Blue_Centurion

Except That my attack chain is different. when Bill Z took a look at these he was specifically asked to limit the recharge numbers. I use Soul Mastery attacks as part of my main attack chain, both for the AoE and the High damage attack. I use them a lot. Siphon life does less damage for me than Smite, because my Smite is purpled. The comparisons would need to be recalculated. Not saying I am doing "better than the highest DPS", but I am coming at the number sideways from the way most (99%) of people do it.

Que the insults.

You have posted some informed opinions. I could refute them with my actual play experience point by point but let me just say a few things. The combat heal from DM is rarely used. When I do start to lean on it, times is getting ugly (read team wipe). So when i come off my main attacks and start hitting Siphon life i generally need Dull pain, contnue using Siphon life, and want Dull Pain up again ASAP. But generally, I hit siphon Life once every 30 seconds or so to top off. It is not part of my attack chain. This is one of the major play differences between what you wrote and the reality of my play experience. There are more. when solo hunting multiple Paragon Protectors in the Fav with their groups of Crey, I will stand on Siphon life a little more, thats about it. In large teams running heavy content, i will lean on it. But in large teams if the design is right, i am buffed, and again, do not use Siphon life. If i need Siphon life a lot you can almost guarantee a team wipe is happening. There are similar flaws with the rest of your assumptions about my play experience on this brute.

Que, slang for Bar-b-Que, and I definitely am getting grilled.

Gonna respond even though you are an insulting thing. Mainly because you bring up a good point. I realize that the cheaper I/Os are where to min/max performance in general. However, even a heavily crafted build will generally benefit from some high end I/os. Some. Not what I am doing to my monster. My monster is a concept build. You can throw out insults until the day turns to night. You might as well stand next to me while I am painting and keep telling me my brush stokes are not the way you would paint. Providing I would actually let you do that for very long, it would only be because I found it highly amusing. The concept build continues, maybe i will make another Dark/Invul with a different style to it. I was rather thinking another SS/Will for the middle of the road "Get the max benefits accross the board without chasing dimishing returns build". i will think about it more as I complete this version.

Que the insults.

I typically run Brutes, especially at 50. I think I have a Kin at 50, and a blaster, the rest are brutes. I solo content a lot. I also have a couple good channels where TF teams are the bomb. One in particular is a godsend. There is nothing like a steady flow of Task Forces with a great network of players.

Que the insults now.

I'm slamming 10 PvP I/Os on this guy and then nosing around to see if I can cram one more set on, and i do not PvP. if I did PvP my goal would probably be closer to seven sets.

Sounds like an honest question. Here goes. I have recently run a SS/Will Brute for almost a year. Sitting with around 80% recharge, no speed set. This meant I was regularly double stacking rage. I wanted a different character, and the toon I am running is based in a tabletop RPG, but the origins do not matter.

For Dark/Invul there are multiple benefits to a huge amount of recharge. Dark Consumption, the AoE attack/End Recovery tool is not up often enough to feed a hot running brute (Invul with Fighting runs hot) in normal play. With a ton of recharge mine is up way comfortably often (and I am only running 1 End SO in Stamina). Soul Drain is the 30 second combat buff. At this point I have almost gotten it to a 30 second recharge. This is without super speed. I will drop Super speed on the build for a one week trial when i19 loads. To have Soul Drain perma, or stacked!!! would be the dream. Invulnerabilty: Dull pain. The best heal for brutes. IMO. Slow as heck to get back up. I have it on Perma now, and want it up even more often for things like the LRSF. Now, Dark has weak AoEs, and i have slightly gimped the ST damage by Purpling Midnight Grasp with Gravitational Anchor. So I use Soul Mastery Gloom and Dark Obliteration (both purpled) as heavy regular attacks. Having tons of Recharge makes this very feasible. Once i19 hits I plan to test adding Soul Tentacles or Darkest Night as well for a week. Dark/Invulnerabilty is a somewhat tanky build with mediocre atack power. By Bringing the tons of recharge onto this build and adding a heavy ranged attack set the builds seams have closed up and it slices through very difficult content with ease. It was my original vision, and it seems to be working nicely. I look forward to completing this crazy quest and having this character completed.

Okay, I have never actually done any pure marketeering. I mean, you ruled out selling drops. The closest I have come is when i realized after a couple months in game you could buy level 40-50 enhancers for nothing and sell them for 10k a pop, so after that my starting alts never had cash problems. That took maybe a half hour including all bidding to the store finish.

I saw that LOTG recipes are selling for slightly over 130 mil, and the crafted is selling for 150 mil, so there is probably 10 mil a piece to be made in these transactions. I would do the math and post the estimated time. Unfortunately, at this point I feel in thi forum 1) People would scream how slow I am at doing this, and therefore stupid. 2) People would tell me this is a dumb place to try to make money, and point out the 2 billion they make per day in their "niche", and therefore I am stupid.

But, to reiterate, I really do not enjoy the auctioneering. I play the game do develop characters and fight stuff.

You are probably right about my buildout. It is probably completely wrong, still going to complete it.

I am saying pcificaly that on the average of one character per year fully kitted out in purps/PvP I/Os should be available per account/per year, or the equivalent treasure split amongst all the customers alts. This without being a master marketeer. I have used the market since I started this game 3 1/2 years ago am am not even close to that mark. I find it frustrating, and I believe other consumers would too. How many years of constant content plaig do the Devs think is appropriate to completely finish only one character? Seriously, So if I play fifty years I have maybe 7 fully pimped characters? How the heck is that customer satisaction. Oh Wait, now is the point I am told about the fascinating game "City of Wall Street"...go to the kiosk..GO.

Sharker, I amlooking for one thing with this build, Recharge. It is a pretty straightforward goal. The only way to alter the build would be to alter that goal, which would alter the character. I have 5 purp sets, 5 LOTG, 5 sets offering 5%, and a PvP set offering 7.5%. I will keep at it. there is very little help I ned with this build at this point except cash or PvP I/Os, and maybe a couple of odd Hami enhancers to polish it off with style.

When i move on to my next project, you will love this I think "Middle of the road guy" taking a build and enhancing everything just slightly, instead of a min/max build, a max/min build lol. Everything added on giving the greatest returns, because specifically not chasing the law of diminishing returns. Just taking the first big number jumps and moving to another part to enhance. Trust me, on that build i will be begging for help. But that is for another time.

i am very glad you are enjoying your gaming experience. I am just saying, in my opinion, that the Devs would be better served if long term customers such as yourself could have 4-5 characters fuly kitted out in your 5 years, or the equivalent of that treasure spread amongst all your alts. In general, long term customes should see these reward, where I see them concentrated in the hands of farmers and marketeers.

Sharker, why do you say I am not willing to do the work for character? Because I am complaining about the 3 1/2 years I have put into the game and with all cash concentrated on one character I am unable to complete it. Trust me, I have gamed a little. I have never said the game was balanced round I/Os. with all my cash on one toon the rest of my 50s are on SOs. they do okay. Never siad SOs were bad. Not Once.

I am making the point that the game needs to be set up so that someone playing regular content for years should have access to treasure that I feel is now concentrated in the hands of farmers and marketeers.

3 years! Its fixed. Where are those party hats?

Worth repeating.

So, 6 years and still no grasp of th mrket, probably not a very fully kitted 50, and exactly my point. Someone running content for this long should have at least one (or 6!) really nicely finished 50s. They say on/off, so lets call it three years gaming. That means 3 fully kitted out toons, or if really on/off, and part time casual, at least one. One fully nicely done character in 6 years? But, nope, cause he doesnt stand at the market kiosk and play city of wall street.

Sorry if I am speaking out of turn for you Ferret, and it does not sound like you are complaining about your situation.

I bring this up because if you were marketing to ne players, how could you look at them and be like, "You can play for the better part of a decade and really get mediocre treasure unless you diligently play our add on "Cityof Wall Street""

It is a marketing strategy. Pure and simple. The almighty Dolla. Please, step outside the game for just a second. I have a product. A video game I want to sell you. You have many choices. You can buy console games, or you can get into longer character building and team dynamics thru an MMORPG. So, lets say you chose an MMORPG. Lets say you come to my window first, so I have first crack at the customer. I even give him a free trial period. Clever fellow, he tries this. For free. Once in game, he enjoys it. He also asks questions of some 50s. Hey, how do you get the good treasure. Hey, I looked at Paragon Wiki, these special enhancers, how you get them? Hey, I wentto the boards, someone said download mids to look at builds. I got a top end one (like I usually do on every console game I run, and have been socialized to expect), so how do I go about getting a good build like that here. Well, a few people tell him, you really have a couple choices, you can work a few years through normal content, and maybe/maybe not get that stuff. Or.... You could sit and farm for months on end doing no other content, and probably get pretty close. Or..... You could learn how to manipulate the market. You see, to earn money in this game,doing content is for chumps, what we are selling you is City of Wall Street. Go ahead, stand by that kiosk there and videogame your little heart out. Or.....just do not try to get that stuff. Its in the game, but its not right for you. You are not willing to "earn it" But, the fellow says, I am a pretty good videogamer, playing for years, I love videogames. Oh they say, than stand by that Kiosk, and play the game. If you market like crazy, thats where the rewards are. But, he says, cant i just run content for that stuff. Werent you listening, they say? Everybody knows it would take years that way. The Developers dont reward players of content with the best treasure. o, that gos to farmers, and especially marketeers. They are te ones who get all the stuff. Content playing is for people who actually just need SOs, stick with that. Yeah, and at the end of the trial period..... no sale.

For me, to stop the obvious snarky comment, I enjoy character build out, especially the 3D generation screen. that is primarily why I still subscribe. However, from a pure video game that rewards commensurate with effort, this game is severly tilted to farmers and marketeers. And guess what? That is not what most trial ccount users are looking for. They are looking for a super powered video game. they want toys, bells, whistles, and they are not looking to play city of grind one room, or city of wall street.

Wow, worth quoting twice. Freaking gold mine here. Firstly, I think most of us are realizing I read all the posts. For those that pay attention I am actually having a lively discussion with two or three individuals. I try to ridicule very little, but I am sarcastic to the core, no apologies offered or expected. Yes, if someone just post insults I will ignore that post, onion rings, but I still read it. Just no reason to respond.

More importantly, in you last graph, you believe someone should get a fully purp'd and PvP I/O'd toon in less than a month? Are you sure? Okay, I am going to assume you have been reading the discussion, a courtesy you did not afford me. You believe that someone should roll a character and less than a month later be 50, and be fully kitted out with purp's and PvP I/Os, procs, globals, etc.

Okay, my fastest 50 ever was a crab. It took me 5 days. This was when VEATs 1st came out, and the server was infested with crabs. The fastest guy beat me by like 3 days. If I grind through content, making sure I at least get banks for badges, it still takes me about 2 1/2 weeks to 50 a character I am rushing. If I am actually running the guy, especially all content, it takes me months.

So, back to our story though. Lets say your hypothetical one month guy leveled in regular play to 50 in 5 days. i have done that on PUGs, it can be done. (Or could a couple years ago) So in 25 days he manages to Purp/PvP I/O/Proc/Global evey bit of his build? And you believe this is right? Because he is a "well informed player"

Let me tell you what I think. I think anything over one year of diligent effort is too long to go without having your character tricked out the way you want, even if that is some of the rarest stuff available. If you have played that character a year, there is a good chance you might play it a little longer. You might be invested, even if it is "done"

Also, i believe that anyone that can accomplish this in a few months, or ONE month, is obviously gaming the system. He is playing (or not playing) in a manner that brings nothing to the game. He is a farmer, or a marketeer. He will never play that 50, not with other people. He either sits in his AE farm all night, or stands at the market all night. Either way, he is not out on PUG groups, or doing task forces. Because if you are making the kind of money he is in game that would be stupid. Like asking 50s to keep doing Kalidas arc with new tons. It aint gonna happen too many times. Nope, that player is going to sit in his AE farm, or sit on the market, and that is it.

What i am talking about is having a vibrant gaming environment wherein the players doing the most content, the most teaming with others, the most Massively Multiplayer Online Role Playing Game activities, are rewarded at higher rates than farmers and marketeers.

Okay, lets pretend you were not trying to be insulting. You are truly astonished. Okay. So, from what yo wrote, ow was I supposed to know fully I/O'd meantpurples and PvP I/Os. Fully I/O'd could mean a ton of 200,000 enhancers slammed onto the build. (Which is actually a cheap and effective way to be stronger than SO. I said it first) I read your post, I just did not understand that your friends fully I/O'd stone tanker was fully I/O'd with the best. In less than 6 months, very very nice.

Would our current group of marketeers consider this a possibility? Call it 5 purple sets (only 5 per, for efficiency), so 25 purples, and lets say 15 PvP I/Os, a couple procs, a global or 3, and never forget the 5 LOTG 7.5%, this stoner will need them. Do that in 6 months on the market and have 2 billion change left over. Is this possible?

nether, you are one of my favorites, I must say. Consistently insulting, with so little content in your words it is the nutritional equivalent of a happy meal. However, since you offer up this gem of an opinion instead of just hurling insults let me say how wrong you are. Just plain wrong. At 50 I continue to run content/badges/TF/Hami raids/Tip/Pug groups/holiday stuff. Also, once principally done with one character (as I said, hopefully in bout a year) I would start another character. My 50 would still be working, because I have a couple Task Force channels I monitor. One in articular has some of the best teams I have found, and it is always a pleasure to do a ***** Task Force. i would jump back onto my 50 and team with them quite regular, no matter how "finished" that character was.

You absolutely ignored what I was responding to, which was someones suggestion not to use the market at all. This forum is not a good place for this discussion I am finding. Someone will say if you dont like it, never use the market. I will explain I have to use the market. Ridicule ensues. There are alternate ways to get the stuff. I post the math on the alternate ways. I am told that is stupid, use the market. I tell people the market is rigged to favor farmers and marketeers. I am told you do not ned to use the market. I will explain I have to use the market. Ridicule ensues. There are alternate ways to get the stuff. I post the math on the alternate ways. I am told that is stupid, use the market. I tell people the market is rigged to favor farmers and marketeers. I am told you do not ned to use the market. I will explain I have to use the market. Ridicule ensues. There are alternate ways to get the stuff. I post the math on the alternate ways. I am told that is stupid, use the market. I tell people the market is rigged to favor farmers and marketeers. I am told you do not ned to use the market.

Wow, within a few short sentences yougo from it is demonstrably able to be done to you are not even sure that it should be practically possible. And everyone you meet? I have never, ever said everyone in the cities should have this. At the rate of one character per year kitted out in this fashion people who play 3 years would have 3, and all their alts would be pretty much what we see now.

I start a new character, soloing every mission/every badge. I run the other at 50 to continue earning merits, A merits, doing task forces, raids, etc. But I definitely start the new guy and build that story. Personally, I love new characters. Character generation is one of the reasos I play this game. (Specifically not to market, as mst are probably aware) I draw. I paint. Using the character generation tool allows me to explore 3D representations of many possible characters. True eye candy, and I am very happy with it. Anything could be better, but "City of"s character generation tools are top shelf.

So, you ares aying that by never getting this makes people play more? Or, get them once in a great while? Which brings me to that question everyone that disagrees with me seems unwilling to answer. How long? How long do you think it is appropriate to take to completely purple/PvP I/O one character, at the expense of all others? If you were in a marketing strategy sesson for the game, what figure would you throw out as to a good time range, and hy do you believe this wold help you get/retain customers?

Thank you for your offer of assistance. For this particular build I do not need help. There is a frankenbuild bouncing around my head that I will be begging for help with once I am done with this guy. But this guy is very simple. Recharge, and recharge. I absolutely know that it is a law of diminishing returns. However, except for this Brute, only Doms could possibly benefit from recharge more. I am not going to present my theories for this again, I know many consider thm wrong, the way I am doing it wrong, whatever. I am chasing the dragon with this build, and whether or not i catch the beast I will not go off the hunt.

Actually, there is a class of players in the cities that have a disease called altitis. It is rare, maybe less than 1% of those who play, possibly more. More characters are what keep those who Alt playing. Having each of these characters be even cooler would only enhance our altitis afflicted players experience. Since you do not suffer this malady, this probably makes no sense to you. But it is a good market for a game like City of to look for customers in. ince they have one of the best character design systems on the market, marketing to people that like to alt, wel, it might make a little sense.