DarkArchitect

No offense taken Jack, whether you take me seriously or not doesn't affect me much. I never stated my belief or interpretation as golden, just what I am under the belief is the most widely accepted as opposed to one of the later adapted fringe translations. If you believe you can't "correct" mythology then you should tell the vatican theologians they are out of a job, as their existence is purely to read and re-read translations to determine accurate translations and then make alterations to such, thus determining Vatican Law. It's very similar to what our Congress does in fact by trying to determine what was intended and what was not purely upon speculation, in the constitution a document written by people they have never met or known. Or perhaps the scientists who still debate over theories of gravity and Evolution and things even far more widely accepted. These are non-absolutes that are "corrected" and "restated" even though they have no tangible proof of reality to be based upon in the first place. So the idea that one cannot correct something in incorrect, because to do so is our very human nature, especially that of an analytical or logical mind.

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Now, was this part of the "original" version of these beings or was it a lator revalorization? What is your source for your conclusion? Note that by "later" I do not mean "added by Christians". Contrary to your claims, myths DID change LONG BEFORE Christianity came onto the scene. Look at the evolution of Egyptian thought over the millenia.

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no, no, I meant later as in later in time. there's no real idea of how much time supposedly passed between when the titans existed and when mankind started to form and flourish and when the legend of the thetan prince occured. Could of been 20 years, could of been 20,000 years. The change to female happened once Athena convinced them to have mercy thus changing their being.

also just for the feeder fish in me, is there any hints or info you can give about the implementation and background of any of the long since mentioned Epic ATs that are supposed to be coming? (IE- Corolax, Avian, Blood, Incarnates, etc)

Considering you are the one in charge of fiction and storylines, when do you think (if ever) we will get far more in depth origin or AT based story arcs, similar to what we see with the Khelds?

Or at least customized or special missions that require or focus around special powers or needs, have reactive enviornments, etc. Like if I'm playing an Ice blaster and I'm surrounded by fire then I either want that blaster to be doing less damage or feel weakened by the fire until he puts all the fires out using his power. Or if a building is burning, and left to burn it starts to collapse. Random overhanging wires that do electrical damage, or floors collapsing doing smashing/fall damage, boobytrapped rooms where explosions or such will go off without notice, heck even a random map generator so that way doing similar missions will never look or feel the same. Finding out that every door mish from atlas to founders feels and looks the same was rather disapointing as time progressed.

Jackie boy,

If you read carefully you'll notice I even corrected some of what pantheon wrote. Secondly it is more for saving time in the long drawn out nature of re-writing things than anything else. Pantheon is not a end all, meet all but it is checked and edited by historians as new updates are given.

Two other quick points though:

1) to state that nothing prior to roman catholic institution of their own myths as facts with the creation of AD/BC can be factually traced back is absolutely false. Known texts can be traced as far back as the sumerians, the first known civilization known to exist thousands of years before christ

2) I never stated the furies were male, I stated they were asexual or sexless. That it wasn't until a later time when the female spirit inside of that beast came out.

And I won't sit here and state that what I am saying is absolute just that what I am writing is the most widely accepted version of the stories, without a time machine no one will ever know an absolute to the past.

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There's no such thing as real mythology. There is no one perfect origin for any myth, which is why there are so many different accounts of a singular even. There are a couple of different accounts of Cronus battling his father, for instance.

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This is correct and incorrect in the same statement. By real mythology I meant the earliest known account found in writing, over time those legends were found rewritten and likely reconstructed, but the greeks as a whole kept things very accurate even over generations of time as it was considered an honor to hold onto such stories. It wasn't really until the translators came into play and such stories started getting re-written in latin and then eventually french and then English that the biggest confusions came and seperate "takes" on stories started.

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In one version, Cronus didn't kill Uranus, he castrated him with a scythe Gaia made for him, which is what he uses in his second incarnation as Chronos. The blood created the Nymphs and Furies and his genitals created Aphrodite (in various alternate myths about her creation).

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Actually this was a different story altogether, and doesn't negate the other story. It is a prior event altogether and that story is slightly different.

Uranus was aghast by the sight of his offspring, the Cyclopes and the Hecatoncheires and was frightened of their great strength and power and feared for his own life so he hid them away in Tartarus (the bowels of the earth) inside Gaia, causing her intense pain. The discomfort became so great that she asked her youngest son, Cronus, to castrate his father, as this would cease his fertility and put an end to more monstrous offspring. To accomplish this deed Gaia made an adamantine sickle, which she gave to Cronus. That night Uranus came to lay with Gaia. And as the sky god drew close, Cronus struck with the sickle and cut off Uranus's genitals. From the blood that fell from the open wound were born the Giants and the Meliae (Nymphs of the manna ash trees)then when Cronus threw the severed genitals into the sea a white foam appeared. From this foam Aphrodite the goddess of love and desire was born.

It was after this that he used the sickle to then stab into the chest of the angered Uranus, and let loose the fatal blood across the Gaia. The blood which fell from the blow gave birth to the Erinyes (Furies), at which point Cronus realized what he had done and threw the sickle into the sea and the island of Corfu, home of the Phaeacians, sprang up.

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And the Furies are most commonly portrayed as women because of the common theme in all mythology of the "powerful female trinity" seen in the Moirae of Greek mythology, the Manant of Arabian mythology, and the three aspects of Brigid in Celtic mythology. The Greeks empowered females in their mythology with a role higher than just fertility and love. They were in charge of Fate and Justice.

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Again, this isn't quite correct. The greeks did empower women indeed, but it had nothing to do with celtic myths it moreso had to do with early christian delegations against certain ideas in writing. One of the main ones being transformation after death into another creature which was this case. The other two being that Furies became the embodiement of a female roman god, and that the Erinyes became the Eumenides after justice was seen in the world and they shed their monster shells.

The Erinyes, or the Furies, were the asexual horrid monster creatures I mentioned before created due to the horrible in family murders and betrayal and they woud stay this way till justice was served in the world, which would only further fuel their anger and rage.

The legend is that the Furies roamed the earth dealing out justice among the earth and at one point came into a relentless pursuit of the Theban prince Orestes for the murder of his mother, Queen Clytemnestra. Orestes had been told by Apollo to find the killer of his father, King Agamemnon, whom Clytemnestra had murdered. The Furies, heedless of his motives, tormented him until Orestes pleaded to Athena, who persuaded the avenging goddesses accept Orestes' plea that he had been cleansed of his guilt. When they were thus to show mercy, their outer creature died and they clawed themselves out from the belly of the beasts and went from being the Furies of frightful appearance into the Eumenides, meaning "kind-hearted", the three beautiful woman.

You most often see this misconception in ways like them showing the women to have snakes for hair or fur and wings in a more female form, as opposed to the more accurate interpretation.

Again, not trying to nitpick but I am a huge follower of greek history and mythology, so I sort of feel the need to clean up misconceptions.

Well if they are staying true to the REAL mythology of the Furies then this could of told us ALOT more then most might realize.

First off, the furies were not WOMEN, this was a particular misconception that was furthered by Bourguereau painting of Orestes. This was simply because first off the idea of man on man or man on beast sexual tension was beyond taboo to the "modern world" but the greeks were often very full of such stories. So in their translations into english they often became Women. I could go on and on about this as greek history is a passion of mine, but no one else here would care. haha.

BUT on to the Furies. In actual myth, The Furies had snakes for hair, gaping wounds dripping blood from where their eyes should be (the were blind as the greeks always believed justice should be) they also had bats' wings and dogs' heads. They were also asexual, thus not being male or female. It was not until justice was met that they became the Eumenides, the kind hearted, gentle female spirits.

How they were created? When Cronus killed Uranus, his blood fell on Gaia and created the Furies. This fallen blood supposedly made a mystic lake/pond, so this is likely what they are using for the idea behind the well of furies.

They also were not all similar, There were three Furies as avenging deities. Their names were Tisiphone (the avenger of murder) <the third yet to be named party in this game, just wait and see>, Megaera (the jealous one)<Recluse seemed mighty jealous, no?>, and Alecto (unceasing in anger)<Statesman anyone?>.

They were persecutors of men and women who committed parricide, killed a sibling (perhaps a SISTER), or murdered a fellow clansman.

Recluse claimed he was betrayed. States seems to have an inner guilt. My synopsis, States was engaged to Monica (stephan's sister) and in choosing his life as a hero, she was killed by an enemy of his. Recluse blames States for his sisters death, and States guilt keeps him fighting evil to make up for it. That part of the story is up for debate, but the background of the actual Furies I think does release a LOT of background information from what I've seen of the characters so far.