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Quote:That is simply accusatory. The burden remains on your to support that claim. That is the second time you have made it without supporting argument. I'm COO of a one company, a professional consultant at $300.00 USD/hr, and owner of my own small business (been so for over 7 years). I have positive national ratings (U.S.) in communications and sales. I've been third ranked in an international organization with regards to legal compliance issue. I've had formal experience and training in business management organization going back decades. The evidence isn't consistent with your assertion.Originally Posted by Brillig
This does not exclude the demonstrated fact that you have no business acumen.
The communication channel was carefully considered after examination of its technical and legal nature. Novel use does not automatically mean improper use. The medium actually even has an open category for special communication. I would not have reported my use of it if I had cause to believe that it was improper, misguided, or embarrassing. It served its purpose and did so quite well. -
Quote:Actually those tickets are official channels of communication with the organization. They are also logged with copies sent to all parties. The kind of thing needed in court.Originally Posted by I Burnt The Toast
LOL apparently support tickets are not meant to be used as official communications regarding the purchase of the IP.. Who knew!?!?!
And this is the "proof" that NCSoft fails to communicate with established businesses...and people wonder why the SAVE team is seen as a bunch of amateurs? Go figure.
That lil bit of info discredits the SAVE team more than anything I have seen posted by them. Heck you could have even used the sunset email address, their real email addy, or even a phone call, but instead you chose to use an in-game support button to back up your claim that NCSoft won't discuss selling. Ok.
Given that I've successfully filed lawsuits in U.S. Federal court, and that I'm the writer of the Plan z license agreement (notice that one of the persons to use it is a practicing attorney) I might know a thing or two about this kind of stuff. Matter of fact I've been a consultant to attorneys and have a small business of my own with a senior municipal judge as a client. As a professional consultant my going rate is $300.00 USD/hr.
Legally it is proof that they refused to communicate about the issue of sale. I do this for a living. How about you?
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Quote:Actually I've worked in business management at the local, national, an international levels. I used the ticket to resolve an in-game issue tooOriginally Posted by Brillig
You tried to inquire about the purchase of the game through an in-game ticket?
And because you didn't get anywhere, you concluded that there was no way to proceed?
Honestly, stuff like this is why none of you gets taken seriously, you're so completely lacking in even the most basic business acumen.
I could have also used a phone call, an email, a telex (anyone still use those?), a fax, or any of a number of direct channels to the organization. Just because a channel is being used in an atypical fashion does not matter as long as I'm contacting an employee who has knowledge of any part of the company structure. The important part of those tickets is that they provide a tracking mechanism which I was taking advantage of. When a company employee refuses to even give you a better point of contact that's a red flag. As a consequence I have a direct statement in writing about that which I could take to my CEO. The first step in these negotiations is finding out the right person to talk to. If the target organization denies this basic information at any level then forward momentum is halted. I've been doing this stuff for decades and I have never been so stonewalled. I could have walked into their corporate offices looking like a bum and had a better response. -
Quote:It's an unfortunate reality that for this project, or any other, that depends on creating a supportive user base needs to advertise. It's proper to ask questions about its viability. That is part of "caveat emptor". But to attack it as having no viability in the absence of evidence is of questionable merit.Originally Posted by Another_Fan
Not buying the plan isn't heckling. What is being heckeled are the attempts to sell the plan.
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Quote:The burden of proof is on the accuser. The accuser must prove his or her argument with evidence and logical statement. This is well established principle.Originally Posted by Angry_Citizen
By all means, prove me wrong.
That statement is a little confusing. Are you speaking of Plan Z, or my company? My company is a financial backer of Plan Z. We have our own financial backing.Quote:Originally Posted by Angry_Citizen
But since you don't have a financial backer, and consequently your income stream will be precisely nil until the game is completed, you have a catch-22.
What is your experience with venture capital?
Proof? According to that circular reasoning no game could exist. I can create a game using rocks, sticks, and dirt. "Go" springs to mind. Originally played with rocks on the ground. It's considered as sophisticated as chess in game theory.Quote:Originally Posted by Angry_Citizen
You can't make a game without money, and you can't get money without a game.
Historically it's been done quite often. It just takes continued motivation and planning.Quote:Originally Posted by Angry_Citizen
Good luck overcoming even that.
I didn't claim to have investors. I brought the games shutdown to my CEO's attention. We discussed it. With permission I tried to establish channels of negotiation with NCSoft. Their representative refused to talk. I have the correspondence. I used the odd channel of an in-game ticket to do it. A bit unorthodox, but still legitimate. I could have tried other channels, but the response was quite unusual and I read the situation as unfriendly to further contact. The summary of my inquiry was to ask for a more proper channel and what the communication was about. If there was a path for further negotiation available then the response would have been to direct me to the correct, specific contact. They could not even do that. NC Soft had placed a wall against any communication about the game, it's closing, or any future purchase options.Quote:Originally Posted by Angry_Citizen
Sincerely. If it's as professional as you claim, then there won't be too many times that I'll be more glad to be proven wrong. But given the number of people who have claimed to have "investors" ready to purchase CoH from NCSoft, or some other silly claim that turned out to be a rumor, you'll forgive the skepticism. -
Quote:Thanks. The circumstances are sad. I really enjoyed my time with the game. I had really good friends there. In fact I used it to show my CEO what a MMORPG was capable of.Originally Posted by JKedan
Welcome to the ruins of our once proud civilization, Avel.
Enjoy your stay.
Our flagship project is a city based game as well. CoH was a perfect model.
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Quote:True. Detailed bone fides were not provided. And I was quite aware that might be a point of criticism that could not be helped. I have shown as much accountability in my previous posting as I reasonably could at this time.Originally Posted by Evil_Legacy
hmmm so they came all the way over here for their first post about evidence and stuff, yet, there is no evidence that he is even who they say they are and kind of look like an account created by one of those people over there. There is no numbers about what they tried to ffer, expecially since they are supposed to be one that made an offer, didnt even mention the corporation name. What they are ashamed to be a sponsor or dotn want to name a company and someone just happens to look them up and find out it was some poster pulling people's leg.
A lot of details missing for a post that is talking about details missing in other people's postings.
I'm not trying to attack this person or the statements at all, just saying something looks a bit fishy here.
Then again, it might just be me.
I intentionally didn't mention the company name here. I'd have to clear that with my CEO first and make sure I'm not violating forum rules concerning advertising. My company name is quite proudly posted on the Titan forums. I had full permissions there. I can only post as myself and speak in generalities about my company.
I didn't provide numbers because NCSoft simply refused to talk. Number tossing only begins when there are clear channels of communication. They refused to respond to serious inquiries. End of story.
I've been playing CoH off and on since I3. I'm at a loss as to why I had to re-register my forum ID since I swore I had created one years ago. I've never been frequent here other than to mostly lurk - I was more concerned with playing the game than talking about it. -
I AM a programmer. Been so for over 30+ years. I've also had a connection in some capacity to either the gaming or entertainment industries for nearly as long.
I'm also the IT lead/COO for a startup game software company. In fact I was one of the company reps that tried to talk to NCSoft about buying out the City of Heroes game.
We are also one of the corporate sponsors and contributors for this Plan Z project, and I'm sure there will be others.
We have already assembled a pool of professional programming, art, voice, sound, etc. talent with extensive histories in the game software industry.
Several of the contributors to this forum thread have launched attacks on the members of this project or the project itself. None of these people have credentials that I've seen in the gaming industry. None of these people have made claims supported by objective evidence - generally what has been asserted as argument has been entirely ad hominem. As a consequence, by definition, all such assertions have been merely accusatory and not sustainable criticisms. The net result is to make these individuals appear to be trollish even if "being a troll" is not their intent. Unfortunately this site lacks any real moderation at this time and it is doubtful that there will be any before this web site ceases to operate in less than a month.
I will say that the contributors from the Plan Z project haven't been completely stellar in their postings here either - and for the same reasons I mentioned earlier.
To post claims without objective argument or evidence is a failure in accountability and simply means the poster is not operating in a rational manner. In shore they make themselves appear to be fools and idiots; a condition I doubt actually exists. To avoid this cease making accusations or replying to the same.