Chyll
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Quote:Originally Posted by Forbin_Project
Now all we need is for the devs to release a Native American Themed set and a Construction Worker set.
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Macho, macho troll (macho troll)
I've got to be, a macho troll
Macho, macho troll
I've got to be a macho!
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Quote:Outstanding costume.Originally Posted by warden_de_dios
Now, to be fair, it didn't take much from the gunslinger set to make, but just outstanding work. -
Quote:Fair enough.Originally Posted by Siolfir
The posts I was trying to rebut with the image were mostly about how people can't make reasonable gunslinger outfits for women because of what's in the pack. Some of the items could work, most of them don't - but that has no bearing on the fact that it's optional and the amount of anger over it seemed a bit excessive.
Speaking for myself, it was aggressive disappointment rather than anger. I made a female DP the day the set came out and I've been making variations of tech armored, solider, and an evening out outfit, holding a costume slot for the gunslinger someday. I went and filled that slot today with another armored tech look.
I have a male DP parked somewhere, he isn't getting anything out of the pack either. I am that disappointed with this output. I'll save my points for something else.
On the plus side, I am hopeful for future sets based on Zwill's comments. -
I have been largely satisfied by Zwill's response, and other than some tangents have only been following along. However,
Quote:The sample costume is a fine approximation. You can also make one just as good for the male costume without the pack. I don't recall the specific post, but I would concur that it isn't 'impossible', but if it was a comment on making something more 'authentic' as female gunslinger, then the intent of their statement may have been valid. Otherwise, then even the male options in the current pack are completely superfluous as clearly, we already had all the options we needed.Originally Posted by Siolfir
The point of the costume I posted is that you don't have to buy it and you can still make a gunslinger outfit like the one shown - something that several pages back was claimed as impossible. If that makes the entire pack pointless to you, then congratulations - you get to save points. If you like the pieces, buy them. If you don't, don't. But a large number of the complaints are "I want to make <this> and this pack doesn't let me" when you already can without the pack, mixed in with comments about how "sexy costumes are ruining the game!" -
Quote:You are right. It isn't censorship, per se.Originally Posted by Daimyo_Shi
POST REMOVAL ON FACEBOOK IS NOT CENSORSHIP. it is a controlled space run by the Game Company it is in my best interest to keep that as no confrontational as possible. If Facebook took that down from your own wall then you "might" have some kind of theory case [since you signed a agreement to obey facebook's rules, you would in the end have no case.
But it is social networking. Trying to limit the commentary of those that you have given social access to could very well be worse for your image than the negative feedback.
It becomes worse when so many comments were deleted, that remaining comments referencing the now deleted comments are confusing, and you then post a response to the comments that are now gone.... -
Quote:He may be over-reacting, and you are right it isn't a wiki, but the fact that someone made the distinct effort to remove a simple informative statement (taking Techbot at his word) is still just a bit... well, not what I would have expected from Paragon until lately.Originally Posted by Arcanaville
I think you're overreacting. The Facebook page is basically a marketing outlet, not a place to exercise your right to free assembly. Its not a wiki.
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Quote:Really?Originally Posted by Golden Girl
The Rogue PPD are all male, and the majority of the Longbow ones who become vigilantes are men
All the female longbow I punched in the face on my Hero alignment mission today have their feelings hurt by your lies.
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Quote:That's... disturbing.Originally Posted by Techbot Alpha
Wow, I posted on the CoH Facebook post about the fact that 'Gunslinger' kit is only available on male/huge, and that women get the saloon girl kit. Included a link to this thread, nothing rude or offensive just a statement of facts.
A few minutes later the post is gone.
/golfclap
Lying is BAD, marketing team! I shouldn't be doing your job for you and telling potential paying customers what they are actually buying and not getting! -
Quote:And they commit crime.Originally Posted by Golden Girl
Longbow and the PPD both have female members
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Quote:Thank you for the response and feedback.Originally Posted by Zwillinger
We've been closely following your feedback regarding this topic, both here and on the Beta forums. Unfortunately Cheryl, the artist who worked primarily on the Gunslinger Character Modelling, has been extremely pressed for time creating new costume sets and as such hasn't been able to post directly on the beta feedback thread. That being said, the feedback and concerns expressed have been communicated to the art and production team.
To address a few points
We've been trying to add unique and different costume pieces for female options for the sake of overall variety, however I understand some of the concerns being expressed here, as does the rest of the Art and Production team. Moving forward, where possible, we will be making more gender neutral/male pieces created for females so as to more accurately reflect the Communities requests. Because each costume piece has to be individually created (we can't CTRL+C, CTRL+V the pieces from male to female unfortunately), this does mean that we will be offering less overall unique options, however we feel it's important to address this concern.
If anyone took offense to our artistic choices, I apologize. It's not our intent to offend anyone.
Regarding the pretinting of costume pieces: While pretinted pieces give the artists the ability to provide some very unique materials and add more visual interest to select pieces, we dont want to limit your creativity, either. Moving forward, we'll be offering both a pretinted and untinted option for all pieces which we choose to make pretinted.
Thanks
-Z
I applaud that there is a plan to "straighten out the costume rudder", as it were.
I will not expand on any additional feedback re: your comments, I think others have expressed them adequately. -
Quote:You are misinterpreting then.Originally Posted by Daimyo_Shi
Please note that Dressing Sexy doesn't make women sluts automatically I I think very much that is the tone most of the Anti-sexy posters are having here. Not to detract from their over all point that is valid but let us not heap on other stereo types while fining against one.
Many of the posters have said, repeatedly, they are perfectly happy to dress their characters sexy and do so.
We wanted legitimate gunslinger options in the gunslinger set, not just refashioned sexy bits from the last couple of sets. -
Quote:No one said 'give me bulky man clothes 'cause I want to look like a blob'. Many of the same posters said, I have plenty of sexy/skimpy outfits.Originally Posted by McCharraigin
Hi Chyll...Hyperbole? I just said what I got out of reading this thread. The players want to dress their female toons in the same outfits that they dress their men toons. From what I understand, we want lots and lots of heavy baron jackets and coats...which are very unshapely.
Sigh. I am sorry if I misunderstood, but I don't see sluttyness anywhere on the female gunslinger outfit my toon is presently wearing. If I knew how, I would post a screenshot....I agree it is not a gunslingin' outfit, but it does not deserve all this hatred.
Hate the artists for not giving us man clothing for our females..don't hate the outfit.
Lisa.
The predominate tone of the thread is - summarizing "Devs you called it gunslinger. It is, instead, gunslinger and prostitute (that is, indeed the commonly recognized outfit of a 1880s old west saloon girl). I don't need three sets of corsets, puffy sleeves, and dainty curls."
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Quote:Who said that, Hyperbole Lisa?Originally Posted by McCharraigin
Sexy Jay, if you are reading this, I fear that your audience wants to dress their female toons like men...the less shapely the better.
Speaking for myself, I said Gunslinger? Cool, I'll drop some chaps on my girl with a hat and trenchcoat and... no? OK, I'll pull on my old west jacket or vest and.... nope. Nothing in these is unshapely. I could happily hunt down and link several samples to nix that silly attitude, but I'd likely get modded.
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Quote:That's fine, as far as I can recall, I've never seen you to have a healthy piece of constructive criticism or complaint directed back at the game anyway. So, I'd have expected nothing less.Originally Posted by Golden Girl
I'll buy it
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As to the issue of having to make double parts of the women...
Why did we need two gloves (which really look a bit out of place with the rest of the Gunslinger & Prostitute set, btw)? Make one set of gloves and instead make second option for the legs - chaps for instance. Or pantaloons. Something.
Just review what all the elements are and make reasonable trade offs instead of the lazy approach currently in vogue. -
Quote:Agreed. Completely.Originally Posted by Lothic
Yes and as I pointed out a couple of posts ago there will always be a handful of people who'd abuse it and those people will simply get reported like anyone else who does stuff the mods don't like. There would be no "DOOOOM" over this - a few people would go wild with it for a week then it would pass just like everything else does. *shrugs*
I was just pointing out that the problem isn't the 'look' per se. -
Quote:To be really fair, how they look isn't the problem, as far as I can tell.Originally Posted by Lothic
To be clear I actually don't have much problem with the "sexy" being in this game. Clearly the Devs don't either at least as far as player costume items go. That's why it makes things that much more ironically silly when the Devs decide to stick to the excuse that things like MM female pets would be "crossing the line". I think the Devs have already established that they really have no problem crossing that line already.
What players will 'do' (or pretend to do) with sexy MMs is more likely the issue. -
Quote:No.Originally Posted by Frostbiter
Do females get the cowboy hat?
Or rather, there is no "cowboy hate" in the set. -
Quote:OP. That much thigh in the period would be scandalous.Originally Posted by ShadowMoka
I don't recall the gunslinger outfit showing much skin o_o;. Could I get a picture to show this?
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Quote:Sadly, if you are, it is by our own Dev team.Originally Posted by Victorious
Horns on a gun? I feel like I'm being trolled.
What happened to the joy of being able to mix and match pieces. I'd love to have these guns for tech outfits, or a cool Bond/action guy or.... nope, horns. Goes with the Texas Roadhouse character or none. bleh. -
Quote:Originally Posted by Tymers_Realm
But you have to admit there is a segment of the playerbase that does like more Sexy, for lack of a better term, attire for Female characters.The point remains - not every set needs to be unbalanced.Quote:Originally Posted by Grae Knight
I don't see any issues with it. They are costumes representing dress of those periods in time. Sure there are exceptions to the rule but you can only incorporate so many pieces in one set. If the female version got all the male pieces you would have players complaining about not having the female only pieces.
And, I imagine they could have found a "tough but sexy" rather than find the period pieces associated with saloon hall girls - a rather socially unsavory option to choose, fwiw... -
You know, I saw the initial Gunslinger conversations and I didn't care much about the male/female differences until I was in the market looking at what the guys got that my female characters would be more likely to wear and couldn't have. And now I see this pic example, and that is exactly what I experienced as I looked at the market. I wanted chaps and 'gunslinger' for my dual pistol girl. She is not Sally Mae Saloon. If I wanted her to look like a tart, we already have plenty of options for that.
But I refused to get down about it because I knew there was a pistol with a blade on it, and that is what I wanted - even if I didn't get anything else in the set.... and it has frakkin' stupid horns on it! There are stupid steer horns coming out of cool bladed pistol! I cannot use that for anything.
Did not buy it. Did not buy any of it. First pack I will skip entirely. -
Quote:You know what? I'm not either.Originally Posted by Techbot Alpha
I am not impressed.
I am REALLY not smegging impressed. That just about does it...
I didn't care much about the male/female differences until I was in the market looking at what the guys got that my female characters would be more likely to wear and couldn't have. But I refused to get down about it because I knew there was a pistol with a blade on it, and that is what I wanted - even if I didn't get anything else in the set.... and it has frakkin' stupid horns on it! There are stupid steer-like horns coming out of cool bladed pistol! I cannot use that for anything.
Did not buy it. did not buy any of it. sad now, first pack I will skip entirely. -
Quote:Jessica Alba looks good in chaps.Originally Posted by PSLAnimal
Fail. We need a summonable Scarlett Johanssen and the /e lapdance emote.
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Quote:No, I don't think it does.Originally Posted by Ultimus
Thats great but I am talking about top end performance. This game now has an end game that has to be balanced just like the beginning game.
At top ends of incarnate, I expect all AT performance to continue to move towards a common point. Balancing across ATs appears, to me at least, to be a moot point at 50+.
Keeping balance 1-50, however, absolutely a valid requirement.