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Quote:Nahhh it's moved on to discussing comic book man love.Originally Posted by Westley
Let's please keep the discussion where it needs to be, the EULA.
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Quote:I lol'd at work.Originally Posted by Golden Girl
It's our civil right to focus on any comment we like
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And moving on back to the serious stuff in this thread:
What would be Charles and Wolverine be?
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Quote:No I keep focusing on the OVERALL POSTING STYLE (i quit, civil liberties, "last straw" rage) which pretty much makes folks ignore the privacy issue.Originally Posted by Mr. DJ
you keep focusing on the civil right comment and ignoring the privacy issue that has several people concerned, which is the bigger issue than his misuse of civil rights.
Which as a vet he KNOWS how to start a discussion so it doesn't devolve into nonsense.
Just saying.
EDIT: Yep moving on to the stuff this thread is now really about: COMIC BOOK MAN LOVE -
Quote:Not when the trollish original post was already made and let stand for a looooong period of time. Folks couldn't care less once it's past the first page, as most DON'T go back to read the edited Original Post.Originally Posted by Mr. DJ
He could have let Zwill just lock the thread or just nuke it from orbit (since that's the only way to make sure). Judging from the edit allowed to the OP, there is room for a civil discussion.
Not justifying the troll, but everybody at some point needs to get over themselves.
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Quote:Errr, he's already admitted that he knew his civil right remark was troll bait and not seriously part of ANY bigger issue. He stated he KNEW he was using it incorrectly to get an emotional response (aka trolling) . . . soooo, yeah has nothing to do with his main concerns.Originally Posted by Mr. DJ
Knowing somewhat how Westley thinks, I'm not surprised, he doesn't think like most normal people and understandably so.
I didn't bat a eyelash at his civil rights remark, since that was only a fragment of a bigger issue that he and other people have.
Which once again UberGuy stated in a classier way. Had he posted in the style Uber did right off the bat, this thread probably wouldn't have devolved as quickly as it did into "when will he quit again?" "comic book man-man love" "rules lawyering" and other such things.
Shouldn't be surprised that troll bait gets trollish responses. -
Quote:Where's Technobot Alpha when you need him?Originally Posted by The_Spad_EU
I've always been a fan of the coveted "Double Facepalm"
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Quote:To be honest some of the stuff that goes on on Unleashed wouldn't pass muster here. And some comments made there could be construed as racist. Doesn't mean I agree with that idea that everyone there is.Originally Posted by Mr. DJ
not delusional, just persistent
I probably would have passed this thread over if I didn't come across the post making a blanket comment of people on Unleashed being "racist for the sake of being racist."
But it surprises you in a thread that start off asking to be a troll thread?
LOL. That is all.
AKA: Don't start the thread off in d-bag ville and expect it to get out of it. Welcome to the Internet.
EDIT: I will say that it got a nice response from Zwill which cleared some things up and showed that the paranoia in the OP wasn't justified and showed once again that there are better ways to state a concern than posting like a troll (See UberGuy's way of posting concerns). /shrug -
Any way back to our discussions of man love:
I'm surprised no one has come up with silly joined names like "Brangelina" for some of these pairings.
C'mon folks you can do better for a troll thread. -
Quote:What do you call two women? WOMAN-LOVE? SHE-LOVE?Originally Posted by Golden Girl
Both terms work fine
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Quote:Pretty much this. As a long time player Westly KNOWS the type of style that will get an actual discussion going.Originally Posted by TerraDraconis
If you wanted a serious debate you shouldn't have used the "I'm quitting bit" in your original post. That set it up as simply trolling and not a desire for a serious discussion and setup the mockery. Had you simply posted the original post and said you where concerned it would have gone more the way you claim to have wanted it to go.
he posted in the manner he did in the OP and is surprised the thread devoled into a troll thread?
yep trolling.
EDIT: Also he posted saying he used the term incorrectly to get an emotional response, but is surprised that the RATIONAL response he got was folks saying he didn't know what he was talking about in the way he used the term incorrectly.
Yep trolling.
Also is my memory off, but isn't ADMITTING that you were trolling basically an actionable (aka forum temp ban) offense if the mods choose to exercise that option? (A couple of other things in this thread are too, but lets leave that alone for now. lol) Though since his posting privileges are about to run out kinda pointless to actually ban him. -
Turning on my laptop now.
Thanks!
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Quote:You obviously haven't been reading the thread.Originally Posted by Dark Sweater
Welcome to the world of semantics. People will argue for days what a particular combination of words means, even though it doesn't matter in the least, even though different people have a different understanding of it, and even though it's not directly related to the post. It's the easiest thing to do. Someone comes up with a detailed post containing ideas and titles it "Freedom? Hardly". Why waste time discussing details and ideas? Let's just discuss the word "Freedom".
People disagreeing with you and saying that the options they have in place now for free vs premium vs VIP IS in fact discussing details. Just cause they don't agree with your point of view doesn't mean they aren't discussing the topic at hand. -
Quote:Ummm no they won'tOriginally Posted by Nyx
I have to leave for 2 months because of other duties/(surgery) that require my attention and therefore I have to go premium...Im assuming since I bought absolutely all of my purchases retail or through the game store.
But since I wont be home, I wont have the ability to sign on...which I also assume means that the things I already have will be stripped...ripped, and broken when I try and sub again.
Which means Im losing my appeal
Unless I completely misunderstand the process we JUST TESTED when you resub everything is just as when you unsubed. -
Quote:compared to the rest of the population of nearly 100K at the time, no not really.Originally Posted by Noyjitat
It's not been reverted for the same reason alot of other things are never reverted. They don't listen. Oh they hear things right, but action isn't always taken. You can only ignore customer feedback for so long before people pack up and leave and thats what these folks did. I think 4 - 5 accounts paying yearly subs is more than diddly squat if you ask me. that's over 500$ a year worth of revenue lost from just one person.
The number of pvpers they were set to loose wasn't nearly high enough for them to put off implementing I13 pvp. They had plenty of time to do so.
Getting back on topic, I'd rather they actually fix pvp then add another useless zone that spreads out the CURRENTLY THIN pvping population even more. -
Quote:This is SECOND time today I have lol'd at work and my co-workers are looking at me funny.Originally Posted by Arcanaville
That makes this observation about as relevant as saying a successful barbeque attempts to infuse smoke into the meat.
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Quote:I will agree that that marketing hasn't done a very good job with the pages that describe the system. Then again it's Marketing, so what do you expect.Originally Posted by Obsidius
Alright, it's time for me to put my serious face on
Part of the problem is that the uninitiated have to do a bit of research in order to understand a direct comparison between CoH: Freedom and other games. As can be seen above, I can't even allude to other games. It's against the forum policy. So new players who want to have a true understanding as to why CoH: Freedoms system is better than someone else's will have to do a lot of research on their own. Digging through feature matrices, spreadsheets, comparing web pages, etc.
Marketing may have already done plenty of research, but are they doing a good enough job of stating that their Paragon Rewards system is superior to similar MMOs in the genre? On the Freedom page they do a fine job of comparing it against the current Vet Rewards system, which means nothing to a new player shopping around. It's a tricky avenue for Marketing, but even just stating that the Paragon Rewards system is a unique system to City of Heroes for permanently unlocking game features for Premium and VIP players alike would help emphasize it's importance without having to do a direct comparison to competing MMOs.
(and no I'm not sorry Black Pebble)
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Quote:I lol'dOriginally Posted by je_saist
She's only got two shenanigans.
On the other hand, those are some REALLY big shenanigans.
(and no, I'm NOT sorry)
At work
My co-workers are looking at me like I'm nuts.
that is all.
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Quote:hell dealing with Mother Mayhem and all her shenanigans will be bad enough!Originally Posted by Benchpresser
Even more to the point.. if Cole ever achieves his goal and the threat of Hami on Praetoria is removed.. he may try to 'reign in' his more crazy Praetors.. that will be a VERY ugly civil war.
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LOL WUT?!
Okay that wasn't a bad read at all.
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Quote:A returning player who doesn't subscribe gets more than someone who is trying to play for free. They SHOULD NOT get anywhere near what a VIP has access to.Originally Posted by Obsidius
TBH, IMPO, etc., etc., The Paragon Reward system is appealing towards new players, but leaves something to be desired for returning vets. It gives an edge vs that other MMO, but I'm not sure how much pull it's going ot have towards bringing former subscribers back, especially if they din't already invest X amount of time into the game previously just so they can use /tell when they return to Freedom.
I know it wasn't Aura's intent to say that NCSoft's market research nullifies any qualms we have about the system, but they way I read Lost Ninja's post, well, it's a poor rebuttal to Manoa's argument. I kinda feel the same way as Manoa does, personally. -
Quote:The saaarrrrcasm is strong in this one.Originally Posted by Obsidius
Got it. OK everyone, that settles it! We can now end this debate and rest any qualms we have with this system knowing full well that any objections and negative observations have been fully nullified by NCSoft's thorough market research Debate over!
I find it funny that everything you just posted has nothing to do with what I said.
But the sarcasm was fun though.
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Quote:Yes. Never argued they shouldn't do that. Just pointed out that there is no magic bullet the devs can ever use to get more folks to play villains if they don't want to.Originally Posted by Techbot Alpha
No, but they can make it more fun for Villain players. Isn't that the point of a game?
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Quote:That's not what I got from his post. What I got is that NCSOFT/PS have done the research on various models, and thus based their decisions on what to gate behind that research.Originally Posted by Obsidius
Thanks for harping on Manoa for guessing on what NCSoft's goals are, and then guessing on what NCSoft's goals are. Brilliant! It's the battle of guesswork and empirical data!
There's no guessing in knowing that. They've come out and flat out told us they did. -
Quote:Agreed.Originally Posted by SwellGuy
All of their stuff isn't gone, they just have limited access unless they unlock things. Some of that will require more money but still less than the full sub. If they don't want to pay anything and don't like that they cannot access everything the problem is theirs.
The point of this is to get folks to feel the undying, STRONG urge to re-sub or sub for the first time.
Not to give them the same experience they had while subbed for free.
I don't get why some folks have completely missed the point of COH Freedom.