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Quote:That would be a community founded byIt will never be the same community. It will be a new community born from the"death" of the original. You can choose to be a part of that or stand on the sidelines, commenting how it isn't like the original - and you'll miss out on being part of the foundations of that community.
Your choice.
1, The people who couldn't stand the idea anyone would be able to buy celestial armor. (god forbid anyone not t9 look good)
2. The people who cheered Posi going ******* over AE and taking badges away from people (whats a 100 hours effort to a badger)
3. Rationalized the devs changing store bought items after they had been purchased (What you expected to get what you paid for ?)
4. Whenever there was a nerf, rush to justify it and deny those affected any right to compensation.
5. The same people who could with a straight face tell their "Friends" CoH is healthy when it went from over 200,000 subs to somewhere around 30,000 - 40,000
The CoH community that was great was the one in the game, not the one on the forums. -
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Not buying the plan isn't heckling. What is being heckeled are the attempts to sell the plan.
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Quote:That paragraph has the ring of truth.I think you over-estimate the impact the success or failure of Plan Z will have. I don't think there will be anything spectacular about its failure at all. In fact, my guess is, it will disappear gradually, with the majority of people (at least those currently on this board) not even aware that it went away.
Despite the ignorance of people that should know better. This isn't the first time players have decided to "Save their Game" it won't be the last and in no way shape or form has it changed the way companies shut games down.
In the past you have had exactly the same "We won't let it die, we will revive it ourselves attitude". Exactly the situation you describe prevails. These games are escapes from reality, pleasant dreams that must be put aside with morning's blazing light of reality. -
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You know I loved your last clip on the ending of CoH.
Let me ask you a question. How many man hours did it take you to make that clip ??
Now how many man hours would it take if you had to do all the artwork from scratch ? Had to come up with all the animations ? Write the engine that put all that into 3D rendering ? Deal with scripting the physics and collision effects ? Oh recreate the formulas for a combat system that never worked correctly in the first place ?
Think on that and then you might understand how anyone who actually does understand what Plan Z entails chuckles. If they are lucky the might go from concept to in the can in less time than it took "The Works".*
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Quote:Tabloid reporting ?And continued to ignore it.
Thank you for your continued devotion to your tabloid reporting.
The people you talk about never saw a problem in anything the devs did with this game. NEVER. When the devs were forced by overwhelming weight of failure to change or fix things they would both change their positions and forget they were ever anything else so speedily Winston Smith would boggle at it.
You are correct. Their capacity to ignore absolutely anything is truly stupendous. They ignored the fact that people rejected the changes they endorsed in this game. They ignored the fact that the games revenues had and continued to decline and called this healthy despite the fact other MMOs even older ones had managed to grow with the greater acceptance of computer gaming.
There is nothing short of the complete logical breakdown associated with religion that can explain how anyone could look at CoHs sales and say "But we were doing so well". I mean my gawd Comic book charcters and interest in superheros are at their absolute zenith and this game couldn't get any upswing from that ? If that doesn't let you know it had deep problems nothing will. -
Yes I mean it's not like you can tell if a movie is a success after the first week. How much has GW2 sold ? 100 million ? 150 Million ? sounds like failure to me.
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Quote:Can you point to the posts or threads or comments that support this? I'll give you some time. When you can't come back with a quote or a link to support that I'll have some ice packs ready for your burn.
How are your efforts to thwart the unicorn invasion going over there ?
Oh I suppose that was just lighthearted tom foolery not full on insanity. -
Quote:Becoming ?? BECOMING ??And conveniently ignored my followup to that post. Further convincing me the metaphor was intentionally ignored so it could be used it to say that Titan is becoming a religious cult.
For 8 years these people have insisted that every bad decision made concerning this game was for the best. They insisted that every group of people that left the game was for the best. Now, they find that NCsoft doesn't care to have them around and they are shocked and upset that they aren't receiving proper consideration ? -
You do understand the GW business model ? They have succeeded in their system and are now making plans for inexpensive to produce expansions and the budget for GW3.
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Quote:Oh just following up on the implications of Tim comparing their community to Noah and the ark.TonyV hasn't even posted on Titan in over a week now....
Quote:After you were admitted to the union I realized they had lowered the standards and by default I had ascended
Enjoy your ascent, hope it isn't an ascent the same way you lot described CoH as healthy and doing well. -
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Quote:No it will be a community run by the nuttiest of the nutty. A true case of the inmates taking over the asylum.It will never be the same community. It will be a new community born from the"death" of the original. You can choose to be a part of that or stand on the sidelines, commenting how it isn't like the original - and you'll miss out on being part of the foundations of that community.
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Quote:Makes my point that we had a case of the gamblers con going on*. You had a very large base come in and what was left were just the people that didn't see failures as failures.When a petition to Save CoH is sitting at less than 22k signatures after 2 months....I can see why people are saying that the movement is small. 22k people is not a large number for a game that has had what... 500,000 total players in it's life? So only 5% of the people who have EVER played CoH could be bothered to go click a few buttons in a 2 month period? Even with the "massive" amounts (their words not mine) of coverage the movement has had...directing people to the petition...still 22k??
*The gamblers con, is a swindle where you make yes/no predictions to an initial large amount of people. You always divide the set of marks in two groups and make opposing predictions to each group. At the end, you have a group of devout believers who are easily fleeced. -
Quote:That is the real nail in the coffin. If you were to buy CoH now you would need to staff up and then spend at least a good 3-6* months while the new people learned the codebase, before you could even start moving forward.Honestly... yeah I have kind of given up. The final nail in the coffin was when I learned that all of the game's staff have moved on and gotten jobs elsewhere. Once you hit that point, there isn't any coming back.
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Originally Posted by Chad Gulzow-Man
If you could still find a mod, that might actually mean something. Until then, I just calls 'em like I sees 'em.
The funny thing is at least Arcanaville got paid for astroturfing, not that you could ever pay anyone enough to clean up the Posi Droppings or deliberately mislead pvpers that things would be coming their way. For most of these people they won't even get the pat on the head from the devs they crave.
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Quote:I don't see anyone not wanting them to succeed.There's a big difference between "talking about things you don't like" and outright disrespecting people.
I honestly don't think "Plan Z" will succeed. Even if it does succeed, there's little chance my old Mac will be able play it, so it's not really a replacement for CoH.
But that doesn't mean I don't wish them the best of luck and hope they do succeed.
I don't understand why people would outright not want them to succeed, or mock them for daring to try to make a game that captures some of the spirit of CoH.
(Of course, all of those same people are the ones that keep telling me I can play a Bots/Storm Mastermind or an Earth/Earth Dominator on all sorts of games, and those other games are even better than CoH, so I guess I shouldn't be that surprised)
What I see is a few people being accurate about its chances and people that violently react to the assessment.
Quote:(Of course, all of those same people are the ones that keep telling me I can play a Bots/Storm Mastermind or an Earth/Earth Dominator on all sorts of games, and those other games are even better than CoH, so I guess I shouldn't be that surprised) -
Quote:There's nothing unrealistic about that 'delusion' these days.
http://www.cinemablend.com/games/EA-...zon-40885.html
The delusion isn't that the companies have people to manage their image. It's that NCsoft cares about what the Titan Network people do with the possible exception of reading the boards to see if they need to send a C&D letter for the emulator. -
I really enjoyed their thread about the invasion of ncsoft sponsored unicorns. Had to wonder if they would be issuing secret decoder rings soon
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Quote:YeahIf you could still find a mod, that might actually mean something. Until then, I just calls 'em like I sees 'em.
Before now I am sure you would have just been a whiny loser that would have pestered mods until they made the thread disappear. God forbid people talk about things you don't like -
Quote:I hope they enjoy it, looks like a fun B.S. session going on over there. It's also nice to see that they have something to take away from thisNot sure what your last line is referencing; Mercedes Lackey?? Granted I don't read every thread, but I have never seen her trying to get people to buy her books. For the most part I have no issues with ML; except for her kibun...don't get me started on that.
I go to that other site, but don't participate anymore. I simply read the threads and giggle to myself at the insanity that is seen as reality.