off fricking Ebay. That integral balance goes straight out of the window.

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Here you ware wrong because in the game there are many points where there will be distinct advantages given to players who spend more time playing than others. For one, the point when players get DO's. The first lvls of PvP will ahve distinct advantages given to players who have high lvl toons and loaded up their toons w/ Complete sets of DO's including the non power 10 enhances. From the late teens, to early 20's , the very same thing, including some hero's at lvl 20 who have all DO's w/ quite a few SO's from trials run over and over again as well as handme downs from sg mates quite possibly. We can't tell for sure all the social dynamics that can play out on this one. Then for sure the lvl 22 crowd. Some players will have complete sets of SO's while new players to the game - quite possibly will not. This imbalance as you don't see it will go on for a few more lvls after that.
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You see, we wouldn't be emphasising fairness and balance if the system wasn't already fair and balanced everywhere but the last five levels. For some reason, after level 45, it all goes to hell. So, we need some way to opt out of the whole HO mess, either by being able to see when our opponents have them, or turn them off and on.

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What enemy have u faced so far in the game told you what all it's attributes were buffed up to? Does hamidon have a screen to show you what powers he has? Does hamidon tell you what kind of enhances he uses?
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I only have limited time to play in the day. I don't have time to waste on fights where the odds are stacked against me from the start, or where I can't see the odds in the first place. Sure, I might feel like a challenge sometimes, but if I'm going to make time to play in the Arena, I'd like to choose my level of risk. Up to level 44, the game takes care of that automatically. 45 and upwards, all bets are off.

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Well , maybe u don't have the time to play any other char than your primary. But the game gives u 8 slots per server to hold chars. You aren't forced into anything w/ PvP. And you are still ignoring the fact that in the game already we have differences in bad guys and lvl ranges. At 25, they have access to new powers they didn't before. By 40, you run into many enemies that tactics at lvl 35 no longer work. The bad guys get harder. Why should battles in pvp stay the same from lvl's 1-50?
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Put it this way: how would you feel if someone else got to choose your reputation in PvE, and could determine how tough the enemies you faced would be, without you knowing?

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I wouldn't care, this point is irrelevant.

You also gave me a thought that i'm suprised you missed out on being the first to mention. What if the game calculated the odds of you winning a match w/out telling each other what they have slotted and how. The devs could come up w/ a system to give up odds on your chances of winning against another player. Who's to say they haven't already done that......

You said it all right here.

What other game has the ability to lvl you down to meat that of your opponent? Diablo 2 never did. A lvl 1 w/ every inventory slot filled w/ hexs could kill a lvl 100 in one hit. THis game has no chance of that sort of imbalance occuring.

I see the way i responded didn't separate you from the general perception of the zeros. I didn't mean you so much as the people who say they have no chance before they have even tried.

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Like I said, bring on the additional means to acquire Hami O's. Yes, I have quite a few, but not nearly as many as the bastards who KSed buds before the reward system was changed. If I were more like you I would be screaming to have those people nerfed somehow, because they are going to beat me every time in the arena. But I really don't care about that, I'm doing my best to cope with the impact that Hami O's *could* have on PvP. I suggest you do the same because they aren't going anywhere. Prepare for the worst and hope for the best, that's all any of us can do until I4 hits.

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another hero who's already lost in his mind. I for one will laugh at every single person worried about PvP when i beat a person w/ HO's w/ my lvl 36 toon w/ all trainers. I will laugh so hard at all of you that your moms will be embarassed to have given birth to you. The whole community as a whole can laugh at you because you lost before PvP came out. And, to top it off - you knew it.

Generally speaking here -
HO's aren't the Zeros problem - it's their lack of drive that is their problem. They don't even want to see if they can beat someone w/ overwelming odds. They aren't heroes, they are Zeros.

What's the alternative? Not fighting PvP as a lvl 45-50 w/out having HO's? I'm sorry, are there not 44 other lvls go compete on? So by having HO's for the top 6 lvls, PvP becomes totally unplayable for you since all you have is one toon, and that toon happens to be a lvl 45+?

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Do away w/ the boards devs....some people don't like reading them.....just like HO's - it should be removed from existance....

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Yeah, because we've all been arguing that HOs should be removed altogether. Not a single one of us has been arguing for their OPTIONAL DEACTIVATION or anything.

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Completely taking my thoughts out of context is see. This quip is for all the raiding hamidon is not fun...."slideshow" is a word that's been used quite often. Well, i know people who don't bother to read the boards since it's not fun for them. The same logic applies, if it's not fun for some, it should be removed....

And the whole deactivated idea is stupid. For one thing, many powers have quite a few different types of enhances that can be slotted. The probablility exists that some heroes put in HO's in place of different types of enhances because "1" - they got a HO of a different type instead and was slottable or because the other type of enhance will not be as effective and therefore isn't needed.

Now you have someone w/ a bunch of HO's in places that could use different SO's. If that person didn't have HO's, it's conceivable they would want to use different enhances that effected different attributes. But now, w/ the idea of deactivating them - You'd have to create a whole new screen that made is so u could choose the attribute to keep on each and every HO. This still wouldn't satisfy all people because some will go, hey i can't use my HO, and i have to pick an attribute i don't want since it's not as effective as i want it to be... There would probably be as many pissed off HO holders as there are self defeatests here on the boards....

Your deactivate idea is more trouble than its worth.
That's why I'm goign to say w/ certainty it won't work in that manner.
There are other ways though to make it fair and balanced. But most of you are too caught up in argueing to see them. So i'll let you guys blow more smoke until PvP comes out.

This thread is still going?

No enhancements whatsoever...do away w/ them all.

Or, keep talking about how you want to beat another player w/ skill in a dice game......

Noone should be able to beat me w/ anything less than intelligence...this assures me a victory cus my iq runs up around 190. So all the people complaining about hami origins can shift their arguement over to all heroes should have a even chance so that people who are smarter than me can't just beat me up and say i'm a looser, they are leet, blah blah blah.....

People who spend boring time figuring out how to bind commands are on par w/ people who spend boring time fighting hami.

People who read the boards shouldn't have more of an advantage than heroes who don't. Just like hami-o's. Reading the boards is not fun for some people, just like fighting hamidon.....

Do away w/ the boards devs....some people don't like reading them.....just like HO's - it should be removed from existance.....

Can we make binds unavailable during matches...so one hero doesn't have an advantage over the hero who doesn't know how to bind stuff?

my thought exactly....seen way too many posts obviously overlooking the 57 pages before this that effectively poke holes in all arguements.....and still the same ideas keep popping up as if it hasn't been said 20 times already in the same thread....

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Nothing can be done to prevent highly skilled players from total domination and they must be weathered by the PvP community

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U really need to get your head out of your [censored]. This isn't a game of skill. If anything it's a contest of wits and how you've constructed your binds if u use them... That still has nothing to do w/ skill.

A skill is learning to weld, plumbing, being an electrician, building wooden ships in bottles. These things all include skills.
PLaying a mmorpg is not a skill. This whole battle on the boards is not about making this a skillful game. If it was, we'd all not be able to increase our toons lvls and we would all have the same power choices available to us much like counterstrike or Battlefield. These games come close to using something resembling skill. CoH, does not.

People who think of themselves too highly call themselves skilled players in this game.

you are so dense, it hurts to read almost everything u have typed. I start reading, feel the pain of the hollow thoughts, then notice you wrote it.

You would think that I wouldn't have to check to see who posted in order to know it was your insane lack of wisdom.

now the 0 enhancement idea is the one for me that is the no brainer for people afraid of getting clobbered by the HO crowds. THis has to be the one idea that beats all proposed on the lets nerf everyone stronger than me point of view.

THen it's not about you min/maxing better than someone else. A person who doesn't know how to slot properly has just an even field to play w/ the people who know how to slot effectively. In essence this not only equalizes the uber leet players w/ fully decked out toons w/ HO's - AND - makes it so the geeks who run numbers can't just go and wail on the little weakling casual players who don't build their toons by forumulas.

This could even make a 2 class system. One free for all, no holds barred fighting w/ enhancements. The other can be , the ultimate handicap fighting class.

Both can easily have their own tournaments, and everyone can play in both tournaments or just one of the tournaments if they want.

And noone has to have their enhancements turned into something they aren't.

I see absolutely nothing wrong w/ 2 ladders. It really doesn't come down to being a system based on my preferences. I have to trust the developers to come up w/ something that I want to participate in and give them feedback when i can see for myself what they have labored over.

Blasters do too much damage, they should be nerfed.
Scrappers can fight close range better than blasters, they should be nerfed. Controllers can hold an enemy to the point of wanting to logoff to do something other than doing nothing, they should be nerfed. Healers can heal faster than a blaster, they all should be nerfed. Let's point out all the differences and say they all are unfair so that the devs can make the game consist of only one AT w/ only 1 primary and 1 secondary available to us all. Then we can have a fair and balanced PvP system. How about it?

I see so much avoiding reality goign on here. I for one don't want to pvp w/ some casual joe who has no ho's. It would be absolutely no fun for me. I in fact am not that jazzed about pvp, i started the game w/out the expectation of pvp. BUt if they are going to add it. If a lvl 50 w/ lots of ho's has a battle w/ a lvl 42, all the ho's get reduced in magnatude to that of dual enhancement so's. Hence that person is no longer as uber as he would be fighting another lvl 50. Still though, the lvl 42 shouldn't have a reasonable expectation of beating someone who is 8 lvl's his senior. So the 50 still having an obvious advantage should be expected.

Now when it comes to fights at their own lvl's. Between 50's and 50's, w/ a rating system as to who's number 1 and who's number 1,345 - there won't be many players in that bottom layer w/ lots of ho's. SO all the players that dont want to participate in aspects of the game will have plenty of people to compete against that don't do raids as well.

If I an elitist player who feels that HO's are totally unfair and i'm ranked 1,234 i should know that taking on a rank 100 player might be a stupid idea. And no matter what no casual player should have an equal opportunity handed to him to be the #1 ranked pvp hero. Selling HO's to players who don't work for them is just that.

And will people stop reiterating the failed conclusion that they can cap HO's to a single attribute and cap the attribute buff to that of a SO....If i wanted an SO in that slot, i'd have something better than a lvl 50 in there, so right there i'd possibly have a disadvantage placed on me cus the other player has 51++ in all his slots while mine now has randomly selected attributes at 50. This idea is as thoughtless as any of my rants, please stop reinventing it in the same thread over and over again people.

The weight classes don't sound like to me like it's goign to be an all out unfair battle for all non hami'fied players. Once rankings start to sort themselves out the ho players and teams will filter to the top where they are pretty much in a class of their own and the non hamified players will beable to fight amongst themselves being able to clearly see where they stand rankwise as a contender.

If the #1 ranked player in his weight class has all HO's, isn't that going to be obvious before a challenge is issued?

I seem to remember going through my coh strategy guide and the developers had planned many raid like events that required....more than 8 players.....read your guides.... That alone tells you that the 8 man mission thing wasn't goign to be the only thing int he game. Your pointing out that it's differnt is jsut that, it's different from the 8 man mission, but your roles your usefulness and the need for tactics still applies to the big raid. I know i log on to my server, they are raiding, simple as that. I mission and i get [censored] for enhances. I'm fine w/ you not wanting to compete in heavy weight competition. I'm sorry you feel wronged. I guess free content updates just isn't enough.

I'm sure they should make the game to suit you and not the other few thousand people not unhappy about the future update.

I'm sure we'd see more than the small number of disappointed people on the boards if it was that catastrophic of an event.

Strange, i get baqck form the girlfriends and what happens when i log on... a raid, just before bedtime....guess i'll put forth the effort to help finish it off for another enhancement for the day.

Keep typing, i'll keep taking those enhanements while you talk about fairness in a pen and paper based mmorpg.....u want fairness...go run track, or start a different char and prove your point.

Respec trial is the same thing as doing a raid. Whether it takes 60 or 6, it still requires other people to do it. PLus i do those missions all the time. I'm telling you set at invincible, w/ a 6 to 8 man team yeilds so little as far as lvl 51 enhances. After about 8 hours of play I get sometimes none, sometimes 1. BUt in the last week, i've gotten almost 1 hami origin per 1.5 hours of raiding. On the other hand, For the exact same amount of time spent doing my missions and hunting i got 1 per every 3.5 hours of playing.

I think it's clear what's more elusive right now. At least on my server....maybe others don't have the numbers to make it happen. Or they just can't work together well enough to get it to happen. Defeating evil isn't all about doing what you want. It's about fighting evil however it sprouts up. If hamidon rules your server cus you don't want to fight him.....U are the problem, not the enhancements.

I know what you are saying and I will stand by the lvl 51+ SO enhancements for my magic lvl 50 character so not drop very often. I constantly have my missions set to invincible, i do missions to help lower lvl friends out. I worked my Tyrant story arc up to the last 2 missions this last week. I got only 1 lvl 51 enahnce that i could use that whole arc. I did countless Rularuu missions this last 2 weeks and got nothing as far as getting lvl 51+ enhances. U can say i suck all u want. I do however find more enhances from hunting. BUt it's pretty difficult to get a lvl 51 so off of lvl 50 bad guys.

So again, i repeat. It is easier to get hamidon enhancements on the JUSTICE server than it is to get a useful lvl 51+ SO enhancement. If you feel it's easier on your server to get a lvl 51+ SO, then by all means collect as many as u want. I'll stick w/ the hami origins.

Point of contest. From lvl 22 - 50 what is the progression....we get so's...get a few nice enhances that do 2 things....out lvl them....back to so's. Really neato.....nothing after so's......Hami origins are as rare as lvl 51+ enhances. Actually, so far as it has been last week. hami origins are easier to come by than a proper lvl 51+ origin so. Since hami origins are easier to come by now for anyone on justice server than a lvl 51+ enhancement of the needed origin, the so is more rare and should be removed from the game for beng loot.