Cherry_EU

This was considered and as they haven't been announced yet I cant say that, for example, winning may not be the only way to win prizes.

Yes I read it, but it assumes everyone is entering with exactly the same custom built toons with no room for people using randoms for fun, and on the flip side I'm sure just such a cookie cutter team for any level you could mention could be suggested (at 50 psi blasters would become fire probably e.t.c.

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The issues I see with level 40 instead of level 50

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[1]Certain ATs will be disadvantaged by the level drop. - Certain ATs will be disadvantaged at level 50 anyway.
[2]All the serious players will respec their builds and buy appropriate level IOs - At level 50 casual players that have worked for their IOs need not put in all the extra effort and still have a chance of their characters being on par with more enthusiastic players
[3]There are less powers at level 40 and its not very reflective of the skill on the servers at this moment in time - Closest its too is Warburg and alot of players who play in zones aren't interested in the arena.[/list]
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I'll address these as they are all things we considered.
1. on the nose 40 limits some AT's effectiveness as does 50 so a draw.
2. A level 50 casual player would probably be just as disadvantaged fighting a serious players build at level 50 as they would at level 40, so again a draw,
3. The competition is not aimed at one type of pvper (arena, zonal e.t.c) or type of player as such it was felt level 40 provides as level a playing field for non-pvpers, zonal pvpers, dualer's, teams e.t.c as possible and may result in less of a "culture shock" for those new to pvp, and the loss of 10 levels would not effect those experienced in arena pvp who could probably transition easier then any other group, and those zonal pvp'ers would probably already be used to pvping without certain powers. So slightly in 40's favor.

So weighting just those 3 things up tends towards 40 being a happy medium, be aware this was not the only level considered, everything from bantamweight upto level 50 was considered and 40 was felt to be the happiest compromise.

1 level is preferable for the reasons mentioned these suggestions are at this time just that to see if a reasonable compromise can be reached between the 2 disparate opinions.

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I may not have been as clear as i'd hoped but if the 2 captains could not agree then a quick 3 round rock paper scissors fight could take place with the victor (2-1 or 3-0) picking the fight level.

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But lv 40 and lv 50 builds are totally different... at least for me they are... this seems quite a bad idea.

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I agree this is a concern it could be solved by arranging the fight weights a degree of time before hand (days perhaps)

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out of intrest how would players feel about the 40/50 question being open to agreement by the 2 opposing team captains, if an agreement can not be reached a best of 3 r/p/s match with the winning captain picking the level limit?

Or would this create to much of an uneven keel to the contest?

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What you gonna do if they cant agree?

That seems like a recipe for last minute pull outs.

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I may not have been as clear as i'd hoped but if the 2 captains could not agree then a quick 3 round rock paper scissors fight could take place with the victor (2-1 or 3-0) picking the fight level.

This is one possible compromise I am intrested in hearing opinions on, another is 2 leagues, a level 40 league and a level 50 "elite league" but this segreates the compition which did not prove successful in s4 (there were several weight classes only 2 went ahead), a further one is having the fights get progessively "tougher" as the competition progesses with early rounds at 40 and later at 50.

out of intrest how would players feel about the 40/50 question being open to agreement by the 2 opposing team captains, if an agreement can not be reached a best of 3 r/p/s match with the winning captain picking the level limit?

Or would this create to much of an uneven keel to the contest?

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Would like to see a poll attached to this thread to see what the majority want, it seems the only real way of deciding 40 or 50.

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I guess the problem with that would be that it's the hardcore pvp:ers are the ones who know for a fact they're going to want to participate.

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If that's that the majority want, then how's that a problem? They wouldn't do this in the house of commons, most votes = win, simple.

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Tell that to Mr Bush

Opinions are fine, it is the reason for this thread, and I'm sure all sensible and constructive comments will be addressed in time, however insinuation that the whole contest is some elaborate scheme of KS's it preposterous, I mean he's a scrapper they aint that bright.

As mentioned several times the level limit is open to discusion and change and since you no longer wish to hear from me I will bow down.

Ignoring the fact I am supposed to be an independant observer of this I will address the issue of impartiality, the impression coming from your posts seems to suggest you think this whole thing is a scheme by KS and as such retribution to "get one over" on vindicate I like to think im friends with some memebers of both SG's, in the intrest of full disclosure I also dislike members of both SG's, but to put it bluntly I'm sorry but get over yourself's your just not that important.

After that comment if it is felt neccesary I will remove myself from all association with the contest.

I dont have time to reply to every post but all the things I've mentioned are parts of the reasono 40 was chosen and not the only reasons so counter them if you wish but please try and do them sensibly so your arguements are not drowned out by lolspeak quote pyramids and general inane banter.

But be aware all of the things mentioned were considered.

The one point I will counter is that of Atism the difference between dom/cont TK and defender TK is that every defender has access to TK through the Psi pool whilst only mind doms/cont's (I'm aware this is a significant number of the PvP'ing population of these AT's) gain access to TK.

As I mentioned the level may be reviewed however one of the reasons it was felt without point fingers at anyone or saying these are invalid tactics, certain 40+ powers are felt to not ruin but remove the fun from PvP, such as blasters/trollers alternating between phase and hibernate on the verge of death, tk even in it current form wastes alot of bf's to be so widely available, focused acc essentially removes one AT from viable play and ruins Debuff's days. These are just examples and are by no means pointing fingers at anyone. team or SG just observations of people that have been PvP'ing (or atleast watching) for a long time.

But once more this is not final and depending on useful feedback may change.

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Considering that VEATS are not allowed in game and epic shields as well basically favor from start teams with psi blasters?

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The note about shields is not a hugely biased one since for example this is how it only effects controllers and defenders on hero side. Defenders who get no fire or ice resistance in epic pools does this give fire and ice blasters and unfair edge? Controllers can get psi def/res but at the cost of fire or ice.
But again see my above post

The parity between the hero and villan epic AT's was decided to be to heavily stacked in the favor of one side (villans being somewhat more useful in pvp) plus having one would mean one of the core 5 wouldnt be allowed in. Meaning for example if a team were concerned about having a certain number of squishys in a team they could instead bring along a squid and have em sit in dwarf form.

As for the fight level thing
"X4 Matches are currently planned to be held at level 40"

It was felt that although the gap is shrinking the difference in usefulness of the ancilary and patron power pools is still to great. But please note the bolded word this may be open to change depending on feed back.

On a third note, since I myself am not entering I will instead be covering the event in a similar style to the way I covered S4 on union that some of you may remember.

Indeed!

Its almost sorted be patient.

Just a note, s4 had a limit on the number of hami-o's allowed per toon on test server fights (i.e. the finals).

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Courtesy of Cherry:

Real blasters use devices - Omega
Stalkers do it from behind - Neutron Starlet

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Might aswell stick my personal moto in there aswell
If at first you dont succeed, flashback.

Vindicate couldn't kill a hellion in a hazard zone without voice chat.

Defiant's blasters couldn't hit the broad side of a titan with power boosted fortitude.

Real blasters use devices - Omega
Stalkers do it from behind - Neutron Starlet

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*pokes thread* I'm going to be doing some talking with Ex Libris today about ... this and that ... and then chat with Knight Stalker when I get back to Brighton about ... this and that.

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/Team Knight Stalker is shocked, attack at will.

Rad defenders, ruining scrappers days since 2005.

What fresh hell is this?

Out of interest, if someone was thinking of holding a PvP event, what would be a good day/days for it?