Darkson

Ty Ty been gone so long didn't think anyone would notice me sneaking back in

Well its been a while, Been on wow for a bit. This is SenseiDeath not many of you know me I guess. But I'll try and be there Saturday. So till then game on.

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I used to be an hardcore PvPer in my previous games, GW and WoW arena.

When I moved to CoX, I mostly played PvE and after trying the PvP once or twice I used to think it was totally broken.

I was rather happy when they announced a revamp of the old PvP, and was hoping for something playable and fun.

They did exactly the contrary of what was needed, and completely destroyed everything that had potential in CoX PvP. Believe it or not : even not playing it, that's so easy to see from the perspective of a former PvP player.

The path should have been clear :
1. Add rewards to the old PvP system as a first move, to encourage ppl going into the zone, going into the arena.
2. Start to gather feedback from the "new" ppl coming to PvP, and compare it with the feedback from the "old" pvpers.
3. Work WITH the pvp community to improve the game and promote new changes and not AGAINST the playerbase.

When you want to improve your product, starting by pissing off 90% of your regular customers is never the way to procede. That should be in every management manual, and yet...

I've been in so many MMOs where I had strictly no doubt that, we, the hardcore pvpers, knew the PvP game mechanics so much better than the devs. And that's not surprising : there are the people thinking about the game as a whole, mostly not playing it, and the ones who play 24/7 a certain aspect to the game and push it to the edge.

In this game (CoX) the devs have crossed every boundary to show us their total ignorance about how their game works, PvP wise.

Now they can only show us they're clever enough to recognize their mistake and undo the total failure i13 PvP was and still is today.

I'm still in the game, enjoying PvE mostly as usual and loving this so original MMO in a world of "WoW-clones". But one thing is sure (and paradoxical), the day I'll cancel my 2 CoX accounts as a PvE player, i13 pvp changes will be the number 1 reason of my cancellation for their support.

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Thanks for understanding. I would hope the devs could see that most the people that did pvp before the changes are unhappy and the new blood are not even really there anymore. I know the devs have their hands full but please read the forums and really listen to what the players are asking for.

If you can weed out all the trollers that say this game sucks and read post that are from people trying to stay with a game that over the years we have called home. If you can do that Devs then you will start getting people to come back to the game and you will see more post of great job devs.

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Edit: what other PVP games HAVE you played? I'm curious.

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Let's see...

We'll start with pretty much every major and minor fighting game since the late 80's. Multi-player RTS from Warcraft through Starcraft up to Sins of a Solar Empire. FPS from DN3D, Quake, UT (and the metric ton of variations on it), CS (including a spot on a higher ranked league team in Vegas), TFC/TF2, L4D. MMO's from UO, EQ 1 and 2, DAoC, WoW, WAR, AA (lulz, AA), FF XI.

That's just off of the top of my head. How about you?

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I have trouble believing that you still think CoV PVP is actually good if all that is true.

Off the top of my head:
Wing Commander Armada, X-Wing vs. Tie Fighter, DOOM, DOOM2, Warcraft 1 and 2, Age of Empires 1 and 2, Quake 1,2, Wars, MOO2, L4D, Might and Magic: Dark Messiah, Darkfall Online, Pirates of the Burning Sea, Warhammer Online, Exteel, Dungeon Runners, Lineage II, Guild Wars, Age of Conan, Rome: Total War, Medieval II: Total War, Heroes of Might and Magic (series I-V) and of course, CoX.

I am also a beta tester for Fallen Earth, but I can't discuss that in any detail.

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Ok must of the games you have listed are not what I would call say is pvp, Yes you have listed some but not really alot of pvp games. But your Option is that you like other games pvp better and that is cool. So by all means go play those. This is topic is about how this games pvp has fallen from what it was. I agree, that we had to fix some issues, but like someone already said not to the point that they did.

If more people would of started coming into pvp maybe I wouldn't have said anything. But the sever I was on went from a active pvp place to a ghost town.

But really if you like another game much better I'm happy for you. I like the way this one worked as a paying customer for over 4 years now I think I have the right to say hey devs I was haveing fun with the other system and would like you to please fix it so that we can get people back to this game.

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Really why is that cause I might be right or were you one of the whinners?

You speak of balance. Well here goes

This game has AT that means they are stronger in some fields then other AT and weaker in other. The game was made to have people team for a reason.

I do not think a blaster should be able to take as much damage as a tank. Or for the tank to but out as much damage as a scrapper. But people cried it wasn't fair that there toon wasn't god and wanted it changed.

The AT were made the way they were to have people from teams and to run togather. It is known that if you get people to play togather they will play longer on a MMO. Why do you think they made SG/VG. They didn't do out of the kindness of there hearts. But they wanted people to feel like they are part of something.

What we have now is a system that was made by whinners for whinners. We have lost what AT was suppose mean. AT was suppose to be different. You weren't suppose to be the best healer and damage dealer. You were suppose to find some that made of what you lacked in. But not that not the case now its broke. You can say all you want it is not but it is.

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I think some old players suppressed someone's intelligence...

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How so cause I liked Pvp meaning something?

PvP is suppose to be tough not easy mode. If you are not up for a fight then you need to leave the zone. Us Pvpers build are toons for one reason and thats to win not cause they look pretty setting at some custome event. We play pvp cause well the content that is cox is lacking in a big way.

We pvp to have bragin rights, Just like a badge collector wants all the badges to show off what he has done. Now unlike alot of other people I'm not going to call the badge guy a loser he is playing the game the way he wants and that is fine.
So now pvp has change and some new blood has come to the pvp zone and think they are good when all in fact they are no better then they were before. If you were bad before your still bad but now you have a bandnad. And for the if you use a power your a noob well I have to say is this. If the power is there and it could save you and let you get the upper hand and you don't use it then your not a real pvper

Still no one is posting to why the old system was broke. To why the new system is working. I see alot of people avoiding the answer.

If you have a good reason why you think the way you do please say so. But if all you can do is keep saying its broke and thats it please understand no one else will listen to you on here.

I'm trying to find out why people like the new pvp system when others that I have played with for years now all think its broke the way it is now.

If your not a real pvper I guess you really have no clue to what I'm asking.

200 million, humm well I got to say free for all, humm wait that would make it a pvp zone lol

Well I find trying to duel in a pvp zone a waste of time. From other players that attack any other name to the npc jumping in. If you want to duel my best advice is goto pocket d and set it up. Yes that might mean time wasted haveing to change zones and all but it will stop others from jumping in. I'm sorry there is no real fix for this in a pvp zone.

Thank You Macskull, I have to say it is nice to see others can see where the issues are and not try to candy coat the whole thing.

I would like these other players to point out where they think the pvp was broken. It is very easy to say it was broken and leave it at that with no more info then that.

But to have to back up that it was broken I have not yet seen. just a bunch of people saying they are having more fun now. Or yet others that say they never pvped before and find this new system better. Well if they never pvped before I see no reason they should think the old pvp system was bad, they might have had fun with the older system.

See your still trying to say that the other system wasn't any good but you give no real good reason. Was it to hard? Was it to fast moving? Please don't try and say it was due to FOTM cause they are still there.

if you was to give some reason why this system seems better to you then might help me to understand your view point but as it is right all I am seeing is people saying its balance now. And well its not. Its worse now.

As far as other not liking pvp that is cause they are not pvpers. No matter what you do you will not get these people to like pvp. As far as getting others to come here from other games that are pvpers I hate to tell you this but it want happen. Cox will need more content then what they have to offer to get people to leave other games.

And lets be real for a moment I have said we could have different levels of pvp zones. have it where people can go that like the new system and one where it was like the old system. It would not be that hard and all would be happy.

I have been in the pvp crowd for a long time. I have done both test and live and I have seen the game get some needed nerfs and some needed buffs to help and try to balance some power sets.

I have played an EM/Regan stalker for over 3 years and have seen the nerf bat more then any other AT. I have taken the nerf rerolled my toon and became the best I could with the way the toon was allowed to be played.

But now all I can see is some people saying that us pvpers are crying and wasting time posting here. But these same people posted here before saying how they couldn't play there so called toons because someone was better than them. They hit to hard, they move to fast.

So the devs then try and make things right. Instead of just fixing some things they went too far and ruined a really good pvp system. Yes there were some toons that needed to be toned down. And yes there was some that needed to be buffed.

IN the end what we got was not a balance system at all. I can build a toon now that will become the FOTM and all that will do is cause them to cry more. The issue is I'm not leaving pvp. I will just find something I know will work within the rules that have been put down. This is not the pvp system we need or want.

Other will say it fine but when you need no skill at all to play then what is the point. Someone else pointed out that they say there is more people pvping now. Well I have to leave victory and goto freedom to find more people in the pvp zone.

It’s funny that freedom being one of the most player heavy severs is the pvp sever. I don't do TF I have played the game from 1-50 and seen all the content that it had to other. So when all was said and done pvp was that last thing I could do and enjoy. Please don't get me wrong I would welcome all to come and pvp and have a fun time. You will need to learn your toon and know how other powers work. PVP is a game of skill just like chess. So if we are to look at it like chess maybe we should have zones with different restrictions.
Cause you would not put a beginning players against a master chest player. You sure would not tell the master it’s not fair you out think the other player so we are going let him have 3 moves to your 1. I hope you can understand the reason this pvp system was good was due to the whole 360 degrees attack. You could be hit from anywhere. But now we are slowed, we are less damage on some toons are heals have been nerfed, yet we are here just asking please give us what we are willing to pay for.

I can see they are happy with it, but I wonder if they have notice the drop off rate of people going into PVP Zones now. There use to be so many people in RV or SC on any given night. Now your lucky if you really can find someone that is not there only for badges. Or Gold sellers farming pill boxes.

Progress is funny at times they think things are better and really it seems to me they don't do much pvp and have no real love for it. I could be wrong thou. I just wish they would ask the people that use that part of the game more what they would like. I mean I don't think they should listen to me about TF or ITF. I wouldn't be the person to ask as I don't really do that part of the game.

I know alot of people don't really care for pvp so this is not for them. PvP was the real reason I use to love this game. No other game really did it for me. I like the movement and different was you could.

The way you have to think fast and be on the move the whole time. Now what I have come back to is a simple rule range pvp is god. I play melee class toons and I can see where range is now very op to the point that it was broken over classes.

The suppression has done no good for us. If you attack you are suppressed. Then there is the part of teleport( which I don't use) is broken in pvp. To me you tried to make pvp so that anyone could step in and play. Never mind the people that has played for years and learned to be good. You say you try and make it so that all are happy. Well alot of us PVPers are not so happy with what you have done.

I know lots of people will say to stop crying over change and to deal with it. I have read many post and have seen some real good thoughts on how to go about and fix pvp, but it does seem that only the people making the loudest noise are getting to the dev's. Now maybe that cause we(PVPERS) have set by and let things go. You nerf us we change and deal with it. So someone comes in pvp gets beat and then gets on here and crys about it and then other cry as well how hard pvp is. Well all I can say is that I wish you would put pvp back the way it was before I13.