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You're all wrong.

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Wait, I didn't see this one. I'd like to change my answer!

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I know it conflicts with some things I've said previously, but I like to think we're all here in this thread because we genuinely wish to understand what's going on and the people we're conversing with.

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All the rest of your post aside, this was what caught my eye. Yes, I'd like to think so too. If this is the case, shouldn't you and I work toward understanding what each other is saying before debating it?

And of course you can be 100% right. Your position could be that the Earth is made of cheese and mine that it's not. I'd be 100% right, and you 100% wrong.

Of course that's not likely to happen.

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But if you want Averick, I could toss a coin, shout "Heads," set you to Ignore, regardless of the outcome, and never have to read another word you type out.

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Oooh, that's my favorite option! I choose that one! Rather than actually doing any work, why don't you just consign yourself to that fate?

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See, that's precisely why I don't set you to ignore. The phrase itself was supposed to be ludicrous, not insulting. If I did, I apologize. That wasn't the intent.

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Yes, well, I was being silly. You literally cannot offend me. Well, not on a message board. My question still stands. Before we all agree to have any sort of deep, philosophical conversation and actually apply brainpower and time, shouldn't we all commit to trying to get something out of the process instead of just flexing our "I R SMRT" muscles?

Grey, if you put out the most beautiful post about philosophy, and I spend all my time nitpicking semantic arguments about it to try to maintain some sort of imagined superiority, who is that good for? How does that help?

So do we just ignore those folks or do we try to help them? And if they struggle, how hard to we fight back before we let them drown?

There's a real question for you.

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But if you want Averick, I could toss a coin, shout "Heads," set you to Ignore, regardless of the outcome, and never have to read another word you type out.

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Oooh, that's my favorite option! I choose that one! Rather than actually doing any work, why don't you just consign yourself to that fate?

This is the problem right here. Are we conversing? Are we actually learning anything from each other, or are we all just typing an pretending that others are caring what we type?

Can you be wrong, Grey? Can I be wrong? Do either of us care to be right or are we just pushing the arguments around?

If we're RPing in a game, I don't care, cause we're all just having fun. When someone gets personal, I'm the FIRST to go "hey, hold on, calm down". But this is supposed to be debate/argument/idea sharing session where we actually seriously discuss topics.

How do we do that with this kind of derailing influence? You just give up? Should I set you to ignore because of your lacksidasical attitude? Because you're more interested in quiet than... gee, is it justice or honor or... what would it be?

All of these topics are related.

Absolutes in the reality of the universe, and the moral absolute of ego or god. "This is wrong." "This is right."

How can anyone who's studied anthropology and history see religion as anything more than a cultural manifestation of human psyche developing against the backdrop of the accumulation of knowledge by man about his universe? Especially if you note the patterns in the major religions worldwide and the continual regurgitation of themes from one culture to the next.

I don't know, seems pretty obvious to me. We have instincts. One of which is to gather as much as possible. The other is to be part of a herd. So when these to instincts work together, you have a community looking out for the community and working hard doing so. When they break down into "bad" behavior, you have individuals putting themself in front of the group and trying to get more than everyone else.

Is that cogent?

I don't know, Grey, I'm torn. On one hand maybe Devious is crying out for help. I mean, come on. At what point did the conversation stop being about the logical discussion of whether or not there are absolute truths and start being all about how I'm in some little tiny box and how he's not human, but above humans and wild assertions with no backings about how he's seen more of the world than me.

I mean, come on, man. On one hand I just don't want to deal with him. I've already put him on ignore once, as have a few others who've PMd me after the last time he went crazy in a thread I was in. So yeah, I can just walk away from it, but then he never learns anything and he just keeps doing it. So what do you think? You think I should put him on ignore again? I mean, do you think I should just totally give up on him as a lost cause?

I can't PM him. That doesn't work. I try and I get nothing but steady crazy with heavy overtones of arrogant. What would YOU do? I'm serious?

I'm tired of the "let's all get along" crowd constantly throwing their daisy bombs in the center of arguments. Why don't you do this, Grey. Why don't you read back through the posts and say "You know what, Averick, you're being an antagonistic jerk, you started all this when you said 'Blah'" and I'll go "hmmm, ok, I guess maybe I shouldn't have said 'blah', and I'm sorry".

Maybe you should just come right out and say "Averick, you need to not start crap with Devious". If it's my fault, and people feel that way, sure, PM me.

Personally, I'm not quite ready to give up on Devious yet. He's young. There's still hope for him.

I love you Devious, you crazy little rascal you.

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As for Averick, I can see you've never met a politician. Or a diplomat. Sorry man, it looks like your box is just too small for me.

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I'm guessing when you hit 25 you may have a shot at recognizing and avoiding this pattern you've developed. I hope so.

My apologies Devious, I forgot to take into account that you were crazy.

The point of language is not to obfuscate, obscure or confuse, but rather to get a point from one head to another. This is just my opinion, (and approximately 6 billion other people's) but you've opened my eyes to the fact that not everyone believes this. Thanks.

I'm opting out of the mental happy place and just settling for a mellow drunk. I'll check in later and see if there's anything actually resembling a logical discussion going on.

Still no contradiction. You just quoted me, you didn't explain how those are contradictions. I must assume that you're misunderstanding the meaning of the words. Let me help you.

1+1=2 includes the conditions, as it was spoken of in the absolute way that we look at math, as in theoretical. Absolute does NOT mean that if you change the definitions of the terms, the words still are true. Absolute DOES mean that the phenomenon you're describing doesn't change, even though you may move from one point in time to another or from one point in known space to another.

This is all three of those quotes put together. You can clearly see that there is no contradiction there, I hope. This isn't an opinion, it's fact. If you need more help with this, I'll gladly break it down further.

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That was uncalled for. I may not get a paycheck, but you know I have a job. And I enjoy it very much. Also, I'd appreciate if you didn't put words in my mouth. At no point did I say I knew everything.

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Gonna be a fun day once humans wise up a bit. Or at least it will be for me.

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You're literally saying that once humans wise up a bit, to your level, it will be a fun day for you. This implies you're wiser than humans. Maybe you meant to say something else, but this is what you said. That's what those words mean in that order. I wasn't the only one to pick up on it.

Usually communities let little things like, "most people don't bother to learn…" or "a lot of people don't even know…" but "it'll sure be a good day for me when humanity gets smarter", is a little over the top.
Yeah, I think it was called for. You write like this always. You're always having problems with context, you're always accusing others, you're always condescending. Emoticons don't help. You and I have had offline talks, and you're really not all that bad, you're kind of smart too. You have great potential. But yeah, you could maybe benefit from getting a grip on how your ego does most of your writing for you. I know it would help me in dealing with you.

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To simplify, you see the world in blue, we see it in red.

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Please define "we".

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Everything is relative and depends on the point of view you're looking at it from - relation of observer to observed. It is this same logic that does not allow me to acknowledge anything as absolute. Because from what I've seen, the world is not as predictable as you claim.

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In the world of opinions, I believe that the universe is ordered. I believe that given enough knowledge of the variables at play, and the rules, you can predict the outcome.

Math already shows us that you're wrong. In the world of mathmatics, 1+1=2, always. It's an absolute. Now if you change the value of 1 to 35, and the value of the other 1 to 73, and the value of the plus sign to "throw a banana at Steve" then you're changing what we're saying. You're not affecting whether the absolute truth of 1+1=2 still exists. Gravity pulls, friction slows, light speeds, etc. Absolute truths.

I cannot see the contradiction because no one can see the contradiction, not even you. If you could, you would point it out. But you can't, so you don't.

Sorry, that's just an absolute truth.

I hope humanity one day rises to your level as well. Remember to get a job now, while you still know everything!

Why was our point of view expected to differ again? I didn't get that memo. This is supposed to be a logical discussion, your opinion doesn't mean anything. My opinion doesn't mean anything. I put my two cents in about absolutes, you've yet to counter it, only push around semantic arguments.

I'm really interested in hearing a real argument, or at least you acknowledging that absolute truth is a repeatable and dependable force pervasive throughout the known universe that operates at a predictable rate. For example, gravity, friction, mathmatics, chemical bondings at various temperatures, etc.

That was what I came in on. I wasn't trying to be a jerk and draw attention to where you missed the OP, I was just relating my topic to the OP and making sure you and I were on the same page.

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You argue that absolute means 'it does not change'. Good. Then you argue that reations such as 1+1=2 are not subject to change. Bad - because such relations can and do change, and indeed do so all the time. And no, I do not mean their semantics.

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There is no contradiction in this. Relations such as 1+1 are not subject to change in the theoretical, which is what the OP was saying.

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Infallible truths is not any form of worldly knowledge, but understanding of the unbending laws that construct what we know. Examples of such would be understanding the form of a cube, 1+1=2, etc.

The other two things we will appeal to is the perceivable truths and extensions of those truths based on reason.

So, starting in, the first thing to do is set aside the infallible truths for now and look at perceivable truths. There is the ever present issue that we can not prove that what we are experiencing it "real" and not just a fabricated reality caused by an external or internal force.

As such, we can only assume that which we perceive to stay consistent. Though the perceived truths may change, we shall not be as aware of such, reason stating that any change bound to occur and alter rules of existence shall extend likely beyond what we know as "now", meaning the change that took place never actually took place in a way we could perceive.

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Interpreting it any other way than the way he has written it is a semantic argument. Conditions change in the real world, not the theoretical world. Conditions not being "locked down" applies to experiments meant to further our theoretical understanding of the rules of the universe. Just because gravity doesn't pull the five supposedly identical balls the exact same because they're not really identical, doesn't mean that gravity is not absolute. It is, even though the experiment or application may always be different in ways we can and cannot perceive.

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Actually, yes it does. That's what absolute means. What you are describing is a relative, or partial, absolute.

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Actually, no, it does not. Absolute means that it does not change. Absolute does not mean that it is semantically unchallengeable.

No one is arguing that if you drop a rock on Venus it will fall toward the Earth, therefore gravity is an absolute. Gravity is an absolute because everywhere in the universe (as far as we know), smaller bodies move toward larger bodies unless there's intervening force of greater power. That's an absolute. It doesn't mean that humans will fly toward the Chrysler building, that's redefining terms. It doesn't mean that the earth will slam into the sun, that's redefining terms. Redefining terms is a semantic argument. The universe doesn’t care about you or your semantics, it cares only about the rules that are absolute.

So when someone says 1+1=2 and your only counter argument is "what about 1+1+x because you added them in a windstorm", that's not what we're talking about. 1+1=2. It is an absolute. That is what we're talking about. We're not talking about 1.231423 +1.2534232, we're talking about 1+1. If you want absolutes in reality, look at counting people or livestock. Look at counting houses. The purpose of language is to try to get the meaning across, of course if you deliberately try to not understand the meaning gets lost. That's not the point. The point is for you to TRY to understand.

Green cannot always be green if you change the definition of green. One plus one, cannot be one plus one, if you change the definition of one and plus.

Given that the conditions are set, you can have absolute truths. In this gravity well, when you drop something heavier than air, it falls. All things heavier than air. Now if you change the conditions, then we're not talking about the same thing.

Absolute truth doesn't mean I say something and then it's absolutely true here, there, everywhere and with all the definitions of all the words changed and redifined. Our definitions are subjective, truth is not.

The universe continues to work the same way absolutely all the time, just because we flawed humans suck at expressing it, doesn't change that fact.

Size and complexity do equal power. Do monkeys have "fuel"? They're able to reason, puzzle and even speak of themselves in the first person. What about dolphins?

Insects simply do what they're told, they don't even learn, most of them. They don't have brains so much as clusters or "sections" of them that "think".

It's all the same process. Input through the senses, output through the muscles. From ants to humans. There is no "fuel". There is only the power of the engine.

I didn't see any personal attack. Him claiming that the statement implies bias is not a personal attack. He's calling into question the absoluteness from which you made the statement and quite rightly pointing out that it is subjective at the point of saying what is a true culture and what is not a true culture. Unless you're going to introduce some axioms or definitions.

Speaking of which, he already gave definitions and axioms in terms of 1+1=2. Thusly, 1+1=2, always, it's always right under those conditions. Therefore, it is eternal and certain.

"I am afraid I have no new information. It would appear that the infrastructure has crumbled and I am cut off from our satellite network, which will make my transportation based on topographical maps which may be inaccurate. I really should seek a way to re-open the portal and rejoin my unit, but as that is something beyond the scope of my knowledge and resources at this time, I am willing to aid you in your cause of resistance."
The droid, not needing to breath, was prone to long sentences.

"I am the M-113 transportation and medical droid. I am designed to get troops on and off the battlefield, and keep them alive while they're fighting. I am also capable of stealth missions, sneaking behind enemy lines and infiltrating squads. I have other capabilities but they are top secret. Would you like my help?" The droid stood at ease, mechanical claws clasped behind its back.

Hmmm, a rock and a human brain are both made of electrons, protons and neutrons. That does not mean they are made of the same components. Rat brains and human brains are made of chemicals that induce specific reactions to certain perceptions. The only, and I mean only, difference is the raw processing power of the human mind which allows us to be aware of one more sense than rats. We can detect our own thoughts as something other than an impulse to be immediately obeyed. That's it folks. It's not "all new wiring" it's just a bigger engine. The difference between a 150 and a 350 let's say. Or rather, the difference between a subsonic jet and a supersonic jet.

You can say "apples and oranges" but the only difference is that one is powerful enough to get across a physics barrier, and the other isn't. If you don't believe me, ask a biologist.

Ooooh philosophy. *cracks knuckles* How do you play this game again? I mean I've heard of it, but… how much are we betting? Oh my. Well, luckily I carry my kids college fund around in cash. Now you guys don't try and cheat me, alright?

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Exactly. By definition, there is no such thing. An infallible truth is nonsense.

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Actually, it's the opposite. If we define 4 as 2 + 2, then it becomes infallible. If we define 2 in the real world as 2.14253 meters because we cannot make a machine cut a slab of steel to exactly what we have calibrated at 2 meters, then we're going to add up enough 2s to get an odd number. Same with voltage. But the concept in theory is infallible.

Infallible truths exist everywhere that sentience interacts with the universe. Heat sources speed up subatomic movement, cold slows it down. The introduction of quantum physics is an exercise in human hubris more than actual science. We're children in the quantum world, and while we can mathematically prove where we think things are going to be a certain percentage of the time, we still lack the ability to see where they go when we're wrong. We simply don't have the technology to expand our knowledge of quantum physics at this point in our development. It's a baby science, and we're the babies.

Further, we approach our knowledge of quantum physics as if it were something we've already mastered.

Let me give an example. We've proven that electrons don't follow any pattern. Proven it, mind you, as in it's a fact now. How? We fire particles at where we figure electrons are going to be, and 70% of the time we make contact. Whoo hoo! That's proof. So, what, the other 30% the electrons are sugar gum fairy land? They're going somewhere. Particles don't teleport, we lose track of them. Electrons don't suddenly appear and disappear out of nothingness, they have smaller components of which we're not aware and they break down and get built up.

It would be like having you throw 100 shotputs into a field that's pitch black, then driving through the field at 30mph with a clipboard mapping all the shot puts we found and claiming that some of them just disappeared, but there's a 35% chance that when you throw a shotput at night it will hit the ground.

He's decidedly precise in his suggestion that we can only work with the things that we perceive. How, exactly, are you going to work with things outside of your perception? You can allot for things you haven't perceived YET, but that's about it.

And sentience is simply a factor of brain power. Monody is right. All the elements are there in a rat, he's just not very smart. He has perceptions, instincts and memory, just like us. Just because he can't think of himself in the third person doesn't mean it's apples and oranges. It's like saying that there's no similarities between a TRS-80 and a P4 dual core 2.8 gig computer. Yes, one's way more complicated and way more powerful, but they're both made out of the same building blocks.

"Excuse me, sir, am I interrupting? I was told to report here for information on the US Army chain of command. Was I given accurate information? The one who brought me in was called Point Blank, he led me here." M-113 stood still as a stone.

His headpiece still had antennae, his one eye glowing slightly red, and his chassis was an amalgamation of composites painted with synth camo, which could adapt to his environment, but like most vehicles, he still stood out. He carried no visible weaponry, and was obviously not a battle suit, as his feet and hands were skeletal metal frames.

"You just don't understand. That's all, you just don't understand." Tony grimaced. He was used to hearing this kind of talk, but in a pleading tone, not a condescending tone. When you have someone tied to a chair, and you're holding a ten pound hammer in your hand, usually there's more pleading. "Oh, I don't know why I bothered coming here," Eugene breathed out in resignation.

This comment drew laughter from Mario and Vinnie, and the little guy, Carl, in the back of the warehouse office. Eugene shook his head. Normally he'd put his hands to his face in a situation like this, but he was tied to a chair and about to be tortured.

Tony smacked the hammer into one of his meaty hands and began to talk. "Look, youz, if you don't start answerin de questions, I'm gonna start smashin you up."

"Oh, I have to warn you, I sing polkas when I'm being tortured. It just sort of relieves the tension." Eugene made eye contact for a brief moment with Tony, to let him know he was serious.

"You get tortured a lot?" Tony asked out of genuine curiosity.

"Oh yeah. Hacksaws, blowtorches, super powers, heck some even try to read my mind… poor girl. I wonder how she's doing?" As Eugene drifted off into ponderous wonderment, Tony looked back at Mario and Vinnie and smiled. With one loud "smack", Tony broke every bone in Eugene's foot.

Crazy Eugene inhaled sharply at the pain and paused for a second. The room went quiet. Then Eugene let out a terrible noise. "There's a garden, WHAT a garden! Where happy faces bloom there! And there's never any room for a worry or a goom!" It was a polka.

Tony's face contorted with confusion and amusement. This time, when he looked back at Vinnie and Mario, there was only shock. Eugene swung his head from side to side while singing, to keep tempo. Tony smashed down on the other foot, then the shin, then the knee, but Eugene kept singing. Mario started to tap his foot a little bit, but Vinnie grabbed him by the arm and shook his head.

"What, it's kind of catchy," Mario whispered.

Tony looked back at them. "You guys want some too?"

"We're sorry Tony. Don't disturb the man when he's working Mario." The last was accompanied by a chastising smack on the arm.

Mario looked remorseful. "I'm sorry, Tony. I didn't mean to interrupt."

Tony's anger had gotten the better of him. He turned toward Eugene and started to shout. "Shut up! Shut up already!" With one solid smack of the hammer against Eugene's head, the chair fell over.

"Oh, we're going to get right to it now!" Eugene sounded excited as he broke into the fourth chorus.

Tony began pounding him on the head with the hammer, until blood sprayed up and covered his face with tiny dots. Finally it was silent. The two thugs outside quietly settled up their bet by exchanging a twenty. Then the room went completely black. The two guards lifted their Tommy guns toward the door into the warehouse office.

There were shouts of alarm, then a call for quiet from Tony. Then red light, like lightning, danced through the room behind the smoked glass. One guard dropped his Tommy gun and ran. The other took two steps back. "Tony!? Mario?!" There were the sounds of screams inside, and breaking furniture. Then a single shot lit up the smoked glass and put a hole in the window of the office door. There were more screams. Terrible, high pitched screams inside the office, until finally there was nothing but silence, and the red electricity.

The guard opened up with his gun, shattering the glass with thirty rounds of forty five caliber ammo. Casings began piling up on the floor to his right as smoke started to trail from the barrel and the ejection port. The smoked glass shattered and came raining down as pictures fell from the wall, and pencils and papers exploded off of the desk and cabinets.

Huge, smoldering wings carried Champion through the remainder of the window, smashing wood framework to splinters as his red and black body came flying out into the guard.

From the car, the other guard could hear the screams, as the energy coursed through his companion, burning him from the inside out. Tires squealed down mostly empty streets in Port Oaks, as the thug raced away from the scene, and toward the relative safety of the mob boss headquarters.

Eugene walked out of the warehouse office, rubbing his wrists. Three thugs, one of them holding a hacksaw, stood behind him. "I just don't think we're getting through to these guys. Maybe I should look meaner."

Champion dropped the charred corpse he was holding and turned back to him. "When do I get a real challenge?"

Eugene quirked an eyebrow. "Soon, my very tall and pointy friend. Very soon indeed."

M-113 listed all radio contacts. There was still one hidden satellite operational that he had contact with. Since 17 others were offline, he deduced it would be unwise to attempt to contact anyone. He spoke without taking his sensors off of the horizon. "As I am unable to contact transportation satellites, I would appreciate your assistance in reaching this Bastion. Are you a member of the resistance? Who are we resisting?"

M-113 was entirely unable to feel emotions, however he realized the situation looked bad. He calculated the odds that, had he not been trapped under the battle, he'd have been destroyed. He increased the liklihood based on his selfless behavior. He paused where a normal person would think about what that means to them, but he had no subroutines to run, so there was a .00023 second period of no data. He recorded it.

"If we are to travel behind enemy lines, we should take advantage of cover and concealment." M-113 showered Point Blank with negatively charged photons, causing him to become mostly transparent. Then he activated his cloaking device and disappeared from view. "I am placing a tracking device on your right shoulder, so that I can transport you in case of emergency and track you should I lose visual contact."

With that, he fired a tiny sliver of circuitry into the clothing covering Point's right shoulder. "My anti personnel weaponry is limited, so I suggest we avoid confrontations."

"My mission was classified secret, and since you do not have the required security clearance, I cannot tell you. Today's date is March third, twenty, twenty nine. I have been out of contact for twenty two years, one hundred thirty days, forty three minutes and eight seconds." M-113 disappeared in a flash of light and reappeared at the entrance. He then transported Point Blank to the top of the hole.

"Civilian, I am unable to make contact with the network, so transportation will be limited to line of site or transponder. I suggest we find some high ground." With that M-113 began scanning the area for higher terrain.

"I am the M-113 combat transportation and medical droid. My scan has revealed your injuries are not life threatening." A solid beam of green light emanated from M's hand, causing Point's wrist and side to glow slightly as he healed the damage. "I must return to Firebase Zulu at once with news of our mission. Do you require assistance?"

M-113 stepped forward and looked up toward the hole that Point fell through. "I am capable of transporting us out of this hole. Would you like to leave?"

You're right, the internet is serious business. Thanks for the wake up call.

Personally I think this is a wonderful thread to have JUST this kind of discussion in. It's about RP courtesy is it not? We're covering both godmoding and being polite to people by not talking down to them. Mutual respect. Not coming off like an [censored].

I don't know, I kind of think it fits. Of course the PC police will be along any moment to try to equate disagreement with fighting and give us the "let's all just get along" speech, but until then, just sit back and enjoy the moment.

OK, so here's the deal. Somehow Devious, you've gotten the opinion that I hate you or something. That's wrong. Completely wrong.

You seem to have the opinion that I have a grudge. I do not. I think it's unfortunate you didn't feel it would be a good idea to plan something out with me instead of trying to outmaneuver me in an RP thread I started that was essentially the story of an SG I started, which pretty much just me and maybe two other people ever post in. Blood under the bridge.

I don't have a grudge. I will never EVER say that what you did was justified, right, correct, OK, acceptable, or warranted. It wasn't unforgivable and it doesn't make you a bad person. I actually think you are pretty funny sometimes.

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You obviously still hold quite the grudge against me. Tough you deny it, it is evident by your posts' adamant form. While I can't say I much care for that, or have for your behavior in the past, I concede that Blood_Wolffe is quite right - people can learn. As such, I suppose I should have faith that you can too.

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...and expect me to read it. Seriously. I'm 36. I debate politics and religion with scholars. I've been writing for longer than you've been alive. As a hobby, but still. If you're going to teach me something, please have the humility to approach me as an equal.

I'd love to bury the hatchet, and approach a project with you as equals. I'm sure we'd have fun together, but as you'll notice in that thread, I didn't call you names, insult you (other than to point out the godmoding) or follow you around trying to "educate people" about you. I didn't say anything bad about you period, and had you not jumped in here, no one would have even known I was TALKING about you.

Learning can be painful, and people have to be held accountable for their actions. So, in front of the whole community, I'm sorry for my part in our miscommunication, and I will work VERY hard to make sure it doesn't happen again by using PMs vigerously when I see a potential problem occurring.

Good enough?

I have since un-ignored him. So yes, I can see his posts. I see he writes a lot. It's a pity that he's so young, otherwise I would love to have dealt with the situation more smoothly.

Devious, I sent you an email warning you about godmoding your way into the base. I ignored the fact that you didn't ask, you just phased right through the wall and popped up in front of the SG leader and started explaining how you're going to hold his homeworld hostage.

You didn't "evade" the attack. It just landed weakly in your coat collar, unable to penetrate even your clothing. Now a dodge, or miss due to an invisible bubble, that I could understand. The taunting from the tank behind you, the three zombies, two undead warriors, the lich and the wraith, the twelve robots in the bay, all pouring onto you at the same time and your response was to pick the needles from your jacket collar, and say "hmm, cute". Then you were going to repulse bubble all of us away to the wall. Right.

C'mon. Seriously. You screwed up. I still use you as an example of what not to do because honestly, I haven't ever seen such godmoding, though I don’t use your name because I had forgotten it.

I don't have anything against you personally, and wouldn't be opposed to RPing with you in the future, with respect to the fact that if you try anything remotely like that again, I'll do exactly the same thing, warn you privately once, and if you continue to act like that, I'll ignore you again.

As to the guy who's doing the play by play of the arena fight to beat up my master mind, you win. There's the corner.

A word on godmoding. I cannot stress enough how annoying this is. It really just gets me pissed when someone is trying to write AGAINST you and not with you.

I once had a guy come into my thread, and write himself just popping into the middle of a supergroup base and taking on the entire supergroup, entirely immune to their attacks. When a level 50 poison MM shoots paralysis at you, you don't pick the needles out of your jacket collar and go "mmm cute".

That's kind of like saying that you are immune to lvl 50 attacks. I even tried to warn him, but he insisted that using repulsor bubble wasn't god moding. Not what I was arguing about. I was arguing about ignoring the fifty attacks on him as if he were in a Bradley being attacked by four year olds with nerf bats. "It's really darling the way you're trying to hurt me, but I'm uber god". Yeah, right, see you in the arena.

Further, I think it really enhances the story to see the superheroes and villains be vulnerable to attack. OK, you've just been taunted by their tank, how does that look from the villian's perspective? Is he afraid of the tank and trying to destroy it first to prevent more damage? Is he angry at it because it said something about his mother?

You've been hit with noxious gas, how does your character react? Heck, even throw in inspirations as part of it. For one character they're spells, for another they're part of a automedpack on his hip. So many options to make the characters vulnerable yet still superheroes. Even superman had weaknesses.

And being indestructable and all powerful unless someone has a peanut butter, tunafish and special salt only found on the sea of Kxkehtk, off the shoulder of Orion, doesn't count. Overcoming adversity is the point of drama. If you're invulnerable and all powerful, there's no drama, you just win. Congratz you win, now go sit in the corner.