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"But still, is it just me or has the population deteriorated in a big way?"
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you asked this, then argue with everybody who has said, "no, it is just you"

what else do you want?

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Overstatement on my part. Based on my experiences I am sure that it is harder to find a team at the very least of the matter.

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Read carefully please. I also had a team at the EXACT same time as bill that I formed and led. Bill proved nothing but at that specific time where I had already formed a team, he could do the same. This does not mean that it has not become harder.

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He did so in minutes. How is that "harder?" He also has stated he's been here four years, and hasn't had any more difficulty doing so! You say youv'e been here two, if I remember right. So he's, quite frankly, got more experience doing so and a longer amount of time to judge from - time which overlaps your own.

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Before I could form teams at any given time in my own level range. Even if i am "limiting" myself the point that i cannot find as many people in my level range is still valid.

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BUT HE DID SO! And apparently didn't have to work at it all that hard.
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Go onto Freedom Server atlas park, many different levels there, most of them doing AE farms, that takes awaya substantial part of the population for a undebatable fact. So, basically you either AE farm or you grind for a team.

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Neither is true from what I'm reading, though - And there's the point that you didn't answer my questions. Reposting:

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Define "Your level range." Seriously. EXACTLY your level? Since you kind of implied it when you made the challenge. You sounded like you wanted a team ONLY of 22s - which is YOU limiting yourself. There's someone else counter-searching within minutes of you saying you couldn't find anyone who reported somethign very different.

Where did you search? What did you put in FOR a search? I'll make a character on Freedom if I don't have one sitting there, and do exactly what you say for a search (I won't make a team, since you're not talking making a team, just "There were this many people.") I want to know how you're searching and what EXACTLY you're looking for and accepting when making a team.


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Someone else needs to explain this because obviously I cannot dumb it down enough.

Topic of this thread: What has happened to this game? (Freedom Server Specifically)

PVP has diminished:

My experiences:
Siren's Call used to be a very competitive zone where there were numerous heroes and villains day to day, now I tend to see a barrage of heroes sprinkled with a few stalkers playing hide and seek.

It is harder to find a team:

My experiences:
Frequently I attempt to start a team, it seems that most people are only interested in AE farms however when I do form a team, we do fine sometimes. Though often i have to settle for people that do not know how to function with their toon. Four months ago, this was not the case. Steel Canyon was booming and Atlas Park always had multiple sewer teams of 8. STFs and Respec Tfs were a daily occurrence in the higher level zones. This is no longer the case. Since i14 I have been on a number of teams, some good, some bad. Teams still exist, they are still able to be found. However, I have noticed and have heard others saying, it is tougher to find a team, I just simply put a specific time frame on it since I have been gone for 4 months.

Also if you are never on Freedom server, don't even comment because you have no experiences to back up anything you say.

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If you come to the forums looking to be insulted, you will be insulted

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And who exactly are YOU to determine whether or not someone *needs* insulting, "Mr. All-knowing SUBJECTIVE Opinion?"

Oh, wait.... Was that an insult?

My bad.

"The One"

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Apparently whenever I post I am looking to be insulted according to these dudes. They should know that if I were looking to be insulted i'd say..."This game sucks and anyone that plays it is probably a cootie head."

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I really think most everyone who continually posted in this thread to be a waste of time.

There was no reason for this thread to go on as long as it did, as far as I am concerned you all are part of this forum's issues.

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It's fun :/

Bad maybe if we continue to post away at this thread we will become forum cartel and they will agree with us by default XD and everything they have said before will be wrong thus causing a paradox thus destroying the forum cartel's evil villain base and the new guys and gals can take over.
*jokes*

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Once again, Bill simply proved that his lvl 25 toon could put a team together at that specific time ,

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To be clear, on the fly, within minutes of you challenging him to.

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Bill - "I can make a team at any point," 2:29 PM
You - "So do it, right now, redside." 2:39 PM.
Bill - 2:54 PM, "I have a team." No mention of when he logged on to Freedom, but mentions 3 minutes and waiting for replies.
You, at 2:59 saying "I see the same people," even though he never mentioned names of who he was teaming with. Sounds kind of dishonest.
Bill, 3:15, added two people, one dropped.

You, 3:18, saying something about "people leave and join all the time," which kind of contradicts your own "It's harder to make a team." You also made some sort of comment assuming a "lil" something was on his team, which he later said was not. He did, in fact, provide a screenshot of the team list.
You did, however, say he did the exact same thing as you - given his results, he's getting a markedly different experience from you.

4:06, he mentions logging off finally. So, for an hour and a half, he had a team, and kept it going. Doing, by YOUR OWN ADMISSION, "the exact same thing."

He posted this:
Do you require everyone to be the exact same level?
Do you require an 8 person team?
Do you require one of each AT, or any specific ATs/powersets?
What is so much more difficult for you when it comes to forming teams? This is not "snark," this is an honest question. What are you doing, looking for, or expecting when you form teams that's making this "more difficult?"

at which time you said "most of the people" were ignored.


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I had the option before to send tells to many many people in my level range, today there were about 10 ppl total in the entire /search...if that isnt evidence i dont know what is.

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Define "Your level range." Seriously. EXACTLY your level? Since you kind of implied it when you made the challenge. You sounded like you wanted a team ONLY of 22s - which is YOU limiting yourself. There's someone else counter-searching within minutes of you saying you couldn't find anyone who reported somethign very different.

Where did you search? What did you put in FOR a search? I'll make a character on Freedom if I don't have one sitting there, and do exactly what you say for a search (I won't make a team, since you're not talking making a team, just "There were this many people.") I want to know how you're searching and what EXACTLY you're looking for and accepting when making a team.

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Read carefully please. I also had a team at the EXACT same time as bill that I formed and led. Bill proved nothing but at that specific time where I had already formed a team, he could do the same. This does not mean that it has not become harder. Before I could form teams at any given time in my own level range. Even if i am "limiting" myself the point that i cannot find as many people in my level range is still valid.

Go onto Freedom Server atlas park, many different levels there, most of them doing AE farms, that takes awaya substantial part of the population for a undebatable fact. So, basically you either AE farm or you grind for a team.

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Maybe this will do it then:

You made a statement.

You were given contradictory evidence, directly from the game.

Your response was to call that person a liar, both times, the second time putting them on ignore instead of answering perfectly reasonable questions about your prerequisites for a team.

Your reaction and behavior in this thread leave me, frankly, with no respect for you, and I doubt I'd WANT to team with you if I ran across you.

Now, since you did bring up PVP -

Yes, it changed massively in I13. Some people didn't want to adapt. Some people did, and didn't like it. Others tried it, and did. It is a massive change, yes. Some people say it was too much change at once, that it should have trickled in a bit at a time. I know suppression doesn't bother me, and for damage I can last a bit longer in a fight when I find one. I like that my holds will hit, that there's resistance instead of defense so at least I can DO something.

But the PVP population pretty much everywhere BUT test and freedom has never been all that big, from what I've seen. I've gone in since I registered, well before I13, and have shot up Shivans and helped battles for hotspots for hours on some servers without being bothered, and sometimes even had others come in from the other side, see me, say hi and not bother me. If you're seeing a drop there on freedom, well, several PVPers got pissed off in I13. Some left, some just stopped PVPing, some spend their time just badmouthing the game. A few stuck around. Every other server, there's just not much difference.

So, no, I'm not going to argue about what you see in PVP zones on Freedom. Everywhere else, they're usually dead anyway, and it's hard to lose members (or notice their loss) from a group that might as well not exist for how visible they were.

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Once again, Bill simply proved that his lvl 25 toon could put a team together at that specific time , with toons at least 2 lvls lower than him, better xp for them, which does not prove that it is not harder to form a team because I had the exact opposite experience just yesterday. However, today I was able to find a team. You proved nothing there. It is still harder for me to form a team than it once was, I had the option before to send tells to many many people in my level range, today there were about 10 ppl total in the entire /search...if that isnt evidence i dont know what is.

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I wonder if I'm ignored for that comment about player notes or the mini fridge...

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Considering the other names on the list, LISAR, it seems that anyone that disagrees with Ares, and back up their point of view with any sort of intelligence, is on the list.

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If you can show me 1 person that came up with something intelligent go ahead. They all told me what I already know. It is possible to find a team, it just takes a bit more effort which for me proves my point. "It is harder to find a team these days." You all keep responding to this thread and yet will not comment on this fact or the fact that PvP has diminished which is what this post is about. Ignore idiot drones that just keep agreeing with their fellow idiot drones because they have no mind of their own.

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But it is okay to take such a tone when responding to my aforementioned post? Of course I become defensive. If you all will simply read this thread you will find a clear and concise explanation of what this thread is about. The irony is that you say we claim that their own experiences are lies when in all actuality in order to completely disagree, with me here keyword being completely, you would have to be doing the same. I have experienced NOT being able to find a team at all. I am not lazy, i am not a noob, i form teams all the time and join them by sending specific tells to people in my level range. That simple. Therefore, I know for a fact that FOR ME it and many others that I have spoken to in game on freedom server have had difficulty finding teams. Sure there is still a hefty supply of PvP on Freedom but it has for FACT diminished and seems to me like it is continuing to do so. Reactivation week in Siren's Call was about whereit should be. Why can't you understand this? This topic was simply that I have found that the population of Freedom Server is scrambled all over zones thus making teams harder to find since many of them ONLY want AE farms, though it is not impossible to find a team.

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First, I been afk damage farming for born in battle (i pvp alot and never have a hard time finding action and i am a freedom native) i have 10 tells in the past hour with no LFT flag up, no description of what i am in my search comment.

You are just doing it wrong, and God doesn't love you.



Lazy ignorant people think they NEED stamina

Lazy people just pick up stamina even though they KNOW its not needed, cuz they rather do an easy build than one that needs a bit of forethought

im a lazy person, i have 30 50s all with stamina, i could easily with IOs and Accolades make staminaless builds and be highly functional but that would require time and effort

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I felt no need to respond until I read your signature. Castle really is ignoring you? lmao

<--Mids all of his builds.

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So... You read Bill's post, then dismissed it out of hand and went on with the discussion as if his post had no meaning or worth?

Tactful. Fail.

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If you mean me, Bill has been ignored since before his last post, thank god.

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What, can't handle being shown you're wrong? You, sir, are the DEFINITION of fail.

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So, just logged off. Ran almost all of Darrin Wade's arc, with a team varying in size from 3-5 people, 22-25. All of which would fit perfectly fine on any "level 22" team. Took less effort than it has to write this post. Three people, including me, levelled.

I don't see the difficulty. It sure wasn't "tough" in the slightest. It wasn't "tougher" than it has been, certainly. If you look at my reg date, I started about a week earlier than that, and have been here since. I've made my share of teams in that time to compare this to. (And congrats, this is one of the few times I refer to or give a rat's rear about my reg date, because at least in this case, it's relevant.)

So again - I don't know what your difficulty is, unless you're putting such extreme restrictions on yourself that you'll, frankly, never be satisfied.

Do you require everyone to be the exact same level?
Do you require an 8 person team?
Do you require one of each AT, or any specific ATs/powersets?
What is so much more difficult for you when it comes to forming teams? This is not "snark," this is an honest question. What are you doing, looking for, or expecting when you form teams that's making this "more difficult?" To use your own words:

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Also, gj, you did the same exact thing as me.


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Yes, I did. And I got a team. And kept a team going throughout the majority of a mission arc, and it was certainly not difficult.

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Hmmm, he can make a team in minutes and keep it going.

You whine it's "difficult."

I think I see where the problem is... it's called ArestheImpaler.

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PROVED WRONG?!!! Are you [censored] kidding me?!! How can anyone possibly prove me wrong about my own experiences? I have heard numerous people saying it is hard to find a team and keep one together, also the pvp pop has obviously gone south! Prove me wrong on either of these. in order to prove me wrong on the first thing you need to go into my memory and tell me that i never had experiences when a team was simply not available...You people just agree with each other regardless of how idiotic it is...apparently that is the society we all live in.

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You:
"It's more difficult to put a team together, blah blah blah."
Bill:
"No, it isn't."
You:
"Fine. Log on and put one together right now."
Bill does so in minutes, and keeps a team going for a story arc.
You: "I'm putting him on ignore! La la la! Thank god I don't have to see his post showing how easy it is still!"

He did precisely *what* you said, *where* you said and *when* you said, and it certainly didn't sound difficult in the least. He's also mentioned having years of doing such to compare the difficulty to.

This leads to one of three conclusions:
1. You are wrong, and don't want to admit it,
2. You aren't putting the same amount of effort into it, or have such strict standards (as he mentioned) they'll never be met, or
3. Judging by how you're acting here, so many people have you on ignore that they never see your team requests.

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LOL!!! You obviously didn't read it well enough. I said I was already on a team. It was just tougher to find a team than it used to be, compare and contrast. Also note that Bill's toon was lvl 25 and what lvl 22 wouldnt jump on that team? Besides, Bill is gonna say whatever the hell comes to his mind like the rest of you dudes. Credible? I think not. I am not talking about every moment of every single day, I am talking about SOMETIMES!!! but overall, it is harder to find a team than it was 4 months ago on the Freedom Server, if you do not play freedom server often, just shut up. Epic Fail on your part my friend.

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And yet he hopped on and made a team from scratch.

Bill, did you advertise what level you were?

And for essentially saying he's lying - when, frankly, I've never seen reason to believe such - well, your loss.

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Once again this refers to 'sometimes' meaning not always, meaning that there are points where you are able to start a team from scratch just as I did IMMEDIATELY before Bill. Refer to sometimes in the dictionary, also refer to the word overall, then get back to me. Besides even if sometimes meant all the time and overall meant completely that only addresses half the topic. PVP and PvE

Believe me BI I am right with you, they think numbers matter? That is what the ignore button is for. They are obviously jsut reading what they want to read. But hell, i am having more fun here than i am in the game right now.

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So... You read Bill's post, then dismissed it out of hand and went on with the discussion as if his post had no meaning or worth?

Tactful. Fail.

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If you mean me, Bill has been ignored since before his last post, thank god.

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What, can't handle being shown you're wrong? You, sir, are the DEFINITION of fail.

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So, just logged off. Ran almost all of Darrin Wade's arc, with a team varying in size from 3-5 people, 22-25. All of which would fit perfectly fine on any "level 22" team. Took less effort than it has to write this post. Three people, including me, levelled.

I don't see the difficulty. It sure wasn't "tough" in the slightest. It wasn't "tougher" than it has been, certainly. If you look at my reg date, I started about a week earlier than that, and have been here since. I've made my share of teams in that time to compare this to. (And congrats, this is one of the few times I refer to or give a rat's rear about my reg date, because at least in this case, it's relevant.)

So again - I don't know what your difficulty is, unless you're putting such extreme restrictions on yourself that you'll, frankly, never be satisfied.

Do you require everyone to be the exact same level?
Do you require an 8 person team?
Do you require one of each AT, or any specific ATs/powersets?
What is so much more difficult for you when it comes to forming teams? This is not "snark," this is an honest question. What are you doing, looking for, or expecting when you form teams that's making this "more difficult?" To use your own words:

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Also, gj, you did the same exact thing as me.


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Yes, I did. And I got a team. And kept a team going throughout the majority of a mission arc, and it was certainly not difficult.

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Hmmm, he can make a team in minutes and keep it going.

You whine it's "difficult."

I think I see where the problem is... it's called ArestheImpaler.

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PROVED WRONG?!!! Are you [censored] kidding me?!! How can anyone possibly prove me wrong about my own experiences? I have heard numerous people saying it is hard to find a team and keep one together, also the pvp pop has obviously gone south! Prove me wrong on either of these. in order to prove me wrong on the first thing you need to go into my memory and tell me that i never had experiences when a team was simply not available...You people just agree with each other regardless of how idiotic it is...apparently that is the society we all live in.

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You:
"It's more difficult to put a team together, blah blah blah."
Bill:
"No, it isn't."
You:
"Fine. Log on and put one together right now."
Bill does so in minutes, and keeps a team going for a story arc.
You: "I'm putting him on ignore! La la la! Thank god I don't have to see his post showing how easy it is still!"

He did precisely *what* you said, *where* you said and *when* you said, and it certainly didn't sound difficult in the least. He's also mentioned having years of doing such to compare the difficulty to.

This leads to one of three conclusions:
1. You are wrong, and don't want to admit it,
2. You aren't putting the same amount of effort into it, or have such strict standards (as he mentioned) they'll never be met, or
3. Judging by how you're acting here, so many people have you on ignore that they never see your team requests.

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LOL!!! You obviously didn't read it well enough. I said I was already on a team. It was just tougher to find a team than it used to be, compare and contrast. Also note that Bill's toon was lvl 25 and what lvl 22 wouldnt jump on that team? Besides, Bill is gonna say whatever the hell comes to his mind like the rest of you dudes. Credible? I think not. I am not talking about every moment of every single day, I am talking about SOMETIMES!!! but overall, it is harder to find a team than it was 4 months ago on the Freedom Server, if you do not play freedom server often, just shut up. Epic Fail on your part my friend.

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So... You read Bill's post, then dismissed it out of hand and went on with the discussion as if his post had no meaning or worth?

Tactful. Fail.

-Rachel-

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If you mean me, Bill has been ignored since before his last post, thank god.

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What, can't handle being shown you're wrong? You, sir, are the DEFINITION of fail.

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So, just logged off. Ran almost all of Darrin Wade's arc, with a team varying in size from 3-5 people, 22-25. All of which would fit perfectly fine on any "level 22" team. Took less effort than it has to write this post. Three people, including me, levelled.

I don't see the difficulty. It sure wasn't "tough" in the slightest. It wasn't "tougher" than it has been, certainly. If you look at my reg date, I started about a week earlier than that, and have been here since. I've made my share of teams in that time to compare this to. (And congrats, this is one of the few times I refer to or give a rat's rear about my reg date, because at least in this case, it's relevant.)

So again - I don't know what your difficulty is, unless you're putting such extreme restrictions on yourself that you'll, frankly, never be satisfied.

Do you require everyone to be the exact same level?
Do you require an 8 person team?
Do you require one of each AT, or any specific ATs/powersets?
What is so much more difficult for you when it comes to forming teams? This is not "snark," this is an honest question. What are you doing, looking for, or expecting when you form teams that's making this "more difficult?" To use your own words:

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Also, gj, you did the same exact thing as me.


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Yes, I did. And I got a team. And kept a team going throughout the majority of a mission arc, and it was certainly not difficult.

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Hmmm, he can make a team in minutes and keep it going.

You whine it's "difficult."

I think I see where the problem is... it's called ArestheImpaler.

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PROVED WRONG?!!! Are you [censored] kidding me?!! How can anyone possibly prove me wrong about my own experiences? I have heard numerous people saying it is hard to find a team and keep one together, also the pvp pop has obviously gone south! Prove me wrong on either of these. in order to prove me wrong on the first thing you need to go into my memory and tell me that i never had experiences when a team was simply not available...You people just agree with each other regardless of how idiotic it is...apparently that is the society we all live in.

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So... You read Bill's post, then dismissed it out of hand and went on with the discussion as if his post had no meaning or worth?

Tactful. Fail.

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If you mean me, Bill has been ignored since before his last post, thank god.

Okay, now that I have ignored most of the people that are not referring to the topic, maybe I can make some sense of this. So back to the topic. I have noticed that it is harder to find a team compared to 4 months ago, and pvp has gone down.Why is that?

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Most intelligent thing any of you have said all day. At least here I understand your logic.

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Also, the stamina thing was merely a suggestion that could not possibly hurt anyone, if anything it would just give players like myself that enjoy using lots and lots of endo to kill stuff and surviv, customize our builds a little better.

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I disagree that it could not possibly hurt anyone, as it would unbalance many things. The game is balanced around not needing Stamina, however it has because a staple because of many reasons, not the least of which is that it is good, really good, to have.

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Also, brushing off PvP as the minority is counterproductive.

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I did not "brush off" PvP as a minority. It IS a minority. That's factual in that the majority of players do not participate in it. This has been acknowledged by the Developers, and they are working on correcting that by making PvP easier to engage in for the average player, something I applaud them for their intent, if not product.

Finally, trying to dictate what posts may, or may not, be placed in a forum, or their contents, is a battle that's lost to all but a few (those few being those with Moderation powers). If you wish to have a discussion, on any topic, you must accept that people will post what they wish, just as you may.

(You may notice that I specifically avoided both of your "points of this topic", because I do not find your anecdotal evidence regarding the difficulty of finding a team over time to be compelling, nor does the current population of PvP concern me.)

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that last post was not specific to you at all, but the general pop of people that commented on this thread. I also commended the Devs for attempting to make PvP more "enjoyable" while at the same time causing the general PvP population to discontinue PvP. If you are not going to reply to the thread topic, do not reply at all. Thanks for again wasting my time.

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Yes to which parts? All of it? Just the last sentence in which I establish that "a PvP build focusing on dueling is above the normal requirements of PvE play, the play that the majority of the game is balanced around"?

And if it's "just a suggestion", is it one you "just threw out there", or one you want because you believe it would make the game better for everyone?

I'm trying to communicate here so we can establish a dialog that is constructive to your cause, so you can explain the whys and whats at the core of your suggestion. You're not being very accommodating to that cause. You can give a 10 line response to a perceived insult, but can't spare more then 9 words to me?

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This post is simply to address what I feel has become of this game. Prior to my break from this game four months ago, this place was booming and it was very noticeable. I could find large teams all day every day. Now that is not the case. I have to settle for smaller teams and I have to settle for less effective teams. This can be seen when I am trying to form a normal paper mish team red side or a TF such as the STF or Respec blue side which has been the hardest thing to do these days (STF that is) where before I could do it out of the air. Also, the stamina thing was merely a suggestion that could not possibly hurt anyone, if anything it would just give players like myself that enjoy using lots and lots of endo to kill stuff and surviv, customize our builds a little better. Also, brushing off PvP as the minority is counterproductive. The devs have done well in my opinion with helping PvPers lately, however not everyone agrees with this and a swarm of people quit and threaten to quit everyday in the pvp zones due to i13 pvp changes.

Point of this topic, it is tougher for me to find teams, the pvp population has diminished. Anyone that cannot comment on those two statements need not comment at all.

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Obviously his team isnt lvl 22 on the count of I see the same ppl in my /search and they are either A already on team or B not lft

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Let's see. One 22 that just levelled. Me, 25, who started the team (closest to 22 I had.) Another 23. And just snagged another 23 brute.

All people who would have worked on a team "around 22."

Edit: And just snagged a mastermind.

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Brute u snagged could be from the team I just left to go pvp after about 3 fair missions. Also, gj, you did the same exact thing as me. Also, if one of your tms is "lil" something, asked here to join, she said no thank you. Sure more people sign on and off as time passes, doesnt prove anything my friend. Once again, didnt say it was impossible, said it was tougher, freedom used to be full of people lft all day every day, however when I zone in there tends to be a silence. then a few ppl lf ae teams/farms

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Then to reach your personally required level of optimization (for your PvP duels), you need Stamina, because the other options (slotting End Red, getting sets that give +Rec, using Rest) aren't available to you (or if they are, not enough to warrant mentioning). Right?

This desire to have a PvP build does not require the game be altered to give more endurance out, does it? After all, I feel we can agree that a PvP build focusing on dueling is above the normal requirements of PvE play, the play that the majority of the game is balanced around. Can we agree on that, at least?

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Yes we can. All the same, just a suggestion.