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Quote:Originally Posted by Techbot Alpha
Oh really?
Because when I had to re-rolled my Invul/EM tanker who was level 50 into Invul/Elec (After the EM nerf basically broke how he felt and played), he doesnt suddenly lose access to all the knowledge he has from getting to level 50. He doesn't suddenly lose his Omega level Clearance from the RWZ.
Another example is my Vanguard Colonel. I can't help it that the game doesnt let you pick VG armour at level 1. Thats a purely OOC fact I have to deal with. He's still a VG Colonel, and all that entails. But theres an OOC and IC detach there.
Yes it is an in game universe thing.
A fact.
A rule.
You may not agree with it OOC, but it is a measuring stick used IC by the in game universe. -
Actually Omy...
Your threat/security level is an IC thing. -
Given the way PVP and sets work Fans, I'd say that the none set version would probably win. Given that I've seen no indication that the alpha slot and beyond, will suppress in PVP, while sets will.
So it'd be Fans with sets (half of which don't work or give half value) vs Fans at full power.
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Though I get what you are trying to imply, the problem is the devs had said that the Incarnate stuff does... well not require you IO up with sets, but that doing so is very, very helpful. -
Quote:Originally Posted by Fanservice
Wrench Wench is likely going to have a lot of fun pointing out the sheer ridiculousness of the term. "It's an 'Incarnate Flamethrower' rather than an improved design? What's the difference? There is no difference? Well shut the **** up then with this Incarnate nonsense."
Think he means more when players get access to their own 'Zeus thunders' and so on, you know room clearing 'WTF mega attacks' that are simply you know, beyond what a normal hero could do.
Take Marvel's Thor he flies and fights with a hammer, lots of heroes can do that, heck lots of street level characters can do that.
But when he busts out the state wide floods, thunderstorms and lightning blasts powers, or rainbow bridge and full Valkyrie back up, complete with Einhenjars and chariot with flying rams pulling it. Then it becomes so not street level. -
Quote:Originally Posted by Techbot Alpha
Yes, having read Shadowe's post it actually makes a lot more sense than other ways it was described. Before it was made out to be...I dunno exactly what, but it made me recoil instinctively.
The 'paragon of the origin' arguement sits MUCH better with me. With that I have no truck.
No truck....truck not monkey?
/facedesk
I think its one of the better explanations that can be given as the source of super powers.
Well its a thousand times better than the X gene anyway. -
Quote:Originally Posted by Techbot Alpha
I think the thing I resent is the 'fact' being pushed that, without the Well, none of the stuff certain characters do would be possible. Like how Alpha would just be a normal robot, or some such junk like that. That is explicitly dictating my character and his actions, and I will continue to call bullshite on that, because its railroading, pure and simple. And I have no truck with that.
It's not rail roading Tech, if its a fact of the game universe, part of the setting, part of the lore.
You play RP in WoW or the WoW PnP you have to accept there is a universal good and evil.
You play a home brew system? You accept the world works how it was created?
You play DnD 3.5? You have to accept that your paladin, can lose his powers if he breaks his vows/faith, you don't like it? Well you can always play 4ed.
I'm trying to put this as inoffensively as I can, but you pay your sub to the devs, you should accept their game/universe/settings. -
Quote:Originally Posted by Dr_Mechano
Complete with hovering and maniacal laughter.
I mean I'm not going to do it but I'm sure someone must be, especially now we have side switching in place.
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Quote:Then why write that Ellie (It might of been her sister actually) melted one in a single attack?Originally Posted by FloatingFatMan
You mean Paladin? One hit, no.. But Paladin is a really weak GM and easy to solo.
It's not something even level 53 (heck even good old 54) Statesman can do after all. -
Quote:Which is how I see the 'web' operating.Originally Posted by Dr_Mechano
Ooh I hadn't thought it like that.
That is actually quite nifty, the power is there it's just less...uber...kind of like the power is seeping out so it doesn't reach the not full blown 'everyone can be awesome' level when open
Miyamoto Mushai was totally a scrapper.
It influences everything the people of CoX Earth do, every inventive thought, every surge of willpower and so on.
So while the box is closed people might invent gun powder or a rifle, but the same person might of built a laser rifle if the box had been opened at the time.
Box is closed some one trains themselves to the point of dominating the MMA ring. box is opened they train themselves to the point where they can punch and kick through steel.
That's just how I read what the devs have given us anyway. -
Quote:Originally Posted by FloatingFatMan
I don't see anyone claiming they're better than the NPC'd incarnates. I don't even see anyone claiming they're better than AV's. You're imagining stuff again.
AV's can't one hit kill a GM FFM, hint, hint. -
Quote:Originally Posted by Dr_Mechano
I will point out that there are a few known heroes that existed before the box opened.
Nemesis is the big one and so far is the most stand out of the 'no known supers' problem.
Giovanna Scaldi was around a couple of hundred years before the well as was Lady Grey apparently.
Though to be fair the history of Giovanna Scaldi points out that back then they weren't considered Super Powered but Blessed by God (and they weren't around in as bigger numbers as they were after the box was opened) so...Nemesis pretty much is the only fly in that ointment, besides if you were around during the Great Inquisition or when Witch Hunting was a legititmate profession...you'd probably do your best to hide powers too so...it still kind of makes sense.
The opening of the box brings about a new age of superheroes ala Greek/Roman times which is when it was last opened and there were a LOT of heroes kicking around (seriously how many Greek heroes are there, heck Jason had a damn boat filled with them).
Personal view on the idea is that with the box unopened, the previous heroes were less 'shiny'.
You get a Robin Hood instead of a Manticore, a Miyamoto Musashi instead of a Dual Blades Tanker/Scrapper/Brute/Stalker, a Doc holiday instead of Maelstrom. -
Quote:He should hang out with a fruit based hero, and have a sort of chummy rivalry going like they did in several comics.Originally Posted by Ammon
You're lucky. Just thinking of it made me actually want to create such a character, just for chuckles.
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Quote:Because we currenly do have a maximum powerlevel that characters can be.Originally Posted by FloatingFatMan
I really don't see why certain people are having such a major spaz over what some other people want to do with their chars.
To be beyond security/threat level 50 you need to explain how suddenly you're better than almost every hero out there and suddenly the same level as Statesman/Reichsman/Recluse/Tyrant. -
Quote:Originally Posted by FloatingFatMan
Since when has anything I've ever done with Ellie, godmodded anyone?
You're just making stuff up, now.
Honestly?
Maybe you are unaware of it but you do it all the time FFM, some one says something about Peacebringers IC, IC Ellie wades in saying how it works, people object OOC, OOC your response is 'Well Ellie should know how her powers work', hence you god mode the entire Kheldian race.
Then of course there is writing yourself into the backstory of a major NPC.
And rewritting how the devs have shown a canon group and several of the NPC's involved in that group, having them act in a totally out of character manner.
Maybe you are unaware that you are doing it, but god moding doesn't just mean typing
/e shoots $target. $target dies. -
Quote:Originally Posted by Techbot Alpha
Just like no Heroes existing before Pandora's box was ope-
Oh, wait...
We just need more clarification from the devs about what makes a Hero? Do they mean costumed crime fighters? Or 'humans' with powers?
Is there as Sister Psyche claims another spieces of 'humans' with psychic powers, called Psionics?
Does each planet in the universe have their own source of potential/power?
Will they explain more as we delve deeper into the incarnate system? -
Quote:Originally Posted by Ammon
Sure, people can fudge with that, just be careful. And don't whinge if it goes wrong. And if it does go wrong, remember that it impacts other players who pay their subs too.
If your character is Desperate Dan, and he goes 'Incarnate' by discovering a recipe for cow-pie, created by great-grandma, and thought lost decades ago, well, that works in a Desperate Dan world. It may be fun and brilliant. Just don't intrude that character forcefully on people in a CoX world without their consent.
Thank you Ammon, this is pretty much what I was trying to get at.
If the devs say something works like so or happens because of this or like this, don't decide that your own personal view overides theirs, if you do then you are in the wrong game. This isn't a PnP game where you are the GM and can write yourself a universe and rules, the rules and universe are written already.
The devs say all the origins are linked to some single source, don't like it? Tough its part of the CoX verse. -
Quote:The answer to that is of course, without the Well being tapped, Alpha wouldn't be a super intellect robot, he'd be the none super version. The internet might not exist in the CoX verse without potential and we'd still be dithering around with WW1 era tech.Originally Posted by Techbot Alpha
No.
No, no, no, a million ****ing NO's.
Leonardo Da Vinci also wasnt a super intellect Robot with nigh unlimited resources, the internet at his fingertips, no need to sleep or eat and a vastly superior technological era complete with alien tech.
Saying 'You can only do that because of the Wells potential' is SO much bull crap I don't even know where to start!
It may be bullcrap in your opinion, but if its how the Devs say the game universe works, well you have to lump it. -
Quote:Originally Posted by Techbot Alpha
Sure. So long as people don;t start harping on that 'Oh, Technology can't do that, it's the Well of Furies!' like its some insta-power thing, then I don't see how we'd have had a problem in the first place.
They get more super powers, I respond with increased armour plating and really BIG guns. Also simples.
From what I understand the whole pandoras box/well of the furies had to do with limiting potential, potentialy Alpha could build a space cannon, but then so potentially could of Leonardo da Vinci, but because the worlds potential was all bottled up he stuck to the painting and designing stuff.
Where as living in a world affected by the free flowing potential, Alpha is able to create things that are incredibly powerful. Likewise when affected by the incarnate status, what might of been a Laser Pistol, becomes a Phasic Tri-state Plasma Incinerator with auto-compensator and self feeding heat sinks.
That's just what I get from how the game describes the origins as being linked. -
Quote:Could set it to bypass the launcher entirely to take you to log in screen, just remember to unset it when its patch day.Originally Posted by Spectral_Ent
Yeah, I've given it a go already, thanks though.
http://paragonwiki.com/wiki/Game_Client
Has the details you need to edit your game shortcut with. -
Quote:When?Originally Posted by Dr_Mechano
Beside CB, since when have you EVER let lore get in the way of what you wanted to do, you tend to ignore it even more than the rest of us
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I try to follow the lore as close as I possibly can, hell I come up with workable reasons for each and everyone of my powers (Those not inherently explained by such things as 'I'm a kheldian/nictus all my powers are explained already.') while working to the constraints of origin and power set. -
Quote:Well you are playing within the dev's frame work.Originally Posted by Techbot Alpha
Because last time I checked, *I* was the one paying my damn sub, not anyone else.
I'm not being told 'Actually, your character works this way, because we say so.' By anyone. They can go right to hell. End of.
Aka you are paying the devs to play in their RP setting with their rules, there are after all alternative settings you could pay your sub to.
Otherwise you are being 'that guy' the one who wants to play the space samurai cyborg ninja, from the year 2XXX in Lord of the Rings, or world of darkness, or any none future cyborg ninja pen and paper game. -
Just a question, which will probably not come out right, but I'll ask it any way.
If the devs say these slots work this way, what gives you the right to break canon and be a special snow flake and say 'actually mine work this way!' ? -
Quote:Originally Posted by Rock_Powerfist
Firstly i dont think any toon should be more powerful than the most powerful game content, when you play LotRO you dont make a "more powerful than the Dark Lord" character.
the game does create a problem for most AT/ power set pairings as they cannot be built to kill AV's ..which means all uberpowered heroes have to be a small range of builds, thius it becomes a pure game mechanic.
Which makes sense given the game canon.
Yes your Illusion/Rad controller isn't stronger or tougher than an AV, but with the right plan and a bit of luck you can take them down by wearing them down as they fight your illusions.
But for others? Well no, no you aren't stronger than Statesman, or Tougher than him, because mechanics wise, you never will be without a team to back you up. -
Quote:Originally Posted by ShadowWings
I sort of use in-game PVE to judge my character.
In the form of how I handle AVs. Due to his magic and the Battle Mage armors Shade wears, he can stand up to just about any AV defensively, for a bit.
I say that he's either had luck or he is as powerful, if not stronger then: Chimera, Romulus Augustus, Hro'Dthoz, Requiem, Countess Crey. But its all hooplah because I haven't found good textfighting buds on Virtue ._.
You see I'd disagree, unless you can solo these at full powered AV mode, then I wouldn't say you have any real call having your character be more powerful than them in game.
They are supposed to be more powerful than our characters, and thus our characters need to team up to take them on. -
None in game powers can be placed into the game though. For example Ammon's mages ritual magic, couldn't that be used to explain his super groups teleporter or medical bay?
I believe the nighthunters use some sort of amulet to explain super group chat and private messages.
Hacking is a more difficult one, since according to game all characters can hack black ops military hardware within ten seconds.