BeamRay

Lighthouse,

It was great to meet you for the frist time at Preview Night of the Comicon! Thanks for talking to me and my SG Global Nemesis.


BeamRay

Well on a good side about his issues. That player had said something that did get them into trouble. What was said and what NCsoft did no one will know.

ok cutemaid is crazy

I have no clue what your talking about cutemaid

Some how you still think everyone is on your side theBejeeber?

GM's should have more tools so they can.

This was my frist post in the forums. I'm sorry for putting it in this place. A moderator can move it! Wish they would. Well if you call NCSoft on the phone all you get is did you put it on the forums. So now you see a post on the forums. The point of the post is. The GM's need more power and should act faster on some issues. Also some of the rules for the game need to be changed so they can.

You may think multiple accounts. But it's not multiple accounts. thats multiple people. We will see how people feel about this. Thats the point of the post

Bottem line is they don't act fast or can't do anything. You talk about cost of being able to do that stuff. Still cheaper then someone takeing them to court.

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Show me where it says that you can't give personal info out in-game? Show me where it says the Cryptic or NCSoft is responsible for what the players do in-game? Show me where you, or any other player, was coerced to give out RL info in-game, and how it was NCSoft & Cryptic's fault.

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From the Code of Conduct which applies both here and ingame:
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2. You may not post or communicate any player's real world information (name, address, account name, etc.) through the City of Heroes game or on the official City of Heroes website.

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Look, I understand this person who started the thread is confused and doesn't really have a clue, but BioStem, at least be clear on what the rules are before you harsh them about which rules have and havent been broken.

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Thanks for the info!

Your just the kind of person who doesn't want the GM to have more power. We think the GM should have more power.

We know the language part is petitionable. But when someone starts to put info of players in the game. There is no swift act to make them stop. It's about 32hrs in and we still having to delete info being posted.

Just think about if your SG/VG was in the top 10 on a server. You had been working hard for a year to get that high. Someone comes and does this. Just not the SG/VG leaders is mad, but SG/VG players also. It takes everyone to make it that high. Just not a god leader.

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!) This is not a guide. take it somewhere else please. Mods, please move tis thread if you see this.

2)I have a good cheese to go with your whine, Beamer. SGs are not democratic. What you're asking for is micromanagement of an SG by mods, which, is not only really inefficient, but draws GM action and attention from other, more important things. It's bad enough that 50-70% of the time you ahve to wait more than 20 minutes for a GM response, can you imagine it would be substantially worse if we had to divert them to matters like this? You're asking for the inefficient, and if you cna't deal with th fact that sometimes, player-based hierarchies are unfair, go home.

Also, stop posting here. This isn't useful in any way to anyone. Go to player questions or the general forum.

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If we wish to run it as a democratic then we can!

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And how's that?

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The way the game is set up it can be done. I'm not going to put down how a SG/VG can be run as a democratic. The SG/VG i'm in happens to run it as a democratic. We just happen to have a leader make someone leader who want to break everything in the SG/VG. We have save only been able to keep the base. We have a toon setting in base edit. To keep this player from deleting the base and salvage. Lucky we had a global chat for the SG/VG that saved all the players and a 2nd SG/Vg to put them in. Now we just wait for the GM's to boot the player so we can get on with gameing life. My point is this person had made playing this game not fun. I do know it's part of the game. But when a player is for the last 24hrs putting peoples info in MOTD. IE: Real Name, phone number, e-mail address, and webpage about players. The GM's have not done anything to the player and he or she is still doing this. You say in post befor that the GM's shouldn't do anything about this. But think if it was your info that was up there! Also the think about the player who made them leader.

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Then your issue is the fault of the person that gave the offender the permissions necessary to do the damage. As far as the thing w/ the real names & other info goes, how did this person get it? It certainly isn't in-game. How are the GMs supposed to control what goes on outside of the game?

If this were my SG/VG, several things would happen. First, I would never promote anyone to be of equal rank as me (the SG leader). Second, I wouldn't give permission to do base edits to anyone except those I implicitly trusted. If that trust was misplaced, that's my fault and I'd kick the offending person. This issue just reeks of poor judgment, though - why would you give permissions to someone who could do this? It just seems hard to believe that there were no warning signs or indicators that they might do something like this...

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My point is and I will keep saying it. The GM's need to be fast and swift when players info is being given out over the game. Also thinking I made this person leader is not true. We have it down to two people who did it. I think if the GM's go look at the chat logs they would find out who did it and reason behind it. I do feel they need to come down on both players. If this was a leader who had been in the SG for like 3 month and did this. Well so be it and I would be jacked. If he gave out info of players it should be stopped fast. If someone is made leader of a SG/VG that day and does all the stuff above. They should be kicked form the game. We don't need people like that play. Do you want someone like that playing?

This is not me. It was othere players! I'm just looking out for my people.

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!) This is not a guide. take it somewhere else please. Mods, please move tis thread if you see this.

2)I have a good cheese to go with your whine, Beamer. SGs are not democratic. What you're asking for is micromanagement of an SG by mods, which, is not only really inefficient, but draws GM action and attention from other, more important things. It's bad enough that 50-70% of the time you ahve to wait more than 20 minutes for a GM response, can you imagine it would be substantially worse if we had to divert them to matters like this? You're asking for the inefficient, and if you cna't deal with th fact that sometimes, player-based hierarchies are unfair, go home.

Also, stop posting here. This isn't useful in any way to anyone. Go to player questions or the general forum.

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If we wish to run it as a democratic then we can!

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And how's that?

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The way the game is set up it can be done. I'm not going to put down how a SG/VG can be run as a democratic. The SG/VG i'm in happens to run it as a democratic. We just happen to have a leader make someone leader who want to break everything in the SG/VG. We have save only been able to keep the base. We have a toon setting in base edit. To keep this player from deleting the base and salvage. Lucky we had a global chat for the SG/VG that saved all the players and a 2nd SG/Vg to put them in. Now we just wait for the GM's to boot the player so we can get on with gameing life. My point is this person had made playing this game not fun. I do know it's part of the game. But when a player is for the last 24hrs putting peoples info in MOTD. IE: Real Name, phone number, e-mail address, and webpage about players. The GM's have not done anything to the player and he or she is still doing this. You say in post befor that the GM's shouldn't do anything about this. But think if it was your info that was up there! Also the think about the player who made them leader.

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My point is that the GM's should take a faster trun around on this.

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I dissagree. The GMs should have -ZERO- turn around on this. The system is not at fault here, the players are. I hate to say it, but the person who promoted the 'jerk' to the top level should not have.

It is a regretable event. I won't argue that it's an easy thing to go through as an SG. But I won't accept that the system was to blame when the players could have prevented it easily.

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Not saying the game was to blam. Just saying the GM's should jump on the fact when people send tickets in about player info being put up in the MOTD. Then they should step in and find out who made that play leader. If it happen in the same day.

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!) This is not a guide. take it somewhere else please. Mods, please move tis thread if you see this.

2)I have a good cheese to go with your whine, Beamer. SGs are not democratic. What you're asking for is micromanagement of an SG by mods, which, is not only really inefficient, but draws GM action and attention from other, more important things. It's bad enough that 50-70% of the time you ahve to wait more than 20 minutes for a GM response, can you imagine it would be substantially worse if we had to divert them to matters like this? You're asking for the inefficient, and if you cna't deal with th fact that sometimes, player-based hierarchies are unfair, go home.

Also, stop posting here. This isn't useful in any way to anyone. Go to player questions or the general forum.

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If we wish to run it as a democratic then we can!

Well the SG is the group. My point is that the GM's should take a faster trun around on this. It's all about how the group is run. Some groups have one leader and some have more then one!

We should not have to leave. The GM's should step up and see this and boot the player who is doing it and the player who is made leader. No one should have to put up with this if they pay! Just saying othere games step up and kick the player or boot them from the group.

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It's the GM's responsibility when the rogue leader in question is at the top of the ranks. Since you cannot demote or kick someone of equal rank, there is not a way to get someone out of the SG/VG who starts behaving like this. It would also be nice if there was a way for other leaders to see who promoted who, so we know who take action against.

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Nope. He is *THE* leader of the SG - he answers to no one. If the top-tier guy wanted to dissolve the SG, sell or remove things from the base, kick people, etc, then he has every right to. A SG is not a democracy. It would sure suck, and it wouldn't be the right thing to do - "right" as in, polite, nice, considerate thing to do, but nowhere is it stated or even implied that it is illegal/prohibited. If this person was made top-tier by the other top-tier, and it was by mistake, then there needs to be a way to demote them, if one doesn't already exist.

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Yes, but if the top person is gone and left a long time. You can do nothing but take what is done.

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Three things...

1. Yes, it hurts when something like you mention happens, but that is why there are 5 levels of hierarchy in the SG rankings, and the ability to assign permissions accordingly. Be more cautious when promoting people.

2. Please don't use Blue as your font color - it's impossible for people using the Hero "skin" to read.

3. This is the guides section, please post in an appropriate area, like Suggestions/Ideas.

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Just said when someone from the hierarchy add's someone just to run havok on the SG. Wish the GM's would jump on this a lot after and punsh both sides. At the same point seeing peoples info posted in MOTD is kind of jacked.

OK I think the GM's need to take a trun on the game with Rogue plays or leaders. Like when a person is made leader for no reason and they delete base and kick everyone out. People send in petition say the person is going crazy and saying stuff that should not be said. I like this game a lot. I just feel the GM's need to step up like othere MMORPG and IE: ban, kick players from the game. I was just wondering if players out there feel this way?