Another_Fan

Then maybe you need to start, I hear they have some things that help with reading comprehension and attention deficit disorder.

The cap works for teams because it makes the blaster more desirable. While a brute or scrapper has greater the independence from the team, the blaster would contribute more in the teamed circumstance.

This seems appropriate, the blaster is more dependent on the team it should do more with the team.

Edit: the difficulty to reach the cap solo is also a little questionable, but that is the way many people play.

Lets take your case that I am reading as 2 minutes ? you are using 8 purples.

12 reds cuts that down to 1 minute or less fight, usually considerably less because you have a greater effective dps that exceeds the rate the eb regenerates at. So you can have 12 red, 2 break free = status protection for the full time, 2 greens, and 4 lucks to cap.

Also if there is a spawn surrounding the eb, being at the damage cap means you can wipe them out in the first few seconds instead of having to deal with them while fighting the eb. The shorter they are in the fight the less harm they can do you

Its not something I have high on my list either, but if you asked me if a global damage bonus that ramped up as I attacked would be a good fix for an AT that lives and dies by burst damage, I would have laughed.

Just what am I supposed to reply to ?

Just what is it you are saying I said ?

As to an increase in the damage cap on teams she isn't even remotely close to correct. If you want to argue that a 40% buff to potential damage output for blasters isn't big or great, I just hope you have prescription for the dope you are taking.

Back to the original exchange

Just to restate the initial exchange, and to include the clarification

So now where does the higher cap help you ?

If a fight has sent you to the hospital and you are packing your insp tray to get past it

4 lucks, will cap your defense
4 sturdy may or may not put you near it
12 enrage will put you over the damage cap
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20 insps = 1 tray

depending on the fight I would likely prefer breakfrees to orange

If you have eye of the magus you don't need the lucks or the oranges if you don't have it you should make the effort to get it

2 breakfree
2 respites
16 enrage
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20 insps = 1 tray

For the sake of argument lets use 30 seconds for the duration of the original fight and that you had 4 lucks and 2 reds active but still died.

Setting the base dps as 1 before enhances and buffs and assuming the blaster leads with aim and buildup

in first first fight the blaster does 90 units of damage

30 base damage
30 enhances
15 from aim and build up 9 seconds active for aim 10 for buildup
15 2 enrage
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90

If they down 12 reds while at the cap

30 base
30 enh
90 enrage
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150 units

If the the cap is raised to 700% they do 165 units


30 base
30 enh
90 enrage
15 2 enrage
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165 units

Edit: cases with musculature using t4 enhancement and 33% as the effective benefit

100 units initial case
150 units no raise in cap 12 reds
175 units for 700% cap

So in the case of tough battles the blaster would be able to put out roughly 16% more damage if you consider the period while aim and build up are active only its a nearly 40% increase in those first 10 seconds

If you don't feel being able to do an additional 40% damage while pumping out the initial aoes is significant, I am at a loss to try and explain further

No

What you are referring to is a discussion of weather or not raising the damage cap would be beneficial for a solo blaster. The answer is yes, of course its beneficial, the devil is in just how beneficial.

If you think blasters are performing poorly because they can't go 5 feet in a mission without faceplanting then raising the cap doesn't help much. If you think they perform well except for particularly difficult encounters then raising the cap lets them meet those challenges.

How many times do you fight melissa in a mission ? Operative whoever ? vanessa devore and her entourage ?

Its not that hard to keep the resources you need for the fight you know you will have to face.

I wasn't aware that inspirations were going to be available for RMT in freedom. Just one more reason not to like that I suppose.

6 small insps away at the moment, 14 for the 700% limit. With remote auction house, there is a potential reservoir of 160+ insps available to everyone.

Indeed.

You may want to think that through a little more. Higher damage caps would be exceptionally useful to both solo blasters, and ones on teams with large amounts of buffs.

In the former case they would be able to achieve higher levels of self buffing, do deal with difficult spawns. Earlier in the thread you spoke of giving blasters a tier 9 or tier 10 power that would let blasters go completely nuts, well 40% more damage output for the cost of burning most of your insps or being able to peak much higher for fewer insps but in 10 second bursts is exactly that.

It also adds a nice element of skill in terms of good insp management and making a decision about when 10 second bursts are needed and when the max amount of time is needed.

In the case of teams with ginormous buffs the desirability of the blaster, and particularly the blapper is increased. They would be able to use those buffs instead of having them go to waste or having to waste their inherent buffs.

I would agree about preferring the increase in base damage. One way or another blasters are all about the preemptive strike.

The nonexistence of the highly optomized teams in the game is contradicted by both observation and actions the devs have taken. The 7 merit eden, shows pretty clearly that people put together core teams built to be well optimized and then filled with people so they could start the trial.

*Capitation might not be the word you want to use ? perhaps limit ?

And in terms of +damage blasters fair very badly here as well. They have a 500% percent damage cap, they can achieve 410/500 of that without musculature all by themselves (100% base damage+100% enhancements+50% defiance+160%)

Before musculature they can absorb an additional 90% base damage after its 60%. Somehow it just seems wrong that the "DAMAGE" at gets so little from outside damage buffs.

The point is that the percentage of time you are doing damage is mostly irrelevant.

If you have someone that is doing 150 dps but doing it as a single attack of 450 once every 3 seconds, then spends 2 seconds standing there, its no different then someone who attacks every second for 150.

On most of the blasters I play Aim, and Build Up are available every 25 seconds or less. I like to lead with them.

Good use of the word "can".

Sounds like a personal problem

Take the case of a blaster without a damage aura or pets, during the time the team is engaged, they spend time self buffing, using insps, avoiding/shedding aggro. If they are just using aim and buildup as often as possible they are doing damage only 80-90% of the time.


Controllers can actually be doing damage 100% with their pets (if they can keep them alive). Corruptors and Defenders turn the team into their damage by either buffing them or debuffing the enemies.

Blasters do damage 100 percent of the time ? You are sure of this ?

Controllers and defenders can't do damage as much of the time as blasters do ? You are sure of this ?

The percentage of time you are doing damage is important why ?

P.S. in that analogy I didn't specify any ats, and the only time applicable was damage done per unit time. It doesn't matter why B was doing half the damage, just that he did half the damage/unit time

I actually used a lower number for that. 160% damage bonus was the effective bonus for anything that could be killed in 9 seconds or less, 70 % was was for someone that was only able to keep defiance at a 40% level and was using aim and build up but not particularly well.

Pick any 8 and see if there is a point where the meter stops counting deaths.

"COH is so easy that AT doesn't matter.', what you are in effect saying is CoH is so easy it doesn't need to balanced.

I am sorry this hurts you so much you need to lash out.

Edit: I don't expect an honest response from you for this, but let me ask whats triggering this ? Is it that your main is a fire/fire and you are being confronted with the idea that what you thought was great, just isn't ?

Is it that when you built it and fell in love with it, it was measured as being the worst performing AT ?

I just came off a league that failed the B.A.F 4 times in a row ( I was only there for 2). If the leader had of done a little Kentucky windage in creating the teams and balancing I am sure we all would have had more fun.

I can see how you could get that, there are all kinds of subthreads in this thread, and I wasn't particularly clear that my focus was overall performance.

Terrible is a loaded term.

It would be more precise to say they don't bring any more to teams than the other direct or primarily damage dealing ATS but have more limitations and difficulties than they do.

I prefer corruptors or defenders as team mates.

No you just didn't read the full thing on how in her opinion it in no way moved them out of last place.

Numbers don't do it for you

The fact that the devs datamined that blasters were the worst performers of all the ATS

http://boards.cityofheroes.com/showt...nt#post3695810

The fact that for some reason most people that make blasters stop playing them and or delete them doesn't do it for you

You can't demonstrate the things you claim, You can't cite a single case of someone doing so

Just what would convince you ?