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I'll grant you the free (you get 1 token a month free), but the developers have not said that the tier 9 VIP rewards do not cost reward tokens.

http://www.ustream.tv/recorded/16130308 time index 31:00

I know I will.

That I would highly doubt. Black Pebble and Zwillinger said the Celestial set would be exclusive for VIPs.

Paragon Points are NOT Paragon Reward Tokens. However if you buy 1,200 Paragon Points, you get 1 Paragon Reward Token. You will get 400 Paragon Points each month you subscribe, but those do not count towards the 1,200 purchased Paragon Points.

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http://www.cityofheroes.com/news/freedom/freedom_faq.html
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Yet you seem to insist calling the developers liars. The developers are probably even more aware than you think

http://www.ustream.tv/recorded/16130308 Time index 21:50-24:30 on. They are talking about never stopping badges from being earned, do you honestly think they'd do less for costumes?

So basically you are saying that the developer aren't to be trusted...

The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over expecting a different result. The rednames have consistently stated that [edit] they are aware of players not wanting "one shot" rewards of any stripe.[/edit]

Hardly. Given that the Celestial set has likely been in development for a long time, I expect that it would have been the 96 month Vet Reward, had they kept the system going.

It was presented in that way so that people could match it with this picture:


I've said so multiple times in this thread.

Positron said in the ustream chat that any rewards earned are coming out of the reward tokens first.

My assumption is per character, just like the current vet rewards. I'm also assuming that they will be non-tradable, and be bound per character.

Like I said, when I initially posted it, I didn't realize I had cut the last column off.

You might have the 57 month vet badge by the time Issue 21 rolls out. After that, you will get 1 reward token for each month subscribed. You will also get 1 extra token at your 60th month subscribed. At any rate you'll likely have to get 3 reward tokens to get to the next level (tier 8).

When I believe what I say I believe. In my opinion, based on past actions from the developers, they very likely would have added more costumes to the Vet Reward System had they kept it intact.

I'm fully aware of that. I'm also fully aware that the developers have stated they will not remove anything from being earned. I fully expect that if the Celestial costume set goes *poof* from the Tier 9 VIP, that there will be other ways to earn it or they will return (often) for future players to get. Thinking anything else is just needless panic.

Believe what you will, but in the past, the developers did exactly that: added Costumes to the Vet Reward System. 42 Months, 51 Months. We were actually overdue for new costumes in the Vet Reward System.

I have two accounts. On one account I will have the 78 month veteran reward badge in August. On my second account, I have zero vet rewards. On that second account I'll only have the tier 2 reward (trenchcoat), because it will be a premium account.

As to my stance on the system, I felt the same way long ago:
The thing is that if people want to burn money, they CAN have it now with this new system.

What is your highest Vet Reward badge? I'm guessing the 57 month badge.

Yes, or 1 month's subscription post Issue 21 launch gets 1 reward token. Additionally you get 1 extra Reward Token each year that you subscribe (like the 2 extra character slots you have received with the old Vet Rewards Program). I don't know if they are still going to give you 2 character slots per year subscribed though.

As described, yes, you got it right.

I believe the answers are "yes", and "yes".

Now you don't have to wait for the 84+ month mark to get the costumes. Problem solved. The choices are simple: learn to be patient or fork over a lot of money. The same thing happened with the old Veteran Reward System, and the arguments you are making failed to impress anyone then. You'll get less sympathy now that the reward time is much shorter.

Nope, you got both got it right.

Actually the (((highest vet badge)/3)/4) is the year token portion of the formula. As others have pointed out, that is the same as (((highest vet badge)/12).

Personally, I'd just ditch Positron's formula. It is messing too many people up. See this:

Count your Vet Badges. Then add 1 for every year you have subscribed (1 for every 4 vet badges). That is your total.

If you don't want to go to that hassle:
Find your highest vet reward badge in the above table. That will tell you what tier you are on when Freedom launches. It won't tell you what slot (as you can generally pick which reward from the tier), but it will tell you what tier you are on.

If Freedom launched August 1st, you would have 23 Reward Tokens. (19 Vet Badges + 4 Years). You would be in tier 7.

If Freedom launched August 1st, you would have 17 Reward Tokens. (14 Vet Badges + 3 Years). You would be in tier 6.

You are incorrect in your understanding.

Actually there is a far easier method: Count your Veteran Reward Badges. Done that? Good. Now add one token for every 4 Veteran Reward Badges you have. That is your total.

Again, incorrect. The previously awarded Veteran Rewards are automatically selected for you out of those tokens.

A new subscriber with issue 21 will see something like this:

See all the empty slots? Good.

A current subscriber (42 Months), at the time freedom has launched, will see something like this:


A 84 month subscriber, either 3 months into Freedom or with the purchase of 3,600 Paragon Points (or some combination of the two) will see this:


What are in those slots? Something like this:

Some questions are better left unasked...

Avatar generally means "Character". So, going by that F2P (not Premium, as they start at Tier 2) players are limited to only Female and Male character builds.

Speaking of which I know someone looking for a level 50 (or greater) cone/range TO.

I'm personally of the belief that the only stupid question is the one unasked. Please don't think of yourself that way.

You will only lose things if you go premium. You will be somewhere in tier 8 of the rewards program. You'll be losing out on the Incarnate System, Epic Archetypes, Special VIP stuff (free transfers, extra Paragon Points),and whatever rewards you haven't claimed by dropping to premium.

Why speculate? That is exactly how it was described in the ustream chat.

http://www.ustream.tv/recorded/16130308

At the 31 minute timestamp.

Actually I was refering to this point:
You went off on a rant, with absolutely no basis for it other than reading into the graphic, and came up with a conclusion that is so off the mark that it might as well not be on the same planet.

However, the Celestial Set, according to Black Pebble in the video I linked to, said that it is a FULL set. Including weapon customizations.

And they are still addressing those issues. Then again, they have to allocate the time from somewhere.

Everything in the new rewards program will likely arrive via certificates and vouchers. It should make claiming everything more streamlined instead of the cludgy way the Veteran Rewards are currently claimed. As to the order in the powers window, that is a separate issue, and belongs in the Suggestions Section.

All I have to say is watch the ustream videos. They answer a lot of your worries.

Yes, explained a few weeks ago. Controllers, Master Minds, HEATs, and VEATs are locked out. Controllers and Master Minds can be unlocked for premium players at the 20-21 month range. HEATs and VEATs are VIP-Only.

Actually the absolute easiest method is to count your Vet Reward badges, then add 1 for every four vet badges. That is the formula. At that point if a person doesn't know how many points they got, they should get a calculator. I have the type of dyslexia that interferes with my math skills and I can do that in my head.

I'm just a messenger here. From the description, it gives you a choice as to what you want in a tier and in what order. I know for a fact that this is pretty much straight from the suggestions forum, so a player suggested it. Not me, but I'm not for/against this setup, except for things I already have but the items were not a part of the vet rewards before.

Because a tier has anywhere between 1 and 7 vet rewards in it. Additionally, each item costs ONE Reward Token. The dev's scale of awesome increases with each tier. They want the desirable rewards at or near the top to make people want to continue to subscribe.

Wrong. 84 Months will unlock tier 9. The tier 9 costumes have an additional requirement that you have to be a subscriber (that is what Tier 9 VIP stands for). Next month I'll get the 78 month Vet Reward. With it I'll be at 6/7 tier 8 rewards unlocked (32 tokens). 2 more tokens (2 months, $30, or 1 month & $15) and I'll have my first tier 9 reward. Seeing I'll be a subscriber till December, I'll be able to claim a tier 9 VIP costume. Once a tier is unlocked, a player can choose anything in that tier, in any order. Anything in that tier will be ONE Reward Token.

Yes, we get to choose.

Sorry, too much rant with too little to back it up. Oh, and check out this link, timestamp 33:00 til the end. Timestamp 34:15 shows it in action, not stills. The stills are also in the first post of this thread.

They have repeatedly said that you will lose nothing with this change. I highly doubt that it will change from all characters to 1 for the entire account.

If you have the 39 month vet reward, you will have 16 Reward Tokens. You only need 4 more tokens to get to tier 7. That is 4 months of being a subscriber (actually with the 42nd month you'd get 2 Tokens, one for the month, one for the year) or a bit of extra stuff purchased at the store. At any rate, if you are a subscriber, you'll get access to the invention system while subscribed. You would only lose access if you stopped subscribing before unlocking tier 7.

I don't have the 84 month badge, and the info wasn't on the main site (and I didn't

http://www.cityofheroes.com/news/fre...s_details.html

Edit:
Devs and Community Reps, please note that the above website is wrong in terms of MERIT REWARDS.

The 60 month Vet Reward has +5 merits and the 72 Month Vet Reward has +6 Merits, for a total of 11 merits prior to Paragon Rewards, not 5 as stated.

Assumed wrong. Positron said in the chat that not everyone will like all the option, but will have to complete a tier to advance to the next tier.

Except you can't "skip" rewards in a tier. You have to complete a lower tier to progress to a higher tier. In other words, you can't skip blazing path aura or seismic path aura.

Yes.

Hmm. That does seem to make one assumption I did seem wrong.

Revised:
Yes, I assumed all points were floored in my calculations above.

Yes, I acknowledge the same citation 3 hours ago: