DR_Death_EU

Yea, most explainations posted are correct.. as a really experienced player i can agree with some flaws of the teaming part. i never played CoH-EU, but was playing on US servers, and there u could get a team 24/7 lvl 1-15 and the 2 main reasons is:
- ATs more depending on teams (júst as siad perv. in other posts here)
- US servers has as many ppl online during low-time as CoV has during High-time. usually i dont make teams, coz of:
- I hate incompetent team-mates, that are unwilling to learn the game
- there not enough players to select from. most often there is only 4 brutes in lvl range and none is interested in a team.

my suggestion to help players that really like to team with good, experienced player, is to seek out established VGs and join them. most VGs i know (including my own) puts alot of energy and effort in trying to include SG-members in teams. My reason for coalitions (not every1s tho) is to increase the team-poss.. we include our coalition members to our teams, just as we do our own SG members, and this way usually end up with teams at any lvl.

well, if it makes any diff, i can tell u that a huge base is impossible to move rooms in... mostly cos decorations also plays a messy part in relocating rooms.. and sometimes even when there is no logical explanations, u still cant place the room as u whish.. i have a transport room i cant move, to any other location, since the editor refuse to accept it, for unknown reason (not chain-continuity/doorways/object-obstruction) so just get use to it =)

well, this is pure speculations, so do NOT take this statements as facts or reliable info, ty

according to rumours, 8th of april will be the release date of i2 (CoH i7) and i know ill be showing my head into the grindstone and struggling to reach 50 and explore all new fetures at the 9th. so u might wanna postpone this event a bit, or u risk standing alone in the arena, since every1 else is enjoying all new fetures of the game =)

again i must say this is based on rumours, and i will not take any responsibility regarding the 'real' release date of i2. 1st rumour said february, so info isnt always reliable... just wanted to give u a heads-up, so not all that planning, organizing, will go to waste

eh.. why not make it the hard way as the rest of us? no1 gave me any help, or any donations... and even today my bank-note is more or less a joke.. though.. i made 1.7 mill prestige and i run the strongest VG on union... plus.. we are villains.. if ur looking for wellfair, im sure thats avaible in Paragon City.. with the helping heroes.. in this part of the world, we rob old ladies for money to pay for our addiction (to CoV)

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as u can c by the ranks we are only 300k behind violators.

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I guess math wasnt your major then, Zanku...

12th of march
#4) Violators; 13,884 mill pres
#7) Order of Reckoning; 10,059 mill pres

looks more like 3 mill to me, than 300k.. keep grinding lil ones, and one day u'll grow up and will be as tall, handsome, and strong as us... here take a lollipop

Well, As always Violators came to stand and had a fantastic team going. Total success in claiming Sirens (also lost 80k debt doing it lol) good work by all villains fighting!

7 months? i started playing CoH in Nov. 2004 on US-servers so its a bit few more than 7 =)

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WOOT.

Got me my 2nd lv 40

Have to thank some great teams as the xp really piled in today (got over 8 bars in one sitting).

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well, gratz, lil one.. i have tought u well got my 4th today

yea.. but thtats what i said from the start =P i have 1 of all heroes at 50 as well, and i dont suck on any.. nor do i suck on any of my lvl 40 villains.. i was just saying that ur bound to be slightly better with one set/AT then u will on the rest, coz it will fit ur personality =)

ok, i have to excuse myself on the thorn topic me dont speek englich very guud, im european lol

and regarding other response:

extreme in the amount of hours played... i cant give exact numbers but a good estimate would be 5000 hours in CoX.

And sure, good players will adapt to the AT and powers, but i dont belive u can say that profC or Syn is equally strong on all their toons. if so, im up for the challange... i bet my CoH account that i can beat one of theese toons with my Villain. And it wont be becuase of the power-sets itself, but depending on how good he uses them

Updated member-list:

Violators - @.Dr Death
The Machines - @Mechanist
Pirates of the Apocalypse - @Man of Shadows
The Fallen Phoenix's - @Dr Infernum
Hellraiders - @Hellraider
BloodLine - @Kinslayer
Legue of extrodinary mentalmen - @Novabrand
E.V.I.L. - @Max Powerz
Amazing Maniacs - @Glenny Starfighter
Knights of Injustice - @Malediction
Order of Reckoning - @Zanku
Super Villains Inc. - @Lost Samurai
Dark Lords of the Underworld - @Dark Bru
The Horde - @Ronin
Spirits of Vengefull Demons - @Cold Spark
Corrosion Rangers - @X Feather
Rogue Syndicate - @Moon
Knight walkers of the Apocalypse - @Seriphimus
Syndicate - @Salacious
Fiend Re-United - @Lord Blade

we got one of thoose.. DevilRose lvl 40 plant/thorn Dom ;P
Violators FTW!!

how about i light up ur day and challange u guys to a raid this weekend??

actually, this is more truethfull than u could imagine.. after extreme experience of this game i can only tell u one thing: playing an AT is connected to ur individual personality, and only by testing them all, u will find what u like the most. in most cases ppl have 1 AT they can outplay every1 else in, but suck in the others.. i.e. a person that is awesome as a cor, can have real problems doing good with his brute, and some1 who play a brute as if it was a god, might die all the time on his stalker... its not realy the powers that determine if u become a good character, but how ur personality fits in with the tactical game-play of a specific powerset-combo.

well, i hosted the 1st PvP-event, Zanku the 2nd.. its hell to organize... lol.. the best way to deal with it if more ppl decides to join in is to have every SG-leader organize their own SG... this would require that all SG-leaders had a orderly meeting with clear directives and complete plan, prior to the event... let us set a date for a meeting (or just send mail to eachothers with clear descriptions and simple info) so we can plan the next event, sometime at the end of this month?

and regarding kicking our private parts... GL! maybe the Horde wanna come by our base for a cup of tea this weekend?

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well, speaking as interim Dictator for DoVS, while generally i'd love to partake in such fun PvP violence, it would just be me turning up, which wouldnt fare so well against everyo elses 16 now would it? ;p

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actually we had teams of 8, but it suprises me that the 8th richest SG cant gather up 8 ppl for a fun event...... actually it dont lol.. i know its hard to get ppl to show interest in SG-events adn PvP. its just rescently our SG has started to get good interest in PvP, prolly due to the fact of our success has worked as a motivator for others to enjoy the fun. if we would have the same problems as OoR to win in PvP, intrest in it would die fast and ppl would prefer doing missions and getting XP instead.... btw we barely made it to show up with 8ppl.. perhaps 6 would be better and easier for smaller SGs to join in as well? even though in the big SGs that would ofcourse forcing us to reject memebrs that show intrest, and that cant be good either.. hmmm...

ok, soo much theoretical numbers.. here is a good fact, based on a very active player (let me just say i got 10 lvl 50 heroes and 3 lvl 40 villians and many, many alts with various lvls.. and all this in 14 months)

i make on a lvl 30+ char when im doing the regular grind, somewhere between 900-1000 prestige per mission. 1 mission takes 8-12 min depending on lvl-spawns and map-size. this will mount up to 5k/hour including minor afks such as bio and smokes (and slapping the kidz around) I play every day (no exceptions) though my effective game-time varys coz of base-building, recruiting, TFs, and mood..

in 124 days that i have been earning prestige, i made 1.52 mill prestige. as characters earn aprox half the amount of pres lvl 1-20 compared to lvl 30-40 per kill and kill-rate increases to atleast the double, alot of pres is lost on numerous alts the never reached higher than lvl 20 (in this case 6 alts lower than 20) and 4 chars that has been taken above this lvls up to 30+. the aprox amount of pres made lvl 25-40 is 300k (if u play as i do) and will take 3 weeks. this resulting in 1 player playing only for prestige with higher lvl-chars can easy make 100k/week

to be honest, there is no way u can run a SG with 75 active players, though 50 would be a great achievment (we are currently the strongest growing SG and have an avarage of 40-50 active chars/day. some of theese are alts, and in a perfect SG it wouldnt.)
50 players with tha same intensity as myself would earn:
50*100k = 5M every week. or 20-25M / month

through alll the gaming ive done in CoX i met only a few ppl motivated enough to keep my pace, but none for the same duration of time as me. ppl in general grow tired of the repeatedly lvling and grinding same story-arcs and same boring maps within 3-4 months.

The only way possible imo would be to PL for prestige. but since ED and all the PL-nerfs, i doubt you would be able to do much more than 100M/week in an all-PL-SG and that dont count for the extreme boredome and frustration PL creates.

btw, u dont make twice pres when EX'd, but if a lvl 30+ with all SOs would EX to lvl -12 he would do 2-3 times as fast kill-rate thus resulting in twice the pres/hour when EX'd but not pres/kill

Violators FTW!!

Again we prove ourselves as the dominant VG on union!! you should all be payingn us a tribute every month for our protection against the law(?) lol

seriusly.. great fun and i hope we can do it again.. too bad not more SGs showed up.. where was the machines? or DoVS? u guys really gonna let the trophy go to us? we already beaten u at the pres-race.. dont let us take u in PvP too lol..

I take a bow. AoW are a stronger PvP-SG than us but i have no doubt we will take u once we get our PvP-toon up to lvl. we are still in CoV's youth and havent fully learned all the pro's and con's of our power-sets. And yes, imo stalkers do suck.. but not as much in PvP as in PvE where they are totally useless many times. this is why we only have 4 stalkers in our VG lol.

And dont worry about my pride, ive been playing the US-servers for a year, where ppl PL special PvP-toons and PL trade for HOs, and i can tell u... facing a dark/dark defender with 48 HOs will make u pee ur pants.. no matter what AT or powers u use, or skill u possess... but we will be back, stronger, more vicius and with a vengeance.. in the meanwhile.. we will gladly express our frustration from AoW against any other hero-SG... fact remains that Villains are too weak for us atm and we want challanging raids.. send me a tell plz (@.Dr Death)

wow, just as suspected... heroes are all talk and no action... The much more stronger Hero-SGs would own most villains, and yet they failed to come up with 1 single contender for their own pride and respect. I luagh at ur puny heroes and ur silly HO's... u might have the statistical strength, but ur players are weak and cowardly.. as a great man said:

"only the good die young, all the evil seem to live forever!"

interesting math... though i wonder....... Violators VG is the strongest growing SG amongst the top 10 (and prolly more) ive been taking stats on the prestige in the top SGs since it was enabled, and a few questions come to mind as well. based on what we earned for the last 2 months (58 days) i made a good calculation on what a leading SG earns for real, with the variables of life, such as ppl leaving, getting bored, reaching 40 and more.. we made 92k pres per day with an avarage of 40 active toons (daily players) of course an SG with 75 active toons would earn up to 200k/day but.... if u lead an SG u know the probability of having 75 daily active toons lol.. its like 0,0000001% the last 2 weeks our numbers show more than 30-40k more per day, but this is a long time stats and is more reliable when it comes to possibility of achievment.

this in mind, u'd say 'impossible' but Circle of Tarot (#1 SG on Unoin) had a total sum of 32 million pres after 2 months of Live-play. (This however looks like a major bug or similar though) if this is correct, it means they have earned 16 mill/month and would earn 192 mill/year.. sounds acceptable, then again.. something is wrong with the top 3 SGs on Union, since they arent earning any pres (cept for CoT that earns aprox 1k/week nowdays) my best guess is that this have been hero-SGs that took a massive amount of lvl 50s and all chipped in to buy prestige and made some Drek farming to boos pres as well, but grew tired of it, since during the 1st 2 months, nothing base-like had any real function.

I totally agree that 3 years is too long to achieve the strongest base possible. A good market strategy from NCSoft should be to have goals wthin reach so that dumb subscribers like us, actually would try. the main reason for why the bases gets to expensive in the long run, is the secure plots. As a very wealthy VG, the prices we are looking at in the beginning seem fair and joust. we have a massive base and alot of equipment, but looking past the 1st year, the base gets to expensive even for us, since we wont be able to by the secure plots. and no SG can stay motivated with earning pres when they have to save up for 4 months just be able to buy the smallest secure plot. perhaps a fix that would remove the secure plots all together and make the 4 largets hideouts auto-secure instead would be a good way to go.

yea, we killed AND spawned Caleb last night =)

GMs dont have any 'real' lvl anymore.. just as mentioned they have a 'fighting'-lvl of +5. the lower-lvl thing is not really correct.. every character at any lvl do (or take)a percentage of dmg which is the same lvl 1 or 50. THOUGH a lvl 1 has no SOs, powers or slots which makes a huge difference, lol... If u go back 1 year in time (just as SoH went live in EU) GMs had lvls and it was stupid, since my lvl 33 (he was 33 by that time lol) defender would go to Hollows and kill WinterLords solo...

hihi.. actually we done CoP live.. dont ask me how.. but it was on live servers in december for unknown reason. Never heard of any1 else doing it, so it was prolly a temp-bug... really too bad we didnt succeded lol... and yea.. fun being lvl 40 villain against lvl 50 heroes ;P btw, that reminds me.. all Heroes might wanna wait with spawning of pets till the raid actually starts, cos pets dont get exemped and will be lvl 50 during the raid.

for some time i suspected that myself, but we are at 80% or so now, so it is increasing.. remember its alot of HP u have to heal, and u need alot of healers working on it.. we have 21 corruptors and the last months it has been rewarding about 15%/month

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Iirc the base reclaimators were made not to work in a base raid anyway. If they do work and I'm wrong, then Im happy


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WEll, to be honest, i never died in an instant raid when defending so far, and i dont plan to either lol.. though i know in a recent raid we did, the attackers destroyd the reclaim's and some lowbies got sad that they had to rez at hosp