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Viv,
I only responded initially because your advertisement is inaccurate, as being the #1 SG on a server in all aspects involves more than any group can ever claim. If you refuse to understand or accept that--which clearly seems to be the case at this point--I'm not responsible for your lack of comprehension. We'll just agree to disagree on our interpretation of what really makes a SG/VG #1, and go on with our lives.
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Quote:Thanks, but I understood exactly what you meant. Unfortunately, that's not what your flyer says. Your flyer says "Grand Celebration Event of 'EE' becoming the #1 SG on Guardian" when, based on your intended purpose, it should be "...of 'EE' becoming the #1 Ranked SG on Guardian." The two statements are NOT the same.Hi again, Wulfman!
My goodness, who would have thought you'd come again so quickly. Welcome back!
Don't worry -- your opinion (to which you're certainly entitled) doesn't rain on anyone's parade.
I'll explain a little more clearly for you, since I think you didn't understand my last post.
I said the only system that exists in the game for ranking SuperGroups in the Game is the Top-100 list -- to which you agreed, but I think you don't seem to understand.
When we talk about Ranked SGs, or "Top 10", etc., that's what we're talking about. Their Rank on the Top-100 List.
I'm very happy for you if you feel your SG has mastered a given TF or Trial, and claim to be (or even are) the best at it. How awesome for your SG!
But ... that's not what we're talking about.
I'm also really happy if you feel your SG is great in PvP -- you should compete in the PvP Events we're throwing, win them all, and prove how awesome you are to everyone.
But ... that's not what we're talking about.
We're not trying to say that our SG is better than yours -- which clearly seems to be what you're thinking. My goodness, perish the thought that we would ever put down another SG, however small or large it may be! That's not our style at all. We're very happy for you and your SG to have (and enjoy) all the success that you can earn for yourselves.
However, we are the #1 Ranked SG on Guardian, and it is about reaching this point, after almost six years of effort, that we are celebrating. Just as we celebrated in 2009 reaching the Top 10, and in 2008 for reaching the Top 20.
When you speak about Rank there is only one arbiter -- the Top-100 List. QED.
I hope that is a little clearer?
-- Vivian
That may seem like a small, purely semantic difference to you, and for some people, I think it is. Likewise, I think most people know what you meant, even if it wasn't presented in writing the way you say it was intended. But words can convey incredibly powerful ideas and inferences, just as a lack of a word in the wrong place can change the meaning of a statement significantly.
My thinking is that, if you want to convey that you believe yourselves to be the #1 SG, feel free, but it's purely subjective, as you've pointed out yourself, and anyone can claim it. If you want to convey that you are the #1 ranked SG, that is objective and quantifiable, and should be stated as such. If anyone doubts it, they can verify it for themselves. Perhaps this concept would be better directed at whomever creates the next event flyer (if it's not you) for your group to ensure integrity in advertising.
Incidentally, I wasn't suggesting that our SG is the best in PvP. Far from it. But I know some groups, both on live servers and on test, that have earned the right--in combat--to claim the #1 PvP SG title. I was stating that we're the best raiding guild, and that's a fact, whether anyone cares to admit it or not. But both are, as you said, not what you're talking about. And it's not what I was talking about either.
The fact is you have a prefectly legitimate reason to celebrate. Accumulating the prestige necessary to claim the #1 ranking is a difficult feat, and takes dedication and patience for a significant number of people within your organization. The last thing that you or anyone else should want is for that celebration to be lessened because of inaccuracies in advertising or questionable claims.
I hope that is a little clearer for you. -
I don't know who attempted to spawn and take down Hami on Sunday. It wasn't TA, as we don't leave Hami standing once we spawn him. But whoever it was that made the attempt was only successful in the spawning part, so there is a Hamidon waiting for us tonight. If you have EoEs already, please bring them with you, as there will be no spawning before the raid for additional drops.
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Quote:Well, yes and no. The only system for ranking SGs or VGs currently in the game is based on how much prestige has been earned. That much is true. But it is NOT the only way of ranking groups--just the only way that is quantified. And considering how little importance is attached to it by a large portion of the SG/VGs out there, and how little they even attempt to accrue it, it's a faulty system, at best.Hi Wulfman --
Thanks for coming to the thread and sharing your thoughts with everyone.
The only system for ranking SG/VGs that exists in the game is the Top-100 list.
This is -- of course -- a celebration for becoming the #1 Ranked SG/VG on that list.
Just as our last celebration in 2009, for joining the "Top 10", referred to that list.
And as our celebration before that, in 2008, for joining the "Top 20" referred to it.
No one has ever ever before (I daresay) thought it would (or could) mean anything else.
Every SG considers themselves the "#1 SG" in terms of their circle, and that's fine.
But -- when referring to Ranked SGs -- the Top-100 List is the only arbiter.
I'm looking forward to seeing you and your SG at the event! Be well, take care!
-- Vivian
Not trying to rain on the parade, Viv, and I hope you all enjoy your event. If prestige matters to you, then it is, indeed, a significant accomplishment, and you deserve to be congratulated on it and to celebrate it. But claiming to be the #1 SG on any server--without qualification--because of a single factor that many ignore simply because it's the only quantifiable ranking system in place is stretching it to the point of absurdity.
There are groups that claim to be the #1 prestige group on a server. You can make that claim, and you should take pride in it. There are others who have earned the right thru trial by combat to claim the title of best PvP group. And I make no bones about the fact that TA is the best raiding guild in the game, bar none, and defy anyone to prove otherwise. But for me to say that we're #1 without qualifying in what aspect of the game we are #1 is, as I said, inaccurate, and a slap--intentional or otherwise--to other groups who are the best at what they do. -
You know, if you want to be accurate, you should state that you have achieved the #1 ranking in prestige on Guardian, and not the #1 SG, which is much more subjective. And considering that prestige is what you're basing it on, that seems the best way to describe it.
There are many SGs, including mine, that don't care one way or the other about prestige--especially considering the lower amounts necessary for keeping up a base nowadays. For many of those groups, it's more about being able to do the toughest things in the game consistently and at the highest level. For others, it's being the best PvP group or the best at something else. But to claim #1 status in general without qualifying the statement is in poor taste, not to mention inaccurate.
So congratulations on achieving the #1 SG in regards to earning prestige on Guardian, and I hope you have a great turnout for your event. But there are a lot of ways to define the #1 SG on a server, and prestige is only one. So let's please keep things in context. -
Thanks to everyone who came out to raid tonight. We had a reasonable spawn time followed by an efficient 16-minute raid, despite not having the best team balance for the strategy. Where in the world did all of the blasters come from tonight?
Special thanks, as always, to the support folks on my team, as well as to my team leaders: Danger Close, Ariel', Adam Lewis, Grim Maligne, and the Big Kielbosa. Outstanding work, as usual.
TA will not be leading a public raid next week, barring an unforeseen change of plans, in celebration of Christmas. So we'll see you in two weeks for the first raid of the new year! -
Guardian RWZ Raid will be going around 9 p.m. eastern on Monday night this week, courtesy of the Twilight Avengers. We form up at the Heartbreak Ridge marker, so hope to see you there.
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Thanks to everyone who joined the Twilight Avengers for the RWZ Raid tonight. As expected, the pylons went down quickly, as did six bombs and nearly every rikti in sight, and it was a nice incarnate shard and merit feast for everyone.
We will be occasionally sponsoring these or Hamidon raids on Monday nights, as our guild schedule allows. These will not conflict with the regular Hamidon raids we sponsor on Wednesday nights. Rather, with the alpha slot now unlocked, a lot of people seem to want to have a little more raiding. After all, there's always room for jell-o...and we know more about jell-o than Bill Cosby.
Stay tuned to the Guardian and Level 50 channels on Monday nights around 8:45 to find out if there's going to be a raid and where it will be. -
Yes, Servere...it's been going on at every one of our raids--both the public ones we sponsor and our private guild raids--for two issues at least now. We've petitioned it repeatedly, and get our rewards eventually. But it's a huge headache that needs to be addressed.
As for the raid tonight, the zone was full very early once again, and we had a decent spawn time followed by an efficient 14-minute raid. Thanks to everyone who came out to take part.
As always, a special thanks to the support folks on my team, along with my team leaders: Kiddygrade, Street Stalker, Fetushead, Sausage Toes, Gravifris, and Saint Andrew. Outstanding work, as usual!
I will also add one other note as both the Guild Leader of the SG that sponsors these raids as well as the person who has probably lead as many Hamidon raids as anyone else in the game. Occasionally, we have someone who participates that is not sure of what powers to use, or thinks they know and is actually incorrect. The people who are chosen as team leaders know what powers should be used, when they should be used, what you should leave off, and understand their team's role in the overall raid strategy. Participants on those teams do not help themselves or anyone else by arguing or doing their own thing. If you have questions about why something isn't wanted or needed, by all means ask. But if you need further clarification, wait until after the raid, and either they or I will take as much time as needed to explain. Realize that the team leaders have to focus on their tasks and the raid as a whole, and if you argue or verbally abuse them, they will have no choice but to ignore you or remove you from the team. We would prefer not to have that happen to anyone, so please work with us.
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Quote:This is the best place to hear about it, Unbound. We run them every Wednesday at 9:30 eastern, although, as you may have found this week, the zone fills up pretty quickly. So being early is a good idea. We will announce in the Level 50 and Guardian global channels from time to time, but we usually have enough in zone without doing so.Just wondering if there's a global Hami channel? Or if there is going to be a regular schedule for the Hami Raids? Last one (which, btw was my very first one) was amazing, so I'd hate to miss any of them.
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Thanks to those who came out for the first post-i19 public raid. The zone, as expected, was full more than 30 minutes early, including a number of toons that weren't ideal for raiding (but that people wanted shards on). Even so, we managed a fairly crisp 20ish minute raid.
Special thanks, as always, to the support folks on my team, as well as to the team leaders: Kiddygrade, Grim Maligne, Celtic Apparition, Clan Nurse, Street Stalker, and Rotting Omen. Nicely done, folks!
In response to the previous two posts:
Capa, I'm glad the instructions were clear. The macros I use in the Request channel are subject to updates, but I'm always open for feedback.
Servere, you are quite correct. If you are outside of the cyto when Hamidon goes down--even if you are holding aggro on a mito or on a support toon keeping those tankers alive--you will not get credit for the raid even if you have damaged the nucleus previously during the raid. This is a bug that I have been petitioning since two issues back, but the devs either don't want to make a change to fix the problem, aren't able to figure out how to do so, or don't find it important enough to warrant fixing. But if you petition with the server name, day, and time of the raid, they can datamine it and award you your shards or merits.
This does bring up a related issue, though, that I think is a bigger problem. The support folks on those aggro teams have a responsibility to keep their teammates buffed and healed--not to do damage to the mitos or the nucleus. But if those support toons do not personally damage the nucleus, not only will they NOT receive the reward when the Hamidon goes down, but they will not get credit for it EVEN IF THEY PETITION IT. We've had it happen several times, and the response they get from the devs is basically, "you didn't damage the nucleus, so you don't get credit for being a part of the raid."
This is just plain WRONG. The fact that this could even happen tells me that either the devs don't want support toons who are doing their job properly to get credit for raiding OR they don't know enough about the raiding experience to understand how necessary those support toons are. Since I can't imagine them admitting the former reason, I'm left with the reality that they either don't know their own game or they just don't care. Either way, they really need to fix the bug.
In the meantime, we're making a point of telling everyone on support toons or on the aggro team to get at least one damaging hit on the nucleus early on in the raid. If you don't, the devs will ignore that you were even there. We also want everyone who is affected by this to bug it every single time. If we bury them in enough complaints, maybe they'll finally get around to fixing it. -
Well, our guild decided to sponsor an impromptu raid this evening. And I'm happy to say that not only did folks turn out for it, but we set a new record for the fastest raid with a crisp 13-minute run.
Special thanks as always to my support person, as well as to my team leaders: Gravifris, Yukon Jello, Capt. Obvious, Kiddygrade, and Rotting Omen. Outstanding work, as always!
We are still planning to raid on Wednesday even if i19 drops tomorrow, as expected. So I hope to see you there! -
Quote:It's a possibility. We'll see how much the demand increases after i19 drops. We may just add a second night of the week at a different time to accomodate more West Coast folks.As always a well-organized and executed Raid. Many thanks for TA and Wulf.
I admit these runs are really late for me and I am often in bed but when I do get to them, they're always quick and easy.
Will you be running multiple runs back-to-back after i19? So everyone can pick up a HO, the merits and the shards on consecutive runs? -
Glad you enjoyed it, Auntie!
It was easy to enjoy this run...we had a quick spawn (only 5 DE went down before Hami appeared), and then followed that with a flat 15-minute raid. We were chatting and the Hive was mostly empty 25 minutes after the scheduled start time. Nice work by everyone involved.
As always, a special 'thank you' to the support folks on my team, along with my team leaders: Grim Maligne, Kiddygrade, Street Stalker, Celtic Apparition, and Ariel'. Outstanding work!
As of right now, I AM planning to raid next Wednesday even if i19 drops on Tuesday. After all, the Hamidon raid awards 4 incarnate shards, and I have a feeling that everyone is going to want to participate. If that plan changes, I'll post it here.
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Quote:Yes, there was a raid. Unfortunately, I was unable to be there to lead it due to a bad back, so one of my guild members took the lead. That's why I didn't post an update for it.Was there a Hamidon run last week?
There is usually a little blurb with how quickly you all took down Hamidon,
Also, will there be one this week? Seeing that it's the day before Thanksgiving, I just wanted to make sure it was still on so I can update the Facebook page.
Thank you.
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Thanks to everyone who came out for the raid tonight. We had a full zone and were able to get started a little early, which is a good thing, since we had a longer spawn. Still, once Hami showed up, we were able to take him down in 18 min or so despite having a LOT of damage (two full teams of scrappers) and significantly less debuff toons than normal.
Special thanks, as always, to the support folks on my team, along with my team leaders: Lyger Zero, Yukon Jello, Street Stalker, Vorador, Angelfyre, and Grim Maligne.
Hope to see you there next week! -
Thanks and congratulations to everyone who came out last night for the raid. We cut that record down to 14 minutes, after a reasonable spawn time. And believe it or not, I'm convinced we can shave another minute or two from that time.
A special thanks, as always, to the support folks on my team, along with my team leaders: Rotting Omen, Grim Maligne, Lyger Zero, Angelfyre, and Fake 'n Bake. You guys did outstanding work!
Hope to see you there next week! -
Thanks to everyone who came out this evening! Not only was the Hive full early, but we had a quick spawn, and then shattered the record for a no-temp public raid with a flat 15-minute raid!!
Special kudos as always to the support folks on my team, as well as to my team leaders: Angelfyre, Snausegez, Immortal XIII, Celtic Apparition, Street Stalker, and Saint Andrew. You guys were absolutely amazing tonight!
Hope to see you next week! -
Name: The Twilight Avengers
Servers: Guardian (heroes) and Pinnacle (villains)
Membership: variable, currently 45 active
Leader: Wulf (@Wulf 1, @Wulf 2, or @Wulf 3)
Requirements: Must have at least one toon at level 35 on one of the listed servers
Guild Type: Primarily Raiding, including Hamidon, Cathedral of Pain, and the RWZ, with a significant amount of PvE
Time of Play: 24-7
Website: www.twilightavengers.com
Despite others who claim the title, the Twilight Avengers are THE guild for raiding and end-game content on the Guardian and Pinnacle servers. We don't worry about some arbitrary ranking system based on prestige, which anyone can accumulate, since we have more than we'll ever need for the max-sized base we have on each server. Instead, we show our quality by tackling the most difficult things the game has to offer...and mastering them without shortcuts or temp powers.
You want to be able to raid the Hamidon effectively? We host weekly raids on the Guardian server, and have taken him down in as little as 9 minutes without nukes or any other temps. We have also hosted several successful villain raids on the Pinnacle server. And our weekly private guild raids have accomplished it even faster than that, and with significantly fewer people.
You want to succeed in the Cathedral of Pain? We've taken it down with our heroes in 7 minutes without any nukes, shivans, or other assistance.
You want to raid the RWZ? We do it efficiently and effectively, guaranteeing maximum merit drops for all concerned.
And the beautiful thing is that we can do all of these without any assistance from outside of our own guild, and do so on a regular basis.
This guild requires commitment, so it's not for everyone. But if you are interested in the highest quality gaming experience, are a high-quality person with the skills to match, and are ready for the best this game has to offer, come check us out at www.twilightavengers.com. -
Thanks again to everyone who came out for the raid tonight. We didn't have the best of team setups, but were still able to manage a 26-minute, no-reset raid.
Special thanks as always to the support folks on my team, along with my team leaders: Rotting Omen, Bountyhunt, Grim Maligne, Clan Nurse, and Celtic Apparition. Outstanding work, folks, as usual.
Hope to see you there next week! -
Quote:Not sure why you dislike brutes so much Capa :P Yes, a resistance based brute takes 3 times the dmg a similar tank would take (85% res cap vs 95%). However the extra HP and defense brought by a cold corr, along with several VEATs worth of buffs, can turn a single brute into monster. So IMO, a brute can do a tank's job AND bring way more DPS against Rularuu.
Just a small point of clarification here...both brutes and tankers have a 90% resistance cap. It's just harder for brutes to reach the cap because the armors are in a secondary powerset. If you're going to have resistance buffers on the team, however--like thermals and sonics--they can reach the same resistance cap as tankers can fairly easily.
You are correct that the HP is an issue, however, since the tanker cap is now significantly higher than a brutes, and it was already harder to get a brute near his HP cap anyway. But, as you mentioned, a cold corruptor or two can make a huge difference in that regard. -
Glad you guys enjoyed it. We do it every week unless otherwise posted here, so hope we'll see you there more frequently.
And, of course, if you're interested in doing that kind of raid on a regular basis (except on both redside and blueside and a little faster), you could always check out our guild at www.twilightavengers.com. We're always looking for high quality people who love to raid. -
Philosophy, the Twilight Avengers led those two successful redside public raids that DarkGob was talking about, as well as showing up to run a third that we didn't run because of a lack of turnout. The first two, though, were full zones with people at the door knocking to get in. We will likely sponsor others at some point in the future, if there is a continued interest.
As for the Hamidon Raid itself, our guild has continued to take him down on both Pinnacle and Guardian multiple times each week as we've always done. In fact, we sponsor blueside public raids on the Guardian server every Wednesday at 9:30 eastern, if you have a toon over there and want to participate. It only takes about 20 minutes from entry to reward when we run it, so it won't take much time out of your schedule if you want to experience a raid again. You'll need to show up by 9:15 in all likelihood, though, as the zone fills weekly.
And, as has been pointed out, many of the Hami enhancements aren't what they used to be. But there are certain ones (Enzymes, Membranes, and Ribosomes to name a few) that are still fairly popular (and expensive) because of the kinds of powers they go in or the kind/level of buff they give. Many of the folks in our guild take the 63 reward merits we get for completing the Hami raid in lieu of the Hami enhancements--at least I always do. But then, I've got two full enhancement bins of Hami enhancements in my base, waiting to be slotted, so I need the merits more.
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Quote:My guess is that they're using Warburg nukes and other temp powers, Kool. That's how most of the successful ones with the super-fast speeds have been able to succeed so easily. Based on the changes on the test server, however, it looks like they're not going to be able to do so for much longer.How long does it take yall to complete the CoP trial?
Theres an sg on freedom that does it in 10mins. I thought it was hard.
Our guild has defeated it in 14 minutes without any nukes or other temp powers, but it takes a lot of coordination to pull it off.