William_Valence

I'm completely ok with static weapons in the holster. I'm a big fan of the officer belt, but we need something a bit more Tacti-cool and a bit less official in my opinion. If we get dynamic holsters later that's gravy, but it'd be a shame hold off on holsters all together, because they can't be dynamic.

Coloring doesn't have to be symmetrical does it? Meaning, is a 50/50 body pattern possible, as the split is symmetrical, but each half gets a different color?

Could we at least get the Carnival sash ported to Male/Huge? It's incredibly close to the Kheld sash, and would be a great filler piece. Better than the Martial art's belt I'm using now

Huh, I always thought they were talking about the police by the Mounty-looking detective, just outside the zone transition.

Theres a really good example for the lost and it kind of made me double take when I first saw it.

In Fautline there are some lost that will sometimes stand around looking at a group of friendly PPD, and one says something to the effect:

"One good spray of gunfire and we'd take out half the police force"

That's the kind of stuff that makes a group look nasty.

This -is- an important question. I think it's mostly along the lines of the different types of Vigilante.

Batman Vs. Punisher type deal. They're both Vigilantes, but there's no arguing that one is more traditionaly heroic.

Superman's a hero, but he'll X-Ray vision someone without a warrant.

However, there's a difference between a hero, being portrayed as a hero, that bends the rules every now and then and someone else, being described as a hero, who's primary portrayal is violations of law and huge ethical breaches.

It's a bit of a dilemma, they're done well, by being seen almost exclusively by villains, but that means heroes get little interaction with them. I'd like to see more done with them, but how often can you do the kind of portrayal we see in Roy Cooling's before they suffer from overexposure and become another Longbow type group. Or as you might say "Get Maltaed"

Nerva, not Cap. Some Russian chick, it's been a while since I've done the 1-30 legacy redside so I can't be a bit more specific.

Basically, she makes the same comparison of Longbow and Wyvern that I did for PPD vs Longbow. My problem with this, is that Longbow's pressence in the Rogue Isles defies this portrayal. Something that PPD doesn't suffer from. Except for Blue Steel, but Blue Steel doesn't violate foreign sovereignty with aggressive attacks; foreign countries invite him to participate in surprise exhibition matches against their armies.

And it could very well be perspective shaped by our different starting points. I started Redside, and didn't play Blueside for a couple of years. I'm not too terribly up on the legacy blueside, so I don't know if they're portrayed that differently, but heavy redside play has shaped the opinion PPD->hero Longbow->Vigilante Wyvern->Villain/Vigilante (Depending on individual storylines).

Yay for lists!

While you're making list's, could you make a small list with some of the ideas that are hitting the technical snafu?

That way we have a better idea as to what's a feasable suggestion!



FPARN!

I'll agree with you on this, but I don't think Longbow is the group that fits, or -ever- was.

Paragon Police are the ones I'd put here. Blue Steel may have his issues, but he's not in charge. They work within the laws and despite their lack of powers remain a true force to be reckoned with all through the game.

Leveling up Redside, especially before inventions, there was one thing that was painfully obvious. Longbow are Vigilantes, people who are willing to violate the law, because they feel they are above it. If it weren't for Arachnos's mediporters, they'd have flamethrowered numerous villains to death.

PPD, they were the heroes. When you attack Paragon city proper, they're the ones defending the city, whereas Longbow are just trying to take you out. PPD are a group that operate within the law, despite the disadvantages it brings.

And their biggest display of corruption is a group splitting off to force a corporation into giving mediporters to the general population. Which is also, I believe, the only example of a blueside group policing their own. (Freaking awesome mission "Just put... your weapons... down!")

Basically, PPD are awesome and Longbow can ferry me around, but should stay out of the way.

Not really, but I can see why you'd think that. The easiest way to tell, is that the Tactical Pistol has no hammer, ironsights, beaver-tail (At least I don't think so, it's smaller than the Auto pistol, so if it does it's in the hand), and is smaller than the Auto with a different texture.

To get an Idea what the difference between the two would be, compare a MRI Desert Eagle to a Beretta Px4.

Then make them Low-rez so you have to squint to tell them apart

What I see as the issue with DR and the PPM mechanic is this.

With the PPM mechanic, slotted recharge is used to come up with a cycle time that can be used to normalize the percentage chance to proc. Global recharge that's added after that isn't supposed to effect the proc rate.

This doesn't really happen in PvP because of DR. Take my Necro for example. Gloom, in PvP, has 90% slotted recharge and 100% global recharge for 190% global recharge. The 90% should effect the proc rate, while the 100% shouldn't. However that gets DRed to 135.81%. The equation for calculating proc rate doesn't see this change, and still uses 90% which makes my effective global recharge (with regard to gloom) 45.81%. When I should be getting 100% recharge not counted, I'm only getting 45.81% not counted.

Possible solution:

Calculate the recharge, to be used in determining the cycle time, a bit differently. Basically, take the slotted recharge plus the global recharge (Modified by DR if applicable) minus Global recharge. With a floor of 0% recharge.

What does this do?

1. Players still get the benefit of not counting global recharge buffs for the proc rate. They could even get, with enough buffs, better proc rates than if they were in PvE.

2. Keeps the proc rate the exact same for PvE. This change doesn't effect PvE as there is no DR. The Global recharge buffs would be added to the recharge, then subtracted immediately, leaving the slotted recharge. This is a PvP change only.

3. An interesting side-effect is, with this change, more recharge may not improve the player being buffed's effective attack rate, as most player's recharge is fairly well self contained, but more recharge could buff the proc rate of procs in the power. This would help reduce the loss of need for recharge buffs found in set's like Kinetics and Time manipluation due to IO global recharge being a PvP standard.

Current equation for ST attacks is

PPM * (((Base recharge / (1 + slotted recharge buffs)) + Activation time) / 60 )

Slotted recharge buffs are from enhancements and alpha powers, and do not include global buffs.

Activation time is the displayed activation time, not the arcanatime activation time.

Trying to remember what the rates were, without the builds in front of me, you should see about 22%-24% in the first T1/T2 powers, and 57ish% in Blaze.

I don't quite get the chain though.

Going by a Fire/Devices build you posted on the PvP forum, the best chain would be Blaze/Flares/Fire Blast. It's quite likely I'm missing something with DR, though, that caused that mistake.

They are two different things, but no that's not what you were saying. If that's what you wanted to say, fair enough, but even that's incorrect.

If I say the change is because the design intent of PPM procs meant they should not be better than standard procs, yet that cannot actually happen so one needs to be removed, and Synapse says you hit the nail on the head, I don't know how you can say I jumped to any conclusion.

I say "I'm guessing this design intent is the cause for the change" and Synapse confirms, there's no "jumping to the conclusion I like".

Then when I point that out, you use the age old "If you believe that then I have an x to sell you" line?

You either believe Synapse was lying when he said my assumption was correct, and are backtracking because I called you out on it, or you need to take remedial communications classes, so you know how to say what you actually mean.

Ah well, if you think Synapse is an outright liar you've got a completely different set of issues than this change.

Synapse needs to update the OP. It's only slotted recharge + Alpha recharge that affects proc rate now. Global bonuses are not considered in the proc rate.

*Sigh*

Me:

Synapse responding to that post of mine:

Because Pay to win isn't the intent, no matter how much people scream it.

They wanted a type of proc that was effective, regardless of the cycle time of the power it's put into. There it was intended for the procs (PPM and flat %) to be roughly equal in performance, but when it was obvious that wasn't going to happen, they had to drop one of them.

Because the PPM mechanic was specifically intended to be comprable in performance to the flat %, they couldn't both exist if that wasn't the case. PPM is more fair to more powers and appears to have fewer balance idiosyncrasies, so the flat % procs get the boot.

Thing is, this wasn't an entirely altruistic endevor.

Just about every Fire blast build I've seen, for PvP, would lose between 3%-10% in combined proc rates between Flares and Fire Blast. They'd gain in the area of 20% proc rate for Blaze.

That appears to be a net-positive to me.

Go ahead and post your mids data chunk for me. I already did an example at the most extreme example of recharge, let's see how a real PvP build will be effected.

I wasn't sure if the ATOs will see an increase at all, and I'd seen an unchallenged mention of the increased Purple PPM value. If it stays the same, that'd be the rate, if it went up it'd likely be to match other purple procs.

That is a good question though. Would ATO procs be increased 20%-25% as has been mentioned for other procs, would they stay the same, or would they be more likely to get the same proc rate as others of the type?

That might be true, but there's the issue of the apparent design intent of the PPM mechanic. Attempting to normalize proc rates for cycle times means there may need to be an allowance for the 100% rate, especially in cases that cannot cycle fast enough to fire the proc the intended number of times. If a proc is normalized around the idea it will fire 6 times a minute, there are certain powers that will never reach that 6 times per minute due to cycle time restrictions and others that could hit the intended rate, but only with a 100% rate.

Limiting the proc rate to 90%-95% of a number that's either the exact number of expected PPMs, or already less than the intended number of PPMs is something I'm not too keen on.

That gets to my argument of two mutually exclusive design intents, cannot be 100% vs normalized around a specified rate of fires per minute. With one of the design intents needing to go, I'm asking for the 'has to be random always' design to be scrapped in favor of the normalization PPM design.

So heroes should help capture the Longbow that established Military instilations and taken military action in a sovergn nation, without treaty or Decleration of war?

Got it! Proposed War Witch TF; shut down all rogue Longbow instilations and activities in the Etoile Islands, culminating in the sacking of the Nerva instillation and arrest of the Vindicators!

I was using a 5.625PPM proc rate mentioned earlier in the thread. If that's incorrect, then whoops. 5.625 being what the proc rate would be with the same 25% PPM increase that was mentioned for other procs.

And lord only knows if someone would do that slotting, but I just wanted to show, at it's absolute most penalized, that it's still a decent proc rate.

Unless I'm stupid:

1PPM- 54s enhanced cycle time

2PPM- 27s enhanced cycle time

3PPM- 18s enhanced cycle time

3.5PPM- 15.46s enhanced cycle time

3.75PPM- 14.4s enhanced cycle time

4PPM- 13.5s enhanced cycle time

4.5PPM- 12s enhanced cycle time

5PPM- 10.8s enhanced cycle time

5.625PPM- 9.6s enhanced cycle time

6PPM- 9s enhanced cycle time

6.5PPM- 8.3s enhanced cycle time

7PPM- 7.71s enhanced cycle time